@kittenWhiskers They want us to differentiate the predicate-verb from its modifiers. We know that “to kill” is modifying “fail.”
Consider how changing the sentence changes the predicate - Antibiotics HURT the bacteria that live in deep wounds - Antibiotics (subject) HURT (verb) bacteria (object). Only by removing the modifier “to kill” does “the bacteria" into an object. It doesn’t make sense if you are a normal person trying to derive the meaning of the sentence, but that is not what it is about, it is more of a puzzle with one logically correct answer.
So to sum it up, make note of verbs modifiying the main verb, and try to look at each passage as a puzzle.
@JashanpreetMalhi Hurricanes” isn’t the subject noun because the sentence is not making a claim directly about hurricanes themselves. The sentence is making a claim about the formation of hurricanes.
So the core sentence is:
‘The formation is triggered.’
Everything else just gives more information about the formation.
Also, “that threaten the United States mainland” is modifying hurricanes, not functioning as the main predicate. It’s describing which hurricanes we’re talking about.
So:
subject noun = formation
predicate verb = is triggered
The rest are modifiers giving more details :)) hope it helps, i didnt understand it last year so... progress will be made sooner for you!
@SYM I have it as "fail to kill" because I see the whole thing as the verb. But technically "fail is the (finite) verb. "To kill" is the infinitive modifier for fail.
@Okknicoleee Think of the object as receiving (or being directly impacted by) the subject's action. Birds catch worms. Bird is the subject, catch is the action (verb), and worm is the object. It's important to make this distinction because it's the bird doing the catching. It's not the worm that is catching the bird.
A subject of a sentence is the "do-er", the object is the thing that gets "acted on".
Alfred Wegener developed the concept. "Alfred" is the subject, while "concept" is the object. Alfred is the one who is doing, the concept is the thing being acted on. Notice: the concept did NOT develop Alfred Wegener.
Can anyone help me understand Q5 why the stripped down sentence " that there is a relationship" is not an predicate-object? Just like Q3, where 'Billboards are the basis of our business' is an object of "declared," isn't "concluded" the same structure?
In both:
The that-clause completes the verb.
and you can ask: Declared what? Concluded what?
So why is it that for Q5 it's labeled as a modifier?
@Shrimpi I'm not 100% sure but a study concluding can happen with no additional information. It would just mean it ended, though, so not enough context. Declared maybe doesn't work the same way?
Initially, they asked what a predicate and Noun was. But as you continue and hit "Answer," they start hitting you with things like "subject-noun, Subject-verb, Indirect-object, Direct-object" like huh? I feel like I am getting more confused, and I know I am not alone since there are over 250+ comments as well. Thoughts anyone?
@Ryo He's just fleshing out the different aspects of the previous lessons.
[subject-noun] - they're referring to what noun is the subject of the whole sentence.
[predicate-verb] - what verb is associated with what the subject is doing.
[predicate-object] - nouns that can be part of the predicate and describe what the object is doing.
You're looking for those aspects of the sentence to figure out what these convoluted sentences are saying:
[subject] [predicate].
All the other ["blank" modifies] refer to all the words that build around that subject-predicate relationship and give it more context, as well as what aspect of the relationship they are trying to describe.
It's been tricky at times to distinguish between the predicate object and modifier. For example on Q4 I initially thought the winds were the object but they turned out to be a modifier.
The main pattern that I have recognized, is if the predicate verb is acting on the following object, then it is an predicate object. So in Q2 when Wegener developed the concept, the concept is the object because it is being developed. However in Q4, the winds are actually acting in reverse on the verb. The formation isn't triggering the winds, they are triggered by the winds. That key word by shows me that the following object is modifying the verb. Likewise, on the last skill builder, the physicists were puzzled by the existence of black holes. It's easy to think:
physicists = subject
were puzzled = predicate verb
the existence = object,
but the word "by" signifies to me the existence is acting upon them being puzzled, therefore it is a modifier. It is only an object when it is necessary to grammatically complete the sentence, which is always going to be when the verb is acting upon the following object and therefore incomplete without it.
Other key words are the "is" before triggered, and the "were" before puzzled. Those signify it is a complete thought and therefore not reliant on the following word as an object.
@tporter1 If I understand correctly it is describing the "when" of the development/action and doesn't really comment on the subject. Just like how in Q3 "At the meeting" modifies declared. It is the "where" it was declared/the action happened but doesn't really comment on Mary.
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5/5. re-reading is your friend (and also changing the tenses)
For question 1, shouldn't it be like this?
Subject: antibiotics
Predicate-verb: fail to kill
Predicate-object: the bacteria
@kittenWhiskers They want us to differentiate the predicate-verb from its modifiers. We know that “to kill” is modifying “fail.”
Consider how changing the sentence changes the predicate - Antibiotics HURT the bacteria that live in deep wounds - Antibiotics (subject) HURT (verb) bacteria (object). Only by removing the modifier “to kill” does “the bacteria" into an object. It doesn’t make sense if you are a normal person trying to derive the meaning of the sentence, but that is not what it is about, it is more of a puzzle with one logically correct answer.
So to sum it up, make note of verbs modifiying the main verb, and try to look at each passage as a puzzle.
im cooked
Question 4: Why isn't the subject noun hurricanes and the predicate-verb threaten.
