What is the difference between Question Difficulty and Psg/Game/S Difficulty in the PT score breakdown?

I am a senior in undergrad and plan to work for 2 years before attending law school. My current plan is to take the LSAT in the spring/summer of 2023 and apply to law schools in the fall of 2023. I just heard about LSAC's past announcement that they'd be removing logic games from the LSAT in 2023, however, and it's making me question if I should change my plans some.

I am yet to start studying for the LSAT, but I'm concerned for a couple of reasons. First, from what I've heard, it seems the logic games are the easiest section of the test to "master." Therefore, I'm concerned the test will be harder without them. Second, and perhaps more importantly, if LSAC creates a totally new section for the LSAT to replace logic games (meaning they don't just add an extra LR or RC section to replace logic games), there will be no official practice tests to practice for the new section. Seeing as past tests seem to be an integral resource when prepping for the LSAT, this seems like a bit of a nightmare.

All of this brings me to ask a couple of question:

2.To me, it seems that it would be wise to take the LSAT before the logic games are removed (because of LG being the easiest section to master and there being ample practice tests to study for them). As aforementioned, my plan has always been to take the LSAT in the spring/summer of 2023. Therefore, I've always planned to start studying for the LSAT after I graduate in May of 2022 (because I'd like to have at least a year to prep). If logic games may be removed by January of 2023, however, it seems it may be wise to take the LSAT before then. So if I started studying in May, that would only leave me 7 or 8 months to study. So would it be wise for me to instead start studying for the LSAT after my final exams end in December and take it before January of 2023? I have a pretty high GPA and I'm only taking a couple of classes before graduating next semester, so I have no concerns that studying while in school would hurt my GPA.

Apologies for the long question! I just don't want to mess up studying for the LSAT. I'm super appreciative of any responses or input!

Hi everyone, I love when people share their final thoughts and advice as they close out of their law school journey so I thought hey maybe someone would find this post useful.

Background: I started at a 142, was PTing in the 156 range, took August 2021 got a 151 and felt pretty rough. I then started taking studying more seriously, got a tutor, and hit a 160 for November 2021. My goal was originally a 165 to hit just one schools median but I'm feeling burnt out and the majority of my schools are within the 160 range or lower, so I'm taking this win and applying now.

Disclaimer: This is what worked for me

Tips/Advice:

1. Focusing on Logic Games was the biggest help, I kept drilling and practicing new games which really helped me start moving faster. Do the foolproofing method, it really works.

2. I got the Loophole by Ellen Cassidy and her Basic Translation Drill saved me so much. DO THE DRILL. It'll help you move faster through LR. Also her Powerful vs. Provable chapter is a game-changer. I wish I would've gotten this book sooner.

3. Do full LR timed sections. Look at the questions you miss the most often and start drilling. First do 2-3 difficulty questions than 3-4, depending on the level you are getting wrong. Sometimes it helps to go back to the basics.

4. Another tip for LR: I focused on hitting the first 15 with accuracy and then the last 10 picking and choosing which question to spend time on, this really helped me set a pattern.

5. Manhattan Prep's "reading for scale" for RC was very helpful, in that it helped me read for purpose. I didn't do much of 7sage RC, so can't compare.

6. Lastly, I tutored with ellesat, more specifically Van, and if you have the money I highly recommend her. She offers tutoring packages and even with the first 2 sessions with her, I learned a lot about how to study for this test. Although, this test is doable on your own, I just needed more guidance.

7. Use a wrong answer journal, spreadsheets are super easy to see everything and really organized.

If you have any questions please feel free to message me!

I took the GRE twice back in 2017 and my highest GRE score is converted to a 154 LSAT. Should I submit my GRE score as well? My highest LSAT score is 151. I'm looking to apply to a law school with a range 157-163.

Thank you!

After receiving my November score I’m feeling extremely discouraged. I know I can score between a 166-171 when I don’t feel the pressure of the time. I preform well on individual sections but the I haven’t been able to replicate the same results on the exam. I currently have accommodations with extra time and stop/start breaks, but it’s not enough to stop me from having an anxiety attack in front of my proctor. I have taken this exam many times and I want january to be my last exam. Please if anyone has any advice I’d greatly appreciate it because I’ve tried everything for my anxiety (exercise, meditation, acupuncture, taking breaks etc) Thank you in advance.

Hi all,

I just received my November score and am happy with it. If anyone wants my LSAT Trainer textbook for free, I'd just ask that you pay shipping (I use Venmo). I used the textbook to supplement 7sage lessons, mostly on reading comp and the other sections are pretty much untouched. I am based in Nebraska if that helps!

Let me know!

if I register for January, but do not take it/withdraw before the test day, will it show up as an attempt on my account?

