if any of you guys have read "the loophole," this reminds me of the translations. grammar has never been a strong suit of mine and it's a different approach to what we're learning here. i also could be completely wrong on the point of this section LOL
@JacksonHolt In this case, "milk" is an object, which is part of the predicate. It doesn't directly modify anything, so much as "answer a question" indirectly posed by the verb (either receiving or being affected by the action).
In your example, "the cat like(s) to drink milk," The subject and verb together ("the cat likes to drink") form a complete sentence, but it really only makes sense because we understand "likes to drink" figuratively as "likes to drink alcohol." We may be concerned for the cat's mental health and wellbeing.
Taken literally, "the cat likes to drink" needs to answer a question to get its barebones point across. What does the cat like to drink? Milk.
If you can answer a question about the basic subject-verb phrase in that way with a noun (or noun phrase) in the sentence, it's an object.
@Righteousness I think that in the context of this sentence it is incorrect. Remember that we must consider the sentence as a whole, "The cat brought home" doesn't work because the structure of the sentence is such that "I brought home" is modifying and adding additional information to the subject. I hope this helps.
Cats of which you can adopt from a shelter located directly in the middle of a cul-de-sac or buy directly from a breeder of which whose abilities and-slash-or moral codes are questionable are generally lactose intolerant contrary to popular belief and will probably poop their pants if given any form of dairy including milk, cheese, and yogurt.
The last example, couldn't milk be considered a modifier of to drink? It answers the question what does the cat likes to drink, so couldn't it be broken down to simply be saying "the cat likes to drink."
@JimMcEnulty thats what I thought, but take a look at the "modiefiers in thesubject" video. It has a tree that makes it clear milk is part of the predicate because it is an object modifying the verb.
idk if this will help any of y'all but this is how I sorted it:
The cat that I brought home from the shelter in the middle of the village where a merchant was murdered on the only snowy day last year likes to drink fermented milk from the Swedish cow that we imported from Austria at considerable expense.
Subject noun: the cat
What about the cat: that i brought home
Where did you bring the cat home from? The shelter
Where was the shelter? In the middle of the village
What about the village: where a merchant was murdered
When was the merchant murdered: on the only snowy day last year
Preciate verb: drinks
Object: milk
What kind of milk: fermented milk
Any fermented milk: from the swedish cow
Any swedish cow?: that we imported from austria
Was it cheap or expensive?: at a considerable expense
AFAIK it's because it's a verbal phrase in the infinitive form. English verbs can be complex, so the verb is "likes to (drink)" rather than "likes." As a result, "milk" is the object of the sentence so it's still a basic part of the predicate. https://learnenglishweekly.com/advanced-english/what-is-a-verbal-phrase
@arieladelman322 I had the same question and your response is super helpful! The cat likes drinking milk, as opposed to simply liking milk.
This also makes me realize realize that the fact that the cat likes to drink milk doesn't imply it likes milk, justas the fact that Sue likes to kill mosquitoes doesn't imply that she likes mosquitoes.
@ryanmcamp01 Hi, English degree here. It’s really hard to boil down the English language like they attempt. A short answer is that in the provided sentence the predicate contains has a verb + noun that receives the action of the verb. So our core sentence needs both to keep the meaning. If the object and its modifier (fermented milk) were removed then it would be “my cat likes to drink”. What does it like to drink? Idk, whatever it gets from the Swedish cow. There’s way more to this but this should at least help. Happy to answer anything else.
@ryanmcamp01 So the cat is the subject, likes to drink is the verb and the object is milk. How I understood the relationship between the verb and the object is to think what noun follows the verb. For example, the cat sings lullabies. What does the cat sing lullabies. Now if we think in this example from the video what does this cat drink milk. It’s adding and follows the verb describing the action of the subject. explaining it helps me retain the info hope that helps.
One good way of thinking about this is: "The what (subject) will what (predicate)." In other words, the subject, or the what the paragraph is about, DESERVES a reaction or conclusion. In the Elbert's commentary example, the entire "what" is Elbert's commentary, and the whole purpose was to convey to us that it was entertaining. All the other information was helpful, I guess (as a modifier).
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this lesson is hard lol anyone else struggling?
Forget Scorsese. I'm going to pitch Christopher Nolan an idea for Inception 2 ;)
His cat wears pants??!!
Yeah this lesson is really not clocking for me
if any of you guys have read "the loophole," this reminds me of the translations. grammar has never been a strong suit of mine and it's a different approach to what we're learning here. i also could be completely wrong on the point of this section LOL
@jmcconnell1 Agreed! I have that book as well, and I instantly thought of translations. This is all about skill in understanding stimuli.
Modifierception
why isn't milk a modifier, for example the cat like to drink. Then the cat likes to drink what--- Milk. What kind of milk and so on
@JacksonHolt In this case, "milk" is an object, which is part of the predicate. It doesn't directly modify anything, so much as "answer a question" indirectly posed by the verb (either receiving or being affected by the action).