@JashanpreetMalhi Hurricanes” isn’t the subject noun because the sentence is not making a claim directly about hurricanes themselves. The sentence is making a claim about the formation of hurricanes.
So the core sentence is:
‘The formation is triggered.’
Everything else just gives more information about the formation.
Also, “that threaten the United States mainland” is modifying hurricanes, not functioning as the main predicate. It’s describing which hurricanes we’re talking about.
So:
subject noun = formation
predicate verb = is triggered
The rest are modifiers giving more details :)) hope it helps, i didnt understand it last year so... progress will be made sooner for you!
Question 2: I thought "the concept" modified developed, rather than being an object
Similarly, for Q3: I thought "billboards are the basis of our business" modified declared.
what
this doesn't make any sense >_<
Why is it that some sentences identify a predicate object and some do not?
how isnt bacteria in question 1 the object?
Hey :) For question 1 i thought the predicate- verb would be kill and the modifier would be fail {fail to kill} ?
@SYM I agree, and the video seems to confirm this. I suspect it's an inconsistency in the written answer.
@LiaWang Maybe so.. thanks for the confirmation! Happy studying :)
@SYM I have it as "fail to kill" because I see the whole thing as the verb. But technically "fail is the (finite) verb. "To kill" is the infinitive modifier for fail.
why is this neccesary for the lsat ?
@YehudaNissani After doing other test prep course, I do believe this can really help in the RC passages
Okay so I understand how to identify subjects and predicates but I'm struggling to understand Objects. Can someone help?
@Okknicoleee SAME
@paligrrl SAMEE
@Okknicoleee Think of the object as receiving (or being directly impacted by) the subject's action. Birds catch worms. Bird is the subject, catch is the action (verb), and worm is the object. It's important to make this distinction because it's the bird doing the catching. It's not the worm that is catching the bird.
A subject of a sentence is the "do-er", the object is the thing that gets "acted on".
Alfred Wegener developed the concept. "Alfred" is the subject, while "concept" is the object. Alfred is the one who is doing, the concept is the thing being acted on. Notice: the concept did NOT develop Alfred Wegener.
These basics are very reassuring.
I'm a little confused why the last one was "the cat likes to drink milk" but this kernel for Q1 wasn't "antibiotics fail to kill the bacteria"
@SavanahHoffstein Is it because "the cat likes" isn't a sentence but "antibiotics fail" is?
This was particularly convoluted
IM SO LOST
Can anyone help me understand Q5 why the stripped down sentence " that there is a relationship" is not an predicate-object? Just like Q3, where 'Billboards are the basis of our business' is an object of "declared," isn't "concluded" the same structure?
In both:
The that-clause completes the verb.
and you can ask: Declared what? Concluded what?
So why is it that for Q5 it's labeled as a modifier?
@Shrimpi I'm not 100% sure but a study concluding can happen with no additional information. It would just mean it ended, though, so not enough context. Declared maybe doesn't work the same way?
#4 got me, I though hurricane would be the S :/
Initially, they asked what a predicate and Noun was. But as you continue and hit "Answer," they start hitting you with things like "subject-noun, Subject-verb, Indirect-object, Direct-object" like huh? I feel like I am getting more confused, and I know I am not alone since there are over 250+ comments as well. Thoughts anyone?
@Ryo He's just fleshing out the different aspects of the previous lessons.
[subject-noun] - they're referring to what noun is the subject of the whole sentence.
[predicate-verb] - what verb is associated with what the subject is doing.
[predicate-object] - nouns that can be part of the predicate and describe what the object is doing.
You're looking for those aspects of the sentence to figure out what these convoluted sentences are saying:
[subject] [predicate].
All the other ["blank" modifies] refer to all the words that build around that subject-predicate relationship and give it more context, as well as what aspect of the relationship they are trying to describe.
lol what da heck
@besrawi I feel ya
It's been tricky at times to distinguish between the predicate object and modifier. For example on Q4 I initially thought the winds were the object but they turned out to be a modifier.
The main pattern that I have recognized, is if the predicate verb is acting on the following object, then it is an predicate object. So in Q2 when Wegener developed the concept, the concept is the object because it is being developed. However in Q4, the winds are actually acting in reverse on the verb. The formation isn't triggering the winds, they are triggered by the winds. That key word by shows me that the following object is modifying the verb. Likewise, on the last skill builder, the physicists were puzzled by the existence of black holes. It's easy to think:
physicists = subject
were puzzled = predicate verb
the existence = object,
but the word "by" signifies to me the existence is acting upon them being puzzled, therefore it is a modifier. It is only an object when it is necessary to grammatically complete the sentence, which is always going to be when the verb is acting upon the following object and therefore incomplete without it.
Other key words are the "is" before triggered, and the "were" before puzzled. Those signify it is a complete thought and therefore not reliant on the following word as an object.
Does anyone have any input?
Why is "a relationship" not the object of section 5, but for question three the whole clause starting with "Billboards" is the object?
#2
how does "early in this century" modify developed?
@tporter1 If I understand correctly it is describing the "when" of the development/action and doesn't really comment on the subject. Just like how in Q3 "At the meeting" modifies declared. It is the "where" it was declared/the action happened but doesn't really comment on Mary.
@SeanWatson i get it! thank you!!