Can anyone help me understand Q5 why the stripped down sentence " that there is a relationship" is not an predicate-object? Just like Q3, where 'Billboards are the basis of our business' is an object of "declared," isn't "concluded" the same structure?
In both:
The that-clause completes the verb.
and you can ask: Declared what? Concluded what?
So why is it that for Q5 it's labeled as a modifier?
Initially, they asked what a predicate and Noun was. But as you continue and hit "Answer," they start hitting you with things like "subject-noun, Subject-verb, Indirect-object, Direct-object" like huh? I feel like I am getting more confused, and I know I am not alone since there are over 250+ comments as well. Thoughts anyone?
It's been tricky at times to distinguish between the predicate object and modifier. For example on Q4 I initially thought the winds were the object but they turned out to be a modifier.
The main pattern that I have recognized, is if the predicate verb is acting on the following object, then it is an predicate object. So in Q2 when Wegener developed the concept, the concept is the object because it is being developed. However in Q4, the winds are actually acting in reverse on the verb. The formation isn't triggering the winds, they are triggered by the winds. That key word by shows me that the following object is modifying the verb. Likewise, on the last skill builder, the physicists were puzzled by the existence of black holes. It's easy to think:
physicists = subject
were puzzled = predicate verb
the existence = object,
but the word "by" signifies to me the existence is acting upon them being puzzled, therefore it is a modifier. It is only an object when it is necessary to grammatically complete the sentence, which is always going to be when the verb is acting upon the following object and therefore incomplete without it.
Other key words are the "is" before triggered, and the "were" before puzzled. Those signify it is a complete thought and therefore not reliant on the following word as an object.
I’m having trouble identifying the object. Sometimes there is an object and sometimes there isn’t. What is a good way to know when to identify that. Other than that I’m doing really well in identifying the subject and predicate- verb.
Question 4 might be tricky if you're only working with the information presented by 7Sage. The sentence:
"The formation of hurricanes that threaten the United States mainland is triggered by high atmospheric winds off the western coast of Africa."
is in the passive voice, which means the subject is receiving the action. Not every passive voice sentence includes the thing performing the action that the subject is receiving, but when it does, that noun or noun phrase is called the agent. Structurally, it feels like an object, but an agent is its own thing, so 7Sage considers that just another modifier.
Let's try another example. Let me know what you think, and point out the agent if you're feeling bold.
The seminal work of proto-existentialist fiction Notes from Underground was written by Fyodor Dostoyevsky.
In question #3 how is the predicate verb "declared" instead of "representing"? How should I determine the difference between which action is the predicate?
Half the time i think an object is the modifyer and the modifyer is the object.
Personally, it makes more sense to understand the subject of what the sentence is saying rather than the kernal. "Huricanes are triggered by Winds." In terms of saving time and understanding what the arguer is saying, the subject makes more sense than the kernal.
This is what helped me. The kernels [subject, predicate and object] should be a grammatically correct sentence when pulled out from the complex sentence; Ex: Mary Simms declared.
Alfred Wegener developed a concept
The formation is triggered.
Except Here:
[A] study concluded. Even though A is a modifier, I still pulled it from the sentence. I didn't have to change the definite article to make the sentence correct.
I'm finding it really hard to differentiate between predicate-object and modifier. For example in Q3, I identified that the predicate-verb was 'declared' so asked myself modifier questions like where, when, who etc, which led me to think "billboards are the basis of our business" was a modifier. But it's actually an object?? I just feel like it's so confusing! Anyone got any advice? Many thanks.
To everyone who feels stuck keep going just get the basic idea and move on because this stuff is rubbish
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IM SO LOST
Can anyone help me understand Q5 why the stripped down sentence " that there is a relationship" is not an predicate-object? Just like Q3, where 'Billboards are the basis of our business' is an object of "declared," isn't "concluded" the same structure?
In both:
The that-clause completes the verb.
and you can ask: Declared what? Concluded what?
