Hi everyone,

I've been seeing some discussion posts of people who have been getting burnt out from studying. I am writing this after taking a week long break from studying for the LSAT. I take the LSAT on the 15th of this month and I usually study 6 days and two hours everyday. Ive been doing this pretty much all year and some of last year too. I have finally gotten pretty much to where I want to be. I took the LSAT last august and got a 156 and now I'm scoring in the 170's. Knowing that I've been making good progress, I decided to take a break. Usually, it's quite fun to take the test and know I'm doing well and improving but it was getting to the point where I was about to start dreading studying. Once I was about to hit that point, I knew it was time for a break and let me tell you ... it was much needed. I feel much better about going into the test and I am ready to get my study on for the next two weeks!

For those test takers who are also taking the test this months, let's take a breath and applaud ourselves for all of the hard work we've done in order to get where we are! I wish everyone happy testing and high scores!!

Hello, I'm inputting my PT86 answers from Law Hub where all sections are LG-LR-LR-RC. In order to ensure I did the right LR section for analytics here I did the LG, 1st LR and RC. It appears the "flex" option here has the LR sections backwards so the LR I completed is the one being removed when I select flex. I'd really appreciate an option to just select which LR is being graded when inputting a PT.

This is not the first time I experience this issue, and again, my analytics keep getting thrown off by having to do the "correct" LR section at another time. Please if anyone could provide some help with this issue I would be grateful. I'm mostly here for analytics. Having 2PT's so far not being able to accurately reflect my performance is becoming frustrating.

I know there are a few posts regarding the same topic but I don't think there has been one after the June 2022 elongation announcement, so here it goes.

I just found the "simulate FLEX" function for PTs. I am thinking of applying to law school in 2023 hence I'm curious as to whether the 3-section FLEX format will continue onwards from June 2022, because I am unsure in what format I should be doing my PTs.

Does anyone know? Any help/advice/comments would be very appreciated.

Hey guys, I'm a 2022 test taker just really cautious about the fact that there are a limited # of PTs + its mentally draining to go through just one PT.

I took a diagnostic about a week ago and scored a 155. However I took it in Khan Academy, and 7Sage is requiring me to take another PT (the June 2007 one) as indicated on its syllabus.

After my K.A diagnostic I've only studied new concepts in LR and just merely went over my answers in RC and LG. Should I take the suggested PT right now? If not, when should I take it?

Hi Friends !

I'm taking the LSAT for the second time in a couple weeks. The first time around I scored a 162.

This time, my scoring has hit a consistent 167 in most of the PrepTests i've taken (mostly 70s or 60s). Recently I've been feeling a bit bored or unmotivated, maybe just fatigue. Today I scored a PrepTest...160... I'm sad to see such a drop off. In my review, I feel like I missed questions and don't even know why I chose the AC I did ! Where's my head !

Any tips? Should I just take a few days off or is this a sign of something worse ?? Do I consider not writing? :S I feel nervous about taking time off so close to my sitting.

I write in 2 weeks, hoping to not score anything lower than a 165/166.

Let me know what you think !! All thoughts are welcome, thank you (3(/p)

WARNING LONG READ

Hi yall, it has now been approximately a month since i got my LSAT score and I really wasn't sure how I was feeling and lost with what to do with my life so I guess this post is kind of late. I wasn't really sure if I was going to post this but I thought the community was always helpful when I was feeling down so I thought I could shed some light on others.