Thank you 7sage I'm so happy!! Have to finish application materials and then we're on our way, so scary, but glad to be done with the LSAT. Any suggestions of where to apply with a 168 and 3.9? Could I get into a T14 with those stats? -- Also debating if I should take January, but super late in the cycle, but I really wanted the 170. Can't complain about the 168 though!

Backstory: I got a 152 on my first LSAT in October and was very fortunate to improve my score to a 159 on the November LSAT. I am primarily looking at regional schools as my top choices that have medians around 155 or 156. Although a couple of other schools I am applying (that I am a little less interested in due to location, but would still consider) have medians around 160.

I have studied pretty consistently (around 25 hours a week also working a full-time job) for around 3-4 months. While I have some confidence that I can get better on LR and probably get close to perfect on LG by the January LSAT, I also know the holidays and traveling will make it difficult to get the same study habits I had before the November LSAT.

The decision also gets a little harder because if I decide to retake in January, do I wait to submit my applications to those 160ish median schools until February when scores come in? I feel like the two months of waiting might outweigh the benefit of getting a slightly higher score.

Any advice on whether to retake or just let it go and move on?

Hey peeps! I just got my score back (decent but will definitely be retaking it in Feb) and was trying to see my score breakdown to see which questions I got right and wrong, but LSAT says these files are "unavailable". To my knowledge the Nov 2021 LSAT is disclosed, and when the LSAT is disclosed score reports are available immediately. Does anyone know how I can access the score breakdown?

Update: Apparently God-Emperor LSAC has decided to discontinue disclosing recent LSAT scores for the time being. They stopped allowing score breakdowns to be released since the pandemic began and the LSAT Flex got popularized. Hopefully they'll add it back eventually. Until then, PT's for me!

While I know this will not ensure the highest score nor is optimal, I'd like to hear from those ahead of me on which parts of the syllabus I can leave out and possible revisit if time allows. I would like to move to prep tests and running low on time before January.

In community. Thanks.

I just got my LSAT score back and am wondering if it tells you what you scored in each section or not. I have to retake it in January but don't know what I need to focus on.

I just saw some people post about how law schools are now accepting GRE scores as well as LSAT at every ABA accredited school. I also saw some articles online about it. Just wanted to reach out and ask if this is true, and if anyone else has any information on it, and what are the implications other than having more options.

Hi all,

Im taking my first LSAT in January. Can I send in my applications without the LSAT score? I see that there is an option on the apps to put when you plan to take the LSAT if you haven't already. Is there a benefit/negative to sending in your application without your LSAT score?

What is the best way to approach the 7sage study plan? Often times it asks for like 30hrs a weeks of studying and as a full time student, I can't commit to that. My plan is to take the June 2022 LSAT, so I would like to get through the entire plan if needed/possible.

I lost my credit card over the weekend and wasn't able to access problem sets so I attributed it to that. After receiving my new card and updating payment info on 7Sage I am still unable to access problem sets because 7Sage is saying my Prep Plus account is not linked, when I click 'link my account' it takes me to prep plus and says that it is linked?

I'd love to get back to studying haha, has anyone experienced this before?

Hey everyone. I am planning to retake the lsat in January or February 2022 with the hopes of getting a 170 or above. I first took the LSAT in October 2020 and got a 165. I applied to T-14/20 schools and didn't get in to where I wanted, so I decided to delay my law school plans. I have now decided to reapply to law schools in the Fall of 2022 and want to get the highest score possible.

I have been studying now for about a month and am about at a 160 as I try to get reaccumulated with this test. LG is by far my easiest with not missing more than 2. LR and RC are equally hard. I have been blind reviewing around 80% for LR in the last week. The timing is still a killer for me. Any suggests on if I should push the test back till February to give me more time? I know I have the time but would love to get this horrible test over with asap. Thanks!!

Hi 7sagers,

As I am close to finishing my school applications, I now have extra time that I used before for LSAT study. I saw some posts about test day questions, and I would like to share my own test day experience and tips

Pick a time slot that works best for your body and brain

We set up our "preferred time slot" for practice tests, but if you are like me, who would predictably get anxious for the real test, it might not be a bad idea to pick a slot that 1 - 2 hours later than the usual practice test time to calm the overly hyped body and brain. I did it for the Oct test, and it turned out to work well.

Brain warm-up if you can

If you decide to give yourself an extra 1 - 2 hours before the actual test, you may want to meditate, do some light exercises, and warm up your brain. There are some other discussions about how to warm up before the test. The standard way is to do one game, one passage, and 7 - 8 LR questions. I found that warm-up with LG questions only works best because LG questions integrate understanding, inferences, and diagrams, which quickly alert the brain and transfer it to the test mode.

Talking about LG, just a side note - you will only allow five pieces of scratch paper for the entire test. No refill over the break. So diagram as much as you want, but also be cautious just in case there are 2 LG sections, and you will have to diagram a TON.

