For fellow people worried when they see questions being way over time-- These questions are being used to test the skill being taught, but in the context of a real LSAT question. Don't worry about timing yet! It's better to be able to properly do a skill (here it's comparatives) instead of rushing because you're worried about the time.
I got the question correct but I relied solely on intuition rather than using the skills we've been learning. I definitely need to get better at using our LSAT toolkit we've been building thus far but I just blank as soon as I start reading questions. Hopefully more practice will remind me to fallback not on intuition but on actual skill.
@CRed Same here. Completely failed to understand that the things being compared in each premise were expectations v. reality, and instead fell for the explicit groups being mentioned, but still recognized the commonality in all the premises by reading the answer choices and using process of elimination.
@CRed so the thing is that doing what we practice would actually take too much time. you just really have to focus on what youre reading (this is what im doing not giving advice just sharing what works for me). I dont sit there going "alright let me look at everything being compared, the things, quality, and winner for each of these three scenarios. you just have to pay attention and get good at knowing whats being compared without giving it too much time. it wasnt hard to see here that what was being compared was really just people not observing others as much as we thought they would, whether it was the lies, gameplay, or clothing.
Got the question right! But I find that the practice on comparatives is much easier than doing the actual question. I am able to apply the whole "comparatives" section to the the practice. But, when it comes time to doing an actual question I don't even know where to begin.
I spent way more time on this question than needed because after I read the first two sentences, I had to go back and keep reading to make sure what I was reading was correct because the flow made no sense to me 🙃 it felt like someone stitched things that made no sense together and then I got to the end and was like “OH”.
Never thought my psychology class would come in handy here. Thanks to the girl who did a whole presentation in a really wild t-shirt then pointed out at the end that none of us noticed lol.
@DeborahAdel I can understand the frustration. So many people are in the same place as you so don't over-stress. For now, focus on the main concepts & on your off time, it is recommended to habitually read diverse and challenging concepts that you are not familiar with so that you can begin to build a strength in that department. (IE: replace scrolling with going through passages).
I’m very happy I got this question right but I was well over the suggested timing it should have taken to answer this question. I’m not discouraged about the time I know I have to work on this skill before I can speed up.
@NaomiSmith Kinda unrelated but -- I've been studying for a bit over a month and came back to this foundations course to better my accuracy and to better analyze questions. All this to say, I'm still far away from working on my timing. Accuracy really matters. Just be patient with yourself and be realistic for what your timeline for studying and taking the test is! :)
Before reading the answers I noticed that all of the scenerios relate to someone overthinking a perceived flaw internally and thinking everyone else can notice the insecurity or internal thought. However, the researchers found that most people who interacted with the subject did not notice to the extent that the subject thought they would.
A. Incorrect because every scenario outlined illustrates the subject internalizing something or overthinking. This would be the correct answer if the person were completely unaware of their actions.
B. Incorrect. "People tend to" is overly inclusive of people's ability to notice appearance. There isn't any direct argument being made in the passage. It is 3 separate scenerios that illustrate a braoder point.
C. Incorrect. The passage doesn't discuss how often the subject notices the behavior of others.
D. Incorrect. Too all encompassing with the "Necessary" only if phrase. People may still notice someone's appearance without the subject drawing attention to it.
E. Correct. This answer is the best answer to describe the three scenarios illustrated in the passage.
Question for a 7Sage instructor (but happy to have input from others as well!):
7Sage keeps referencing "cultivating habits" like fleshing out referentials, setting aside modifiers to see the passage's core structure, identifying what is being compared, how it is being compares, and which thing wins in comparisons, but I'm unsure of which habits/exercises, if any, you actually want us to be doing on paper as we work through questions in the hopes of getting the right answer.
In other words, can you please explicitly share with us what we should be writing down when we answer these questions? I want to know because, of course, in a perfect non-time-constrained world, we would embrace all of these habits by fleshing out every passage's complexity in every possible way. And maybe, in the beginning, you would like us to? But it is helpful for me to hear whether any of these exercises/habits are actually worthwhile (time-wise) to be jotting down on test day.
