I spent way more time on this question than needed because after I read the first two sentences, I had to go back and keep reading to make sure what I was reading was correct because the flow made no sense to me 🙃 it felt like someone stitched things that made no sense together and then I got to the end and was like “OH”.
I noticed in the passage, the use of 3 similar examples was crammed into it. But the Tshirt sentence made the most sense to me. Hence, it seemed like when this comedian thought their Tshirt was going to draw alot of attention yet that wasn't the case; so, E was my answer. I chose an answer that mirrored how my logic process worked, and I guess I got it right!
I feel like knowing the type of question (and assume thats done with reading question & stimulus, helps reduce time in what you analyze. Like knowing not to over analyze looking for predicate when it's illustration like this?
Got the question right! But I find that the practice on comparatives is much easier than doing the actual question. I am able to apply the whole "comparatives" section to the the practice. But, when it comes time to doing an actual question I don't even know where to begin.
For fellow people worried when they see questions being way over time-- These questions are being used to test the skill being taught, but in the context of a real LSAT question. Don't worry about timing yet! It's better to be able to properly do a skill (here it's comparatives) instead of rushing because you're worried about the time.
The stimulus is entirely comparative: it sets up a gap between what people expect versus what actually happens.
Answer Choice (E) uses the exact same comparative structure ("more often than is actually the case").
My question is:
How much weight should we give to this structural coincidence? Is a comparative stimulus a guarantee that the correct answer must also be in a comparative format? Or is it possible for the correct answer to be written as a functional statement without the than marker?
I’m trying to determine if hunting for this format match is a reliable shortcut or a potential trap :)
@marianagomes It's very difficult to say this kind of match is required in order for an answer to be correct. The LSAT is great at writing sneaky answers. For example, I think this would be a well supported claim "People's expectations don't always match reality."
Although I chose the correct answer, I do not understand the explanation for why "B" is wrong. By my reasoning, it was wrong for a completely different reason.
@180-Energy something can be wrong for multiple reasons, like 10 is not a prime number bc it is 5*2 and bc it can be broken up into multiple primes, blah blah blah
I chose E because it seemed the most clear answer but i was tempted by C because even though it says E the other way around, i was thinking its saying the same thing; the same way i am older than you and you are younger than me are the same, why cant C also be correct because it is saying the same thing as E the other way around. Why would I assume what I think of other people is different from what others think of me?
@YakovMahgerefteh I don't think C is an example of something being equivalent. The Equivalent Statement to E is "One's appearance and behavior are noticed by others far less than people tend to believe". There is no information on what the observers believe their level of observation is, so we do not know if they are less observant, more observant, or about the same level of observant.
Question for a 7Sage instructor (but happy to have input from others as well!):
7Sage keeps referencing "cultivating habits" like fleshing out referentials, setting aside modifiers to see the passage's core structure, identifying what is being compared, how it is being compares, and which thing wins in comparisons, but I'm unsure of which habits/exercises, if any, you actually want us to be doing on paper as we work through questions in the hopes of getting the right answer.
In other words, can you please explicitly share with us what we should be writing down when we answer these questions? I want to know because, of course, in a perfect non-time-constrained world, we would embrace all of these habits by fleshing out every passage's complexity in every possible way. And maybe, in the beginning, you would like us to? But it is helpful for me to hear whether any of these exercises/habits are actually worthwhile (time-wise) to be jotting down on test day.
Everyone thinks/works differently so I understand that is difficult to broadly advise us, but please let me know of your thoughts. Thank you so much!!
@DeliaCanDoIt! I think the skill builder exercises illustrate the intended habit. When you encounter a comparative, make sure you identify (1) the two things being compared, (2) the quality being compared, and (3) which thing “wins” the comparison.
For test day, most of the advice I’ve seen is that time spent writing is often not a good investment unless you’re returning to a flagged question with time to spare. Part of the purpose of us doing all of this practice is to make it so this type of analysis and reasoning comes naturally and we don’t need the crutch of a diagram or notes to get through this type of question quickly and accurately on test day.