In your example, "the cat like(s) to drink milk," The subject and verb together ("the cat likes to drink") form a complete sentence, but it really only makes sense because we understand "likes to drink" figuratively as "likes to drink alcohol." We may be concerned for the cat's mental health and wellbeing.
Taken literally, "the cat likes to drink" needs to answer a question to get its barebones point across. What does the cat like to drink? Milk.
If you can answer a question about the basic subject-verb phrase in that way with a noun (or noun phrase) in the sentence, it's an object.
@Mersault Could we conclude "to drink" cannot be the object, because in this sentence drink is being used as a verb rather than a noun?
Got it all right!
It's modifiers all the way down
For the last one couldn't have been: The cat brought home? Like if we choose another sub, pred, obj. is it incorrect?
@Righteousness I think that in the context of this sentence it is incorrect. Remember that we must consider the sentence as a whole, "The cat brought home" doesn't work because the structure of the sentence is such that "I brought home" is modifying and adding additional information to the subject. I hope this helps.
its starting to make more sense now
Lol the meme
@MelanieGonzalez Lol
I find it troubling his cat wears pants
@JJsatonanL Important catch! A lawyer in the making right here ;p <3
Cats of which you can adopt from a shelter located directly in the middle of a cul-de-sac or buy directly from a breeder of which whose abilities and-slash-or moral codes are questionable are generally lactose intolerant contrary to popular belief and will probably poop their pants if given any form of dairy including milk, cheese, and yogurt.
Kernel: Cats will poop their pants
@Student101 Good one!
Is anyone having a hard time with seeing the video?
The last example, couldn't milk be considered a modifier of to drink? It answers the question what does the cat likes to drink, so couldn't it be broken down to simply be saying "the cat likes to drink."
@JimMcEnulty thats what I thought, but take a look at the "modiefiers in thesubject" video. It has a tree that makes it clear milk is part of the predicate because it is an object modifying the verb.
That makes sense.
Nailed it
The way I understood the Scorsese sentence is similar to a reaction video to a reaction video of an apology video.
@ChrisOsgood lol when youtubers make a living on making a video on their reactions to tiktoks.
idk if this will help any of y'all but this is how I sorted it:
The cat that I brought home from the shelter in the middle of the village where a merchant was murdered on the only snowy day last year likes to drink fermented milk from the Swedish cow that we imported from Austria at considerable expense.
Subject noun: the cat
What about the cat: that i brought home
Where did you bring the cat home from? The shelter
Where was the shelter? In the middle of the village
What about the village: where a merchant was murdered
When was the merchant murdered: on the only snowy day last year
Preciate verb: drinks
Object: milk
What kind of milk: fermented milk
Any fermented milk: from the swedish cow
Any swedish cow?: that we imported from austria
Was it cheap or expensive?: at a considerable expense
Kernel: the cat drinks milk.
Why isn’t “the cat likes milk.” which "drink" is a modifier of what cats want to do with the milk?
AFAIK it's because it's a verbal phrase in the infinitive form. English verbs can be complex, so the verb is "likes to (drink)" rather than "likes." As a result, "milk" is the object of the sentence so it's still a basic part of the predicate. https://learnenglishweekly.com/advanced-english/what-is-a-verbal-phrase
@arieladelman322 I had the same question and your response is super helpful! The cat likes drinking milk, as opposed to simply liking milk.
This also makes me realize realize that the fact that the cat likes to drink milk doesn't imply it likes milk, justas the fact that Sue likes to kill mosquitoes doesn't imply that she likes mosquitoes.
Why isn't the last one "the cat likes to drink." Isn't milk modifying drink?
Can someone please explain this^^^
This is what I thought the answer was as well
@ryanmcamp01 Commenting to stay on this thread. I thought the same. Wouldn't milk (and all its associated modifiers) be modifying "to drink"
@ryanmcamp01 Hi, English degree here. It’s really hard to boil down the English language like they attempt. A short answer is that in the provided sentence the predicate contains has a verb + noun that receives the action of the verb. So our core sentence needs both to keep the meaning. If the object and its modifier (fermented milk) were removed then it would be “my cat likes to drink”. What does it like to drink? Idk, whatever it gets from the Swedish cow. There’s way more to this but this should at least help. Happy to answer anything else.
@ryanmcamp01 So the cat is the subject, likes to drink is the verb and the object is milk. How I understood the relationship between the verb and the object is to think what noun follows the verb. For example, the cat sings lullabies. What does the cat sing lullabies. Now if we think in this example from the video what does this cat drink milk. It’s adding and follows the verb describing the action of the subject. explaining it helps me retain the info hope that helps.
One good way of thinking about this is: "The what (subject) will what (predicate)." In other words, the subject, or the what the paragraph is about, DESERVES a reaction or conclusion. In the Elbert's commentary example, the entire "what" is Elbert's commentary, and the whole purpose was to convey to us that it was entertaining. All the other information was helpful, I guess (as a modifier).
The Xhibit Meme!!! Showing your age sir! lolol
he can't keep getting away with this lmao