Everyone thinks/works differently so I understand that is difficult to broadly advise us, but please let me know of your thoughts. Thank you so much!!
@DeliaCanDoIt! I think the skill builder exercises illustrate the intended habit. When you encounter a comparative, make sure you identify (1) the two things being compared, (2) the quality being compared, and (3) which thing “wins” the comparison.
For test day, most of the advice I’ve seen is that time spent writing is often not a good investment unless you’re returning to a flagged question with time to spare. Part of the purpose of us doing all of this practice is to make it so this type of analysis and reasoning comes naturally and we don’t need the crutch of a diagram or notes to get through this type of question quickly and accurately on test day.
When it comes to fleshing out referentials and other grammar issues, all of this is supposed to be done in one's mind. (And if you think it'll take too long, it won't!...with enough practice.) So don't take the fact that the videos write stuff out to imply that you should also be writing stuff out. The videos write stuff out for the purpose of instruction.
I need to do a better job in analyzing the answer prompts. I was able to extract the proper meaning out of the comparative claims in the question but failed to see the intricacies of the language used in B and C to be able to better differentiate it from the correct answer in E
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first question i answered correctly!!!
For fellow people worried when they see questions being way over time-- These questions are being used to test the skill being taught, but in the context of a real LSAT question. Don't worry about timing yet! It's better to be able to properly do a skill (here it's comparatives) instead of rushing because you're worried about the time.
got it right but i need to work on the time
@MatthewLsat same
I got the question correct but I relied solely on intuition rather than using the skills we've been learning. I definitely need to get better at using our LSAT toolkit we've been building thus far but I just blank as soon as I start reading questions. Hopefully more practice will remind me to fallback not on intuition but on actual skill.
@CRed Same here. Completely failed to understand that the things being compared in each premise were expectations v. reality, and instead fell for the explicit groups being mentioned, but still recognized the commonality in all the premises by reading the answer choices and using process of elimination.
@CRed so the thing is that doing what we practice would actually take too much time. you just really have to focus on what youre reading (this is what im doing not giving advice just sharing what works for me). I dont sit there going "alright let me look at everything being compared, the things, quality, and winner for each of these three scenarios. you just have to pay attention and get good at knowing whats being compared without giving it too much time. it wasnt hard to see here that what was being compared was really just people not observing others as much as we thought they would, whether it was the lies, gameplay, or clothing.
Got the question right! But I find that the practice on comparatives is much easier than doing the actual question. I am able to apply the whole "comparatives" section to the the practice. But, when it comes time to doing an actual question I don't even know where to begin.
I'm doing ok on the LSAT questions, but I'm always over the suggested time. I feel not good about this
@MRJones me too... but, I think the drills will help us and we will go through reading questions efficiently :) god speed!
volume on this video is very low.
LSAT ASMR
I Finally got 100% on a lesson.
that was easy
I think at this stage getting the right answer is far more important than the speed. It means that at least we're making our way to the answer.
I spent way more time on this question than needed because after I read the first two sentences, I had to go back and keep reading to make sure what I was reading was correct because the flow made no sense to me 🙃 it felt like someone stitched things that made no sense together and then I got to the end and was like “OH”.
I feel like I always forget a word in the actual stimulus that could change the entire answer choice.
1:33 over, but I got it right! Need to stop questioning myself on answers
@MRod Same! I was second guessing myself way too much
This one was easy. KEEP PUSHING GUYS
Never thought my psychology class would come in handy here. Thanks to the girl who did a whole presentation in a really wild t-shirt then pointed out at the end that none of us noticed lol.