Time Spent: Approx 3+ years on and off. 135ish ( never took a diagnostic but did them untimed) ---> 168. Wrote it like 4 times

Resources Used: Official LSAT Prep Tests Book, LSAT Trainer, Kaplan, Princeton, All of the Powerscore Books, The Loophole, 7sage, pretty much read all of the LSAT books in publication, have written every question once if not 2x 3x 4x

First of all, I was not skilled at the LSAT in fact I was quite stupid to be frank. You know how your suppose to do the first 10 questions in LR in the first 10 minutes ...... yea I was getting like 2 right untimed in the first ten. God knows how many i'll get wrong in the whole section. It sucks but that is the harsh reality. Everyone says the test is learnable and that is true.... but it's just the fact that people learn at different rates and well, if you are not skilled at reasoning nor ever had formal training in logic, nor read much in your younger years then its going to take quite a while ..... However rest assured you will make it, it's just how much you are willing to sacrifice. I literally know a girl who studied for 2 months and got a 172, also recently I got recommended on YT to this girl's channel studyquill and watched her cold diagnostic a 168. DERP DERP DERP. But the point is and I want you guys to know this is that these people have literally been studying their WHOLE lives (just subliminally). They are extremely well read, most likely been trained in logic at a young age, and probably to a certain extent quite gifted. The LSAT is a skills test and if you have been sharpening on these specific skills (logical reasoning, reading, spatial reasoning) you are rewarded. Someone like me that spent his time playing video games....... well its going to be a grind.

In the first part of my studying, I initially just bought the LSAT tests. You know the ones that says 10 new actual official PT's, yea those ones. I would write them untimed in the beginning just to get a good feel of the test. In hindsight, I don't think this is terrible as I actually believe that you should accustom yourself to what they are asking. I have no idea that they were testing on deductive reasoning, heck I didn't even know what that was. I was bringing in inductive reasoning and that honestly kills you on the LSAT. The LSAT only cares about what is on paper. I wish someone told me that earlier but I honestly wouldn't have been able to separate my inferences as that was so foreign to me. I think I did this for a few months hoping that the more questions I do, I would just naturally get better. Oh yea, don't do that. You need to know specific concepts on the LSAT if you were never taught that. I had no idea what a necessary assumption yet alone what was a sufficient assumption. I would pick that answer like it was a main point and hope that it was right LMAO. I remember thinking that I liked sufficient assumption questions more then NA since SOMETIMES I got it right when my method was just to pick something that sounds like the main point. Clearly my dreams of scoring in the 170's was not happening. Anyways, I ended up being gifted a Kaplan Logical Reasoning book. It's actually quite good TBH, I actually think its better than the powerscore one which everyone seems to go to. Well after reading it, I figured out the different types of questions but MOST importantly, I LEARNED what even was DEDUCTIVE REASONING. Like jesus, I had to stop thinking what was going on in my day to day life and learn how to focus only on the FACTS on the paper. Oh yea I think I almost figured out what a premise is. It's something that supports the conclusion ...... Well actually KNOWING and actually SEEING is completely different. I highly recommend for improvement in LR to literally map out the whole section on every question what is the premise and draw an arrow to the conclusion. It's super important to ingrain good habits, believe me it will save you a lot of time improving.

Okay, so now I finished the book. Lets see where am I at, okay -12 to -15 on an untimed section of LR hmmmm quite bad but that's improvement! I just needed to sharpen my skills. So here we go, I bought a set of Powerscore Bibles and started working through them. I read every single page and worked through all of them. I also read a princeton book and a not so good barrons or something along the way. I think I was beginning to grasp the concepts of the questions. However, I was STILL SUFFICIENTLY lacking. If you never had a formal education in reasoning a lot of the concepts you need is just not covered in depth in a lot of these books. However, if your diagnostic is high then it may be enough. All of these books are thicc and they just won't have enough space to add even more. I wish I had found 7sage sooner.

Anyways, a year or so has passed and I have now read all these books. Okay, so I'm probably PTing at about 145-150 at this point. Not great but from where I came from, its actually quite nice. I obviously didn't see it like that cus I wanted that 170. My mindset was 170 or die. I think I wrote the LSAT once during this time when it was offered on paper just to test the water. I mean my parents, friends, and family knew I was studying all the time and kind of just expected me to have something to show for it. I was nowhere near ready but it is at this point that those around you will start pressuring you and YOU WILL feel huge amounts of social anxiety and depression. So I went in there thinking I could just clutch it. In my mind I was like yea, maybe if I just needed some pressure to bring out my A game. I was most likely PTing around the 150s thinking I could just KOBEEE my way to the 165s and call it a day. Yea that didn't happen.