Ask the proctor if you have any question BEFORE starting the test

If you have any test-related question, make sure to ask. There is a 10 - 20 mins check-in section before starting the test, and after you finish the check-in, most proctors will not force you to begin the test right away unless you agree that you are ready as well. Take your time to clear all test-related questions so you can focus later. If your proctors forget to mute their microphone, it's also okay to politely ask them to mute themselves.

Restrain water intake

You will allow bringing a clear bottle of water (around 20 ounces), but may want to use it considerably. I nervously drank the whole bottle over my second RC section, and ended up focusing on something else than fully dedicated to the test in my last section. I might score slightly better if I did not abuse the water resource XD

You can eat in front of the camera but cannot miss the check-in after the break

There will be a 10 mins break before your third section, and you will have to click "check-in" within this 10 mins in order to continue the test. Even if you click at the 5-minute, the test will not be resumed until it reaches the full 10 mins break. So if you are really afraid of losing minutes or forget to click in, just click "check-in" first, and then do whatever helps you with the test (whatever that does not violate the LSAC rule; no phone or any other electronic devices. But it's a perfect snack time!)

After finishing the test, do not close the test window immediately.

Check with your proctors, and they will guide you to exit safely.

Additionally, to my international test-taking fellows: don't let the "language barrier" (or whatever other people may have said) discourage you. You don't have to be an English master to write the test. But I would suggest starting a personal LSAT vocab dictionary for unfamiliar words from stimulus or passages, such as legal terms. Some of these terms are not familiar to native speakers either. Don't be discouraged -- everyone was once a beginner!

Good luck to everyone! Please feel free to reach out if you have any question about test prepping! I am happy to help!

QS

Hello,

I'm having a very hard time understanding the unscored section.

So far as I can see, the LSAT will always have at least one of each of the three section types, with one additional experimental section—that is unscored—drawing from any of those three types. Thus, there are a total of 4 sections when you go to take the LSAT, but only 3 count toward your score.

Thus, I am having a hard time understanding why each of the PrepTests I have taken so far have four sections, all of which appear to be scored. My most recent practice test had my get a score out of approximately 26 for each of the 4, for a total of about 101 available points. That seems to be the case for any raw score conversion of any available PrepTest. But if one of those four sections was experimental, why are we getting scored for it? Why can't I identify which one of the sections on these old tests was experimental and thus not consider it in my actual score?

Am I missing something? Did the LSAT only recently change to having 3 scored sections? What is the disconnect here?

Thanks

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Hello everyone,

I've noticed that one of my main problems (other than timing, which I hope will come with time - pun intended) is not understanding the stimulus correctly.

I say this while referring to questions with 4/5 or 5/5 difficulty. Sometimes, however much I read the stimulus it does not make any sense. I've also noticed that the more I spend time trying to formulate what is happening and removing banter from these overly complex sentences, the more I tend to get lost. It's like my brain gives up.

I have started trying to rephrase every sentence in the stimulus on paper to try to get myself used to doing it mentally, though I am not sure how effective that will be (i'll happily report after a week or two of trying this)

But, does anyone have any tips? Should I spend sometime reading dense literature to get used to it? Is my lack of strong vocabulary the problem??

Any tips and tricks are welcome.

Thanks in advance

I am taking a brief study break and reviewing in my mind some of the things I know or have learned. However, when I look at the things I need to review and learn it's like OMG, brain freeze, headache, got to step away from it all for a second, regroup and return back to it.

How do we deal with all this information? I feel like there are so many skills to know and learn in such little time. As soon as I master one technique, it's like I have to review the other techniques that I have forgotten. I am trying to stay focused, but SMH.....

Any suggestions????

I hope I landed at least in solid 150s on my November LSAT as this is already much improvement from prior scores on file.

However, there is a school I am interested in the 25th percentile is low 160s and my GPA is slightly above their 25th percentile.

Should I sign up to write January LSAT and then apply? Or just apply with hopefully November score is in solid 150s?

Context: I am an URM and wrote the 4 times already which includes November 2021 administration. I worked and was involved during undergrad and graduate school.

In regards to other application components. I am planning on submitting an LSAT addendum, trying to craft stellar statements, and hoping to secure strong letter of rec.

I have 171 from lsat 5 years ago when it was disclosed and all-paper.

New RC was always difficult for me, and at the time I took it, the LSAT was using newer/more-difficult RC. I got -5 on rc but couldn't improve it further. I just couldn't finish the section in 35 mins, no matter how hard i tried. In real test I only had 5 mins for the last passage, and I just guessed on most of it, hence -5. Given enough time, I pretty much go perfect in the section.

Now I'm considering retake, but it seems uphill battle due to several issues, main ones being 1) the test has more weight for RC in Flex 2) the test is computer-based, which makes reading for RC/marking difficult and doing LG much more difficult for me.

Does the retake make sense? How difficult is computer-based test compared to olden paper-based?

Anyone else who went through similar issues, how did you improve, and tips for improving RC?

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