When it comes to fleshing out referentials and other grammar issues, all of this is supposed to be done in one's mind. (And if you think it'll take too long, it won't!...with enough practice.) So don't take the fact that the videos write stuff out to imply that you should also be writing stuff out. The videos write stuff out for the purpose of instruction.
I need to do a better job in analyzing the answer prompts. I was able to extract the proper meaning out of the comparative claims in the question but failed to see the intricacies of the language used in B and C to be able to better differentiate it from the correct answer in E
I am not sure if I am doing this correct, but finding the conclusion, and reading the statements in the paragraphs, helped me get the right answer (because the right answer also supported the conclusion) Idk if that makes any sense or I'm just simply doing crazy at this point lol.
@Jordanabel Right, (B) isn't saying one thing is more or less likely to be noticed than another thing or that the magnitude of something is more or less than another thing.
@DeborahAdel I can understand the frustration. So many people are in the same place as you so don't over-stress. For now, focus on the main concepts & on your off time, it is recommended to habitually read diverse and challenging concepts that you are not familiar with so that you can begin to build a strength in that department. (IE: replace scrolling with going through passages).
I’m very happy I got this question right but I was well over the suggested timing it should have taken to answer this question. I’m not discouraged about the time I know I have to work on this skill before I can speed up.
@NaomiSmith Kinda unrelated but -- I've been studying for a bit over a month and came back to this foundations course to better my accuracy and to better analyze questions. All this to say, I'm still far away from working on my timing. Accuracy really matters. Just be patient with yourself and be realistic for what your timeline for studying and taking the test is! :)
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I spent way more time on this question than needed because after I read the first two sentences, I had to go back and keep reading to make sure what I was reading was correct because the flow made no sense to me 🙃 it felt like someone stitched things that made no sense together and then I got to the end and was like “OH”.
got it right but i need to work on the time
I noticed in the passage, the use of 3 similar examples was crammed into it. But the Tshirt sentence made the most sense to me. Hence, it seemed like when this comedian thought their Tshirt was going to draw alot of attention yet that wasn't the case; so, E was my answer. I chose an answer that mirrored how my logic process worked, and I guess I got it right!
Insn’t the answer still making an overly assumption over how people would react in every situation based on these three?
I feel like knowing the type of question (and assume thats done with reading question & stimulus, helps reduce time in what you analyze. Like knowing not to over analyze looking for predicate when it's illustration like this?
Got the question right! But I find that the practice on comparatives is much easier than doing the actual question. I am able to apply the whole "comparatives" section to the the practice. But, when it comes time to doing an actual question I don't even know where to begin.
For fellow people worried when they see questions being way over time-- These questions are being used to test the skill being taught, but in the context of a real LSAT question. Don't worry about timing yet! It's better to be able to properly do a skill (here it's comparatives) instead of rushing because you're worried about the time.
Is "Comparative Format" a definitive Predictor?
The stimulus is entirely comparative: it sets up a gap between what people expect versus what actually happens.
Answer Choice (E) uses the exact same comparative structure ("more often than is actually the case").
My question is:
How much weight should we give to this structural coincidence? Is a comparative stimulus a guarantee that the correct answer must also be in a comparative format? Or is it possible for the correct answer to be written as a functional statement without the than marker?
I’m trying to determine if hunting for this format match is a reliable shortcut or a potential trap :)
@marianagomes It's very difficult to say this kind of match is required in order for an answer to be correct. The LSAT is great at writing sneaky answers. For example, I think this would be a well supported claim "People's expectations don't always match reality."
one second over but i got it! i was solely looking for the answer i predicted
As soon as I saw the "that," I was able to piece together the answer. Understanding the referentials made this so easy.
Although I chose the correct answer, I do not understand the explanation for why "B" is wrong. By my reasoning, it was wrong for a completely different reason.
@180-Energy something can be wrong for multiple reasons, like 10 is not a prime number bc it is 5*2 and bc it can be broken up into multiple primes, blah blah blah
I chose E because it seemed the most clear answer but i was tempted by C because even though it says E the other way around, i was thinking its saying the same thing; the same way i am older than you and you are younger than me are the same, why cant C also be correct because it is saying the same thing as E the other way around. Why would I assume what I think of other people is different from what others think of me?