Well anyways, I obviously didn't give up and continued my journey. Finally here comes 7sage!~ The star of the show has arrived but oh crap man is that curriculum long AF. I think I forced myself and tried to speed through it. Big mistake. The curriculum is extremely long and daunting but for someone like me, it was what I needed but didn't realize. A lot of the times I didn't feel like studying but I just kept grinding at it. That's a good mindset to keep grinding but learning the LSAT takes a lot of time and you actually need to KNOW the concepts if you want to score high. You need to make sure your mind is right and actually UNDERSTAND rather than trying to beat it into your head like me. Anyways after the curriculum I think I was touching the 155 - 160s on a good day. Back to my bad habits of trying to write every single question and improving like that. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ! You are being tested on your reasoning and brute forcing reasoning will only take you so far. I think I was on my second year of studying for the LSAT and here was when I got a study buddy. She realized that even though I finished the core curriculum my UNDERSTANDING of it was sub-par. You not only need to know contrapositives and negations, but you NEEDED to do it FAST ! She made me redo the core curriculum, yes the whole thing ........ I dreaded it, I hated it, but it was what I needed. J.Y's teaching is golden, he literally gives you the most in depth step by step approach.

Okay so 2 years has passed and remember when I said that you'll feel social anxiety and depression. Yea YOU ARE REALLY going to feel it now. I no longer talk to my friends and family about what I'm doing. I can't even look at them in the eye, that's how bad it was. I think I lied about what I was doing in my room, but literally I was consuming every video ever posted by J.Y. like so many times it was ridiculous. I think I was scoring around the 160s now after going through the CC twice. Guess what I did, I thought I knew enough and continued grinding through PT after PT. Yea that's just a pit of depression when you keep seeing you are getting the same score over and over again. You literally have to figure out WHY you are getting the questions wrong. If you don't understand the reasoning ( and I know it can be hard when you have no one ) you are NOT going to get the next similar question right. IT IS SIMPLY NOT HOW IT WORKS. The LSAT is f' in hard and it will tear you apart time after time just in a subtler shade of meaning. So grab yourself a study buddy and go at it, you need someone to hash out WHY specifically your reasoning is wrong. If you like to do this yourself, type out why each and every answer choice is right / wrong and post it in the comments section. This will hold you accountable.

Ah so finally, stuck in the 160s and not sure what to do. You think you know but in reality you know nothing. Yes, I did the curriculum a third time. If 7sage had a tracker on how much time you spent watching their videos, I think I would be in the 99th percentile rank 1. You want to score in the 165s and beyond you not only have to KNOW you have to do it LIGHTNING FAST. It becomes almost like intuition. Contrapositives, negations, sufficient assumption, necessary assumptions, etc. you going to be REAL QUICK !

So here we go again, into the third year.... most likely most of you won't be able to fathom what I was feeling. Friends, family, relationships ..... yea no one knew that I was still trying. I think its actually advantageous to keep it this way if you are struggling. It keeps the anxiety off when no one bombards you with " ARE YOU STILL STUDYING?". Logical reasoning I was doing good now, I mean ... I think I wrote every single question like 3 times..... I think I have also written every single PT multiple times. But you know what I still can't get around RC. It's just so hard when you didn't spend time reading growing up. ( I only read finance books) At this stage I was drilling RC every single day since it kept me out of the high 160's and 170s. I think I wrote every single RC passage like 4 times and I still don't get them all right. Going -5 to -6 was a good day. I think I might have to just give up on my dream on scoring in the 170s and live with a 168.....

Oh yea I forgot to tell ya my GPA is atrocious so hopefully ONE law school will take a chance on me in Canada...... Hopefully for those of you struggling this has cheered you up! There is ALWAYS someone in a worst off place than you are and I believe I might just be that person.