So why is it that for Q5 it's labeled as a modifier?
#4 got me, I though hurricane would be the S :/
Initially, they asked what a predicate and Noun was. But as you continue and hit "Answer," they start hitting you with things like "subject-noun, Subject-verb, Indirect-object, Direct-object" like huh? I feel like I am getting more confused, and I know I am not alone since there are over 250+ comments as well. Thoughts anyone?
lol what da heck
It's been tricky at times to distinguish between the predicate object and modifier. For example on Q4 I initially thought the winds were the object but they turned out to be a modifier.
The main pattern that I have recognized, is if the predicate verb is acting on the following object, then it is an predicate object. So in Q2 when Wegener developed the concept, the concept is the object because it is being developed. However in Q4, the winds are actually acting in reverse on the verb. The formation isn't triggering the winds, they are triggered by the winds. That key word by shows me that the following object is modifying the verb. Likewise, on the last skill builder, the physicists were puzzled by the existence of black holes. It's easy to think:
physicists = subject
were puzzled = predicate verb
the existence = object,
but the word "by" signifies to me the existence is acting upon them being puzzled, therefore it is a modifier. It is only an object when it is necessary to grammatically complete the sentence, which is always going to be when the verb is acting upon the following object and therefore incomplete without it.
Other key words are the "is" before triggered, and the "were" before puzzled. Those signify it is a complete thought and therefore not reliant on the following word as an object.
Does anyone have any input?
Why is "a relationship" not the object of section 5, but for question three the whole clause starting with "Billboards" is the object?
#2
how does "early in this century" modify developed?
How is "fail to kill" not the complete predicate in the first sentence when "likes to drink" was a part of the predicate in the last example?
is "triggered" not the type of verb that typically needs an objection to be completed? really confused why it stands alone without an object here
I’m having trouble identifying the object. Sometimes there is an object and sometimes there isn’t. What is a good way to know when to identify that. Other than that I’m doing really well in identifying the subject and predicate- verb.
Question 4 might be tricky if you're only working with the information presented by 7Sage. The sentence:
is in the passive voice, which means the subject is receiving the action. Not every passive voice sentence includes the thing performing the action that the subject is receiving, but when it does, that noun or noun phrase is called the agent. Structurally, it feels like an object, but an agent is its own thing, so 7Sage considers that just another modifier.
Let's try another example. Let me know what you think, and point out the agent if you're feeling bold.
4: why not
Subject: The formation
Predicate-verb: is
Predicate-object: triggered?
4/5 lets go!! I will say I'm still lacking on identifying the object
whoa! I got them all correct in a reasonable time... confidence booster!
I'm confused as to why the kernel for Q1 is not Antibiotics kill bacteria. FAil can modify kill.
In question #3 how is the predicate verb "declared" instead of "representing"? How should I determine the difference between which action is the predicate?
I think I am not going to get too caught up on the differences between predicate objects and modifiers.
how is the subject to number 4 not hurricanes
Half the time i think an object is the modifyer and the modifyer is the object.
Personally, it makes more sense to understand the subject of what the sentence is saying rather than the kernal. "Huricanes are triggered by Winds." In terms of saving time and understanding what the arguer is saying, the subject makes more sense than the kernal.
This is what helped me. The kernels [subject, predicate and object] should be a grammatically correct sentence when pulled out from the complex sentence; Ex: Mary Simms declared.
Alfred Wegener developed a concept
The formation is triggered.
Except Here:
[A] study concluded. Even though A is a modifier, I still pulled it from the sentence. I didn't have to change the definite article to make the sentence correct.
I'm finding it really hard to differentiate between predicate-object and modifier. For example in Q3, I identified that the predicate-verb was 'declared' so asked myself modifier questions like where, when, who etc, which led me to think "billboards are the basis of our business" was a modifier. But it's actually an object?? I just feel like it's so confusing! Anyone got any advice? Many thanks.
To everyone who feels stuck keep going just get the basic idea and move on because this stuff is rubbish