I got it correct, but so far over the time. I cant read and comprehend fast enough :(
@DeborahAdel i would say first worry about understanding and getting it right than time as of right now
@DeborahAdel I can understand the frustration. So many people are in the same place as you so don't over-stress. For now, focus on the main concepts & on your off time, it is recommended to habitually read diverse and challenging concepts that you are not familiar with so that you can begin to build a strength in that department. (IE: replace scrolling with going through passages).
i had the right answer and second guessed myself and changed it..... i hate myself
27s over but got it right ... B almost tripped me up!
@ClydeB B tripped me up
@TaylarGottsegen Same
Yayyy! I got it right!
I’m very happy I got this question right but I was well over the suggested timing it should have taken to answer this question. I’m not discouraged about the time I know I have to work on this skill before I can speed up.
@NaomiSmith Kinda unrelated but -- I've been studying for a bit over a month and came back to this foundations course to better my accuracy and to better analyze questions. All this to say, I'm still far away from working on my timing. Accuracy really matters. Just be patient with yourself and be realistic for what your timeline for studying and taking the test is! :)
Before reading the answers I noticed that all of the scenerios relate to someone overthinking a perceived flaw internally and thinking everyone else can notice the insecurity or internal thought. However, the researchers found that most people who interacted with the subject did not notice to the extent that the subject thought they would.
A. Incorrect because every scenario outlined illustrates the subject internalizing something or overthinking. This would be the correct answer if the person were completely unaware of their actions.
B. Incorrect. "People tend to" is overly inclusive of people's ability to notice appearance. There isn't any direct argument being made in the passage. It is 3 separate scenerios that illustrate a braoder point.
C. Incorrect. The passage doesn't discuss how often the subject notices the behavior of others.
D. Incorrect. Too all encompassing with the "Necessary" only if phrase. People may still notice someone's appearance without the subject drawing attention to it.
E. Correct. This answer is the best answer to describe the three scenarios illustrated in the passage.
@saraknepshield937 This is fantastic, thank you
Question for a 7Sage instructor (but happy to have input from others as well!):
7Sage keeps referencing "cultivating habits" like fleshing out referentials, setting aside modifiers to see the passage's core structure, identifying what is being compared, how it is being compares, and which thing wins in comparisons, but I'm unsure of which habits/exercises, if any, you actually want us to be doing on paper as we work through questions in the hopes of getting the right answer.
In other words, can you please explicitly share with us what we should be writing down when we answer these questions? I want to know because, of course, in a perfect non-time-constrained world, we would embrace all of these habits by fleshing out every passage's complexity in every possible way. And maybe, in the beginning, you would like us to? But it is helpful for me to hear whether any of these exercises/habits are actually worthwhile (time-wise) to be jotting down on test day.
Everyone thinks/works differently so I understand that is difficult to broadly advise us, but please let me know of your thoughts. Thank you so much!!
@DeliaCanDoIt! I think the skill builder exercises illustrate the intended habit. When you encounter a comparative, make sure you identify (1) the two things being compared, (2) the quality being compared, and (3) which thing “wins” the comparison.
For test day, most of the advice I’ve seen is that time spent writing is often not a good investment unless you’re returning to a flagged question with time to spare. Part of the purpose of us doing all of this practice is to make it so this type of analysis and reasoning comes naturally and we don’t need the crutch of a diagram or notes to get through this type of question quickly and accurately on test day.
@DeliaCanDoIt! Echoing @tobistein
When it comes to fleshing out referentials and other grammar issues, all of this is supposed to be done in one's mind. (And if you think it'll take too long, it won't!...with enough practice.) So don't take the fact that the videos write stuff out to imply that you should also be writing stuff out. The videos write stuff out for the purpose of instruction.
I need to do a better job in analyzing the answer prompts. I was able to extract the proper meaning out of the comparative claims in the question but failed to see the intricacies of the language used in B and C to be able to better differentiate it from the correct answer in E
@DouglasNeumeyer i answered the exact same way.
Somehow, I got this question right... That was something!
I answered C when looking now at the video it seems more obvious it was E, gotta stop comparing similar statements as the same.