I would like to give a special thanks to my study buddy @Vibrio, I know your home isn't in a good place right now and I wish you all the best. You were an amazing study buddy pushing me to the limits going through the CC multiple times even though I was angry.

Thank you to @jmarmaduke96 for offering to tutor me and changing my studying methodologies on the come-up when I had no one to talk to. He is an amazing tutor and would highly recommend anyone to get taught by him.

Thank you @Sami for always being a gem to the community. I would always go to her workshops to learn from her. She is an absolutely amazing person and I would highly recommend her!

Thank you @J.Y. Ping and the whole community here at 7sage you are absolutely amazing and making a change in the world.

AMA also if you are feeling unwell and just need someone to talk to please feel free to DM me as I probably have experienced everything you are feeling I am still not feeling great at the moment as I'm not sure where my life will take me but perhaps I know the answer to your questions without knowing mine . If you need help on an LR question send me a DM and I will try to do my best to explain it to you as I got really good at explaining questions (went near perfect on the exam) since I came from the worst possible. I think being one of the most stupidest has trained me at explaining things to other not so bright minds

Also for those of you wondering how I was able to afford this time, I was trading stocks and options in the morning before I began studying for the LSATs. I was luckily enough that I could do this. Good luck to you all you will make it if you want it bad enough !!

I began studying for the LSAT in late May in anticipation for the August test. I read through a short book on term logic, which turned out to be a very helpful primer for understanding logical rules and conditionals. After reading the book, I began the Core Curriculum in mid June and completed it in early to mid July. I then began practice tests. I have just a few practice tests under my belt, but I am not scoring higher than my diagnostic score, and I'm finding that I'm not consistently within time for sections.

I'm rather concerned on a few things: 1) Is it even worth taking the August test if I'm still no where near I want to be as of today in terms of my score? 2) The lack of significant improvement despite performing well during the Core Curriculum is bothersome. Would a tutor be a good option for this sort of situation?

Thanks.

Hello,

I've been studying what I thought was hard for three months for the LSAT and I realized I need to try a tutor. I live on the East Coast of the U.S, and need help most of the help with LR and LG. Please dm if you are a tutor that could work with me online or even in person.

Best wishes and good luck to everyone

** thank you so much! Just found a great tutor :)

I took the June test and scored in the bottom of my target range but still relatively satisfied. I am scheduled to take the August test in a couple weeks. I took some time off post-June test, but I've now been studying consistently for a month (with a week break mixed in).

I've since started working full time, and my study time has been reduced significantly. My PT scores are much lower than my June score and have been stagnant over the last 2 weeks. I'm sure it's some form of burnout, but I've found that the more time I take off the more my score suffers. With my test in 2 weeks I don't think I can afford anymore breaks.

Has anyone experienced something similar? Should I just power through or cancel my August test? Any advice at all would be appreciated.

Thanks!

I know this has been asked time after time... but I want to know what people are thinking right now -- how do you get your timed score to match your blind review score?

I've watched the webinar on this from 7sage, and I know I'm in "stage 3" (I think) where my blind review is my target score. But my gap is not decreasing!

I got a 155 on my diagnostic in Khan Academy and was going to start out with a PT at 7sage so I could study according to the analytics. The resources I have right now are Khan Academy and 7sage (Ultimate subscription + LSAC Prep Plus).

However I read a few past posts and everyone was saying to go through the curriculum first then start with the PTs, because the PTs are precious. I agree with them and also think it'd be a good idea to go through the comprehensive curriculum because basing off my studies on the errors I had in 1 PT sounds a bit myopic.

Would it be a good plan to go through the entire curriculum, make/do problem sets of parts I found difficult, foolproof certain parts then start with the PTs? For other tests I usually learn the most by full PTing but I understand that resources for the LSAT are limited.