@YakovMahgerefteh I don't think C is an example of something being equivalent. The Equivalent Statement to E is "One's appearance and behavior are noticed by others far less than people tend to believe". There is no information on what the observers believe their level of observation is, so we do not know if they are less observant, more observant, or about the same level of observant.
Question for a 7Sage instructor (but happy to have input from others as well!):
7Sage keeps referencing "cultivating habits" like fleshing out referentials, setting aside modifiers to see the passage's core structure, identifying what is being compared, how it is being compares, and which thing wins in comparisons, but I'm unsure of which habits/exercises, if any, you actually want us to be doing on paper as we work through questions in the hopes of getting the right answer.
In other words, can you please explicitly share with us what we should be writing down when we answer these questions? I want to know because, of course, in a perfect non-time-constrained world, we would embrace all of these habits by fleshing out every passage's complexity in every possible way. And maybe, in the beginning, you would like us to? But it is helpful for me to hear whether any of these exercises/habits are actually worthwhile (time-wise) to be jotting down on test day.
Everyone thinks/works differently so I understand that is difficult to broadly advise us, but please let me know of your thoughts. Thank you so much!!
@DeliaCanDoIt! I think the skill builder exercises illustrate the intended habit. When you encounter a comparative, make sure you identify (1) the two things being compared, (2) the quality being compared, and (3) which thing “wins” the comparison.
For test day, most of the advice I’ve seen is that time spent writing is often not a good investment unless you’re returning to a flagged question with time to spare. Part of the purpose of us doing all of this practice is to make it so this type of analysis and reasoning comes naturally and we don’t need the crutch of a diagram or notes to get through this type of question quickly and accurately on test day.
@DeliaCanDoIt! Echoing @tobistein
When it comes to fleshing out referentials and other grammar issues, all of this is supposed to be done in one's mind. (And if you think it'll take too long, it won't!...with enough practice.) So don't take the fact that the videos write stuff out to imply that you should also be writing stuff out. The videos write stuff out for the purpose of instruction.
I need to do a better job in analyzing the answer prompts. I was able to extract the proper meaning out of the comparative claims in the question but failed to see the intricacies of the language used in B and C to be able to better differentiate it from the correct answer in E
@DouglasNeumeyer i answered the exact same way.
I am not sure if I am doing this correct, but finding the conclusion, and reading the statements in the paragraphs, helped me get the right answer (because the right answer also supported the conclusion) Idk if that makes any sense or I'm just simply doing crazy at this point lol.
PS also went over the time suggested :(
I think there is a typo at the end of B. But it is making an absolute claim, correct?
@Jordanabel Right, (B) isn't saying one thing is more or less likely to be noticed than another thing or that the magnitude of something is more or less than another thing.
I think at this stage getting the right answer is far more important than the speed. It means that at least we're making our way to the answer.
I got it correct, but so far over the time. I cant read and comprehend fast enough :(
@DeborahAdel i would say first worry about understanding and getting it right than time as of right now
@DeborahAdel I can understand the frustration. So many people are in the same place as you so don't over-stress. For now, focus on the main concepts & on your off time, it is recommended to habitually read diverse and challenging concepts that you are not familiar with so that you can begin to build a strength in that department. (IE: replace scrolling with going through passages).
1:33 over, but I got it right! Need to stop questioning myself on answers
@MRod Same! I was second guessing myself way too much
27s over but got it right ... B almost tripped me up!
@ClydeB B tripped me up
Yayyy! I got it right!
I’m very happy I got this question right but I was well over the suggested timing it should have taken to answer this question. I’m not discouraged about the time I know I have to work on this skill before I can speed up.
@NaomiSmith Kinda unrelated but -- I've been studying for a bit over a month and came back to this foundations course to better my accuracy and to better analyze questions. All this to say, I'm still far away from working on my timing. Accuracy really matters. Just be patient with yourself and be realistic for what your timeline for studying and taking the test is! :)
Somehow, I got this question right... That was something!
I'm doing ok on the LSAT questions, but I'm always over the suggested time. I feel not good about this
@MRJones me too... but, I think the drills will help us and we will go through reading questions efficiently :) god speed!
i had the right answer and second guessed myself and changed it..... i hate myself