Just curious how everyone else reached their dream scores using 7sage. Thank you.

I have been listening to the podcasts and some of them suggest recording the PTs and re-watching them later. How do people do this (if they do). Like logistically, how do you record yourself taking a practice PT in the most effective manner?

It's not exactly expensive ($40), but I'm just wondering if the info is even worth absorbing.

Hi all, I was wondering where and how we schedule our time for the August test? Do we just receive an email from LSAC this afternoon and we’ll be guided from there? Thanks.

Full disclosure, this isn't a post to vent. I'm genuinely looking for advice and hoping that people scoring better than I will be able to provide me with some tips, encouragement, advice, etc.

I graduated in 2020 with a bachelors and a 4.00 GPA (4.07 CAS). I then grabbed a master's degree because the job market was shit in my area and I was fortunate to go to a MUCH better known institution. I graduated in May of this year with a 3.59 GPA in the Master's program and received numerous scholarly awards. My softs are T-3 (Eagle Scout, Masters, President of school organizations, etc). I hope this isn't coming across as bragging. I just want to provide a little info about myself for assessment.

My problem, like many others, is the LSAT. I used a tutor for the beginning of my studies but we never PT'd. Expensive mistake. I registered for 7sage in December, took a diagnostic, and got a 149. For reference, the tutor was summer of last year, and the Diagnostic (2007 June) was in December. I stopped studying bc of the Master's and started again in June.

Now, after starting in June, my scores have been all over the place. I initially PT'd on Feb. 97' with a 161. Followed by a 160 on PT 36. "Amazing!" I thought. I was studying about a 2-3hrs a day. This was roughly a month ago.

Fast forward to the past two weeks. I went to a 153 (PT 60) to a 154 (PT70) to a 156 today (PT M2020). This is a drop in about 8-9 questions. I've been told that the tests have gotten harder overtime - I get it. I can't help but feel flabbergasted, frustrated, stupid, probably burned out, but most of all, disappointed. I have no one to blame but myself and I own that.

I originally was planning to take the test for August. My goal score is a 165-166. I haven't canceled but I probably will. Don't know what to do. I absolutely refuse to quit on this because being a lawyer and going to law school is what I want to do. Some might say, "okay, so just keep studying and take in October?" My problem is I'm starting a BITCH of a job in Early October that'll probably drive me into the ground (easy 80-90 hour weeks for 6 months out of the year / 50 for the rest). This is a job that I need because I'm trying to financially help my parents who are ill.

As the title says, any assessment/help/encouragement/thoughts are appreciated. I think I'll probably cancel and take a week off. I'm hoping I'm not too stupid for a 165.

Hey all. I'm writing to ask for some advice about the upcoming August test for which I'm registered. I've been studying for about 9 months and for most of that time, I saw a significant increase in my score. I was testing consistently twice per week with PT60s and PT70s and getting a few points above my target score. Now that I'm testing in the 80s, I'm scoring well below where I was in the PT70s. Logic Games have stayed consistent (-3/-4) but my LR and RC went from around (-3/-4) each to (-9/-10). How is that even possible?

I've read lots of posts about how the tests don't change much and they're scaled accordingly, but I am honestly convinced that the PT80s LR and RC sections are significantly harder than the PT60s and PT70s. The questions are more challenging, and the wrong answers seem way more tempting and way more difficult to parse out. Is anyone else finding this to be the case?

I'm seriously considering cancelling my registration, because if I'm testing this poorly 2.5 weeks out, I know it'll only be worse come actual test day. sigh

Where are PTs past May 2020? Are they not released by the LSAC? or Is there something to do with FLEX?

Hello all,

I work in the General Counsel's office of a large area hospital and I had planned to take my LSAT in one of our conference rooms or offices. The issue is, while it does not bother me, will the emergency helicopter landing right outside my window (or close enough), set-off any sort of trigger to the proctor or possibly disqualify my exam? As I said, I work through this sound every single day and it doesn't affect me, but I just realized that might pose a problem with the Proctor. Any advice or experiences with very loud external noises during the exam that are out of your control? TIA

Last week I took two practice tests and scored a 157 and a 156. A couple weeks prior to those, I scored a 161.

Fast forward to today, I just scored a 163. Are these types of fluctuations normal?? Im taking the August test and obviously would like to score in the 160's but I don't understand why my scores aren't consistent.

I love taking PT's on 7Sage. It's easy and intuitive. I especially love the multi-colored highlighting features for singling out context, premises and conclusion. What I want to know is if I will be thrown for a loop when I take the official LSAT in October? How much different, if at all, will it be? Will features like highlighting still be available?

I've been studying pretty regularly and do only a few hours a day to try and avoid burnout. But starting this past weekend, I feel... tired? Like not physically tired but just tired of the exam overall. I've been on the grind for so long that I've grown tired of studying for it as well as dealing with all the highs and lows that come with the exam.

Took a LR section today and shockingly got -9 when I usually get -3/-4. I definitely felt that my attention was scattered and my desire to study and review after was pretty low.

Is this LSAT fatigue? Anybody else feel this or know how to counter it? I thought limiting my studying and sleeping well was helping so I'm not sure what is going on..

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Hello all,

Going to spill a lot of feelings here so please refrain from any judgmental comments. I last took my LSAT in Feb and got a 145, I took about two months off after that, and started studying 3-4 nights a week, 1-2 hours at a time until mid June, it is the end of July now and I just took about 1 week off because I was honestly getting burnt tf out. I decided to study by section, so I’m just finishing up my Logical Reasoning but my most recent and best so far is -10 which is still bad. I have yet to fully study games and RC since I plan to take my exam again in October and want it to be my last. I need a 150 to get into my school so it can’t be too hard right?

Well it’s tough, I am drained by the time I come home at 5 PM, I go train in the gym for an hour or two, still have to cook, study, and I want to be in bed by 10 every night. I’m using 7Sage alone and have tried bibles, LSAT trainer and not really fond of them. I’ve been on here before seeing how I can improve my comprehension and understanding but I’m still getting -10 on LR by itself, and it is super, super discouraging. I’ve also contemplated on if this career is right for me, as I am scared to get into something that will put me into a lot of debt, possibly a lot of stress, and something that I could regret. I have a reason to get into law, as I have a personal connection with knowing how hard it can be for those who cannot advocate for themselves, and that is where I want to help, plus the idea of law just really fascinates me. So I’m curious, what do you all do when you’re in this state of mind of “Can I do this?” “Is this career going to be the one for me?” I am 22 years old and done with my undergrad already so I’m just trying to get on with the next step of my life. I know it is truly possible to get an increase in score but I’m not sure if it’s something to do with me since I have tried multiple study programs and still not making that much improvement, like I’m un-teachable or something. To end this rant, I was wondering if any of you had any true, raw advice for someone like me who is questioning everything and feeing doubtful about improving my score. I’m prepared to hear some honest truth here.

Thanks!

Hi! does anyone have any idea about how 7sage scores 3 sections and if that's reliable?

For example I took PT85 now and have -1(RC), 0 (LG), -6 (LR 1st section), -6 (LR 2nd section), missed questions is 4 sections which gets me a score of 168 (4 sections calculated), but if I get rid of one of the LR sections from being scored (switching to flex mode/only 3 sections for scoring) it shows up as 172.

Does anyone have any recommendations for scoring 3 sections while practicing with 4 sections?

Hi everyone!

So i’m sure everyone knows that the August LSAT is now 4 sections, one of which is experimental, therefore it’s not being scored. Since 7Sage doesn’t have the option to take a 4 section exam with one un-scored section, do you guys think taking a PT test will provide an accurate measure of what score we will get? Also, if we get a high score on the PT does that mean there’s a good chance we won’t score as high on the actual test? All thoughts/responses are appreciated ! :)