Hey so I’m just starting to PT. I was wondering if it’s normal to PT, BR, and Check answers each on different days? Since this score has tons of wrong answers (I’ve done 2 pt’s and got 140, and143), I feel like to do all 3 in one day and try another PT right after seems a bit excessive.

10/26/2021 Update: I am currently a 2L at USC Gould. Feel free to DM me questions about the LSAT, the application process or law school. My journey was far from ideal, but I hope I can provide some insight.

Overview of my journey:

I'm writing this for a bit of inspiration for anyone that is in need of it because my journey was not easy, but it sure paid off because I stuck to it.

I studied on/off for nearly two years total. My diagnostic was a 144 back in Jan 2017. After finishing the 7Sage CC, I was sitting at a 152 in May of 2017. I made sure to really take my time with the lessons and I hope everyone does the same as well--it was time well spent and I would definitely do it this way again.

Post CC was really where the grind began. I was dead set on a 170 score.

My first take: 161 in December 2017.

Second take: 161 in December 2018.

After studying for 10 months 5.5 days a week for 8 hours a day, I received the SAME EXACT SCORE.

I was actually depressed after this test. I was emotionally numb for about a month, it was rough. The following weeks post-results felt like a nightmare I would eventually wake up from. In particular, LSAT was my life at this point, and to have zero improvement on the only thing I was focused on was one of the toughest feelings out there. Most of all, I had nobody to blame but myself.

I took a two month break and got back to hitting the test hard again for 4 months.

Third take: 166 in June 2019.

Same study plan, but I used the BEST tutor, @"Cant Get Right." I'm not sure how the rules are for plugging people, but he was just phenomenal with picking out my weaknesses and helping me combat them in an understandable way. I cannot say enough great things about Josh. Here is his website. https://www.nevermorelsat.com/

Top 3 tips:

DO NOT USE ALL THE PT MATERIAL. I cannot stress this enough. I would feel so confident after blind reviewing a PT from learning an immense amount from it that I would take another right away WITHOUT drilling weaknesses. Not surprisingly, I would receive similar scores, on average, because I failed to address weaknesses. Sure I spent days on BR ripping apart questions, but what's that worth if I never addressed the underlying problem by drilling it away? Make sure to save PT material and use it wisely. Personally, I ran out and that created a ton of unnecessary problems. Without drilling in-between PTs, I would waste limited PTs on full tests to receive very little benefit from using all that material. Please don't make this mistake.

Good, bad, or otherwise, DO NOT let the overall score get to you, ever. When practicing for this test for an extended amount of time, the most important thing to know for keeping one's mental in the right place is that an overall score is simply a really poor gauge for your improvement. Seems a bit counterintuitive, right? Of course, to combat this, 7sage takes the last 5 PTs and averages them for your improvement score. Although this is more accurate, it's still a poor indicator of IMPROVEMENT. Allow me to explain why. LSAC has thousands of tricks that they use. Some happen more than others. It takes time to learn these tricks and just because you learned a few new tricks or new ways of thinking on your most recent PT BR, that doesn't mean those aspects are going to be tested again in the next PT you do. It actually would make sense that ideas being testing on in, let's say, PT61, are going to be testing totally different tricks than those used in PT60, since the previous test may have been released for people to study it. For example, LSAC is NOT likely to put two 5 star questions with a very similar small trick in them, in sequential PTs. But some people take PTs in sequential order. So while you are actually improving, you are likely being tested on the areas you have yet to ever see. So please don't look at the final score and think THAT is the measure of your improvement.

Here is an optimistic way of thinking that helped me keep my drive, despite the scores: The more missed questions, the more opportunities I had to fix problems. The more problems fixed, the less problems I could potentially run into on test day if I ran into a similar question/topic.

The only aspect that should be celebrated or frowned upon are similar questions that you've studied before/have seen and now on this second time: 1) you recognized the similarity or not, 2) you got it right or not, 3) you skipped it or not (strategically) 4) you got it correct again, but faster or not. Situations like this are a direct measure of improvement and they are key to watch out for.

This community has helped me so much. So if anyone wants to chat about anything LSAT related, has any questions, or simply wants to vent, please feel free to DM me :D

What a journey this one was and I would not be in this position without 7Sage and the community.

Thank. You.

I did PT 78 today (spoiler alert?)

I got stuck on a few LR questions I did not realize were difficult until I spent 2 minutes on them (I read the stimulus slow, but I only realize a qusetion is difficult once I get through all the ACs).

I also noticed the last RC passage was easiest, but was put off by the "science" topic (and I saw it had very few questions, so I figured it would be hard). I spent too much time on the second passage, which I found the hardest since I had no clue what was going on

I was hesitant to start the last passage because I did not want to be "jumping" aorund, or what if the last passage was harder? Did I waste all this time?

So, this sounds like a stupid question but -- how do you know when to skip? How do I know if an LR question will be easy or hard? Sometimes what looks easiest, given the stimulus and the passage, turns out to be the hardest, and vice versa.

I know when to skip games (think PT 77 game 3 lol yikes)

Does anyone have any advice on this issue? :)

they are killing my score!!!

I've been doing tiny summary of each paragraph. is this still a good idea?

HELP

Would be possible for the site to display the target time for each game in the analytics summary after each problem set or PT rather than just on the explanation page for each game? No worries if not, I just thought I'd ask!

Hi Everyone!

I have a couple of questions about the digital LSAT.

I know there are a few differences between 7Sage's platform and the actual test, but I looked at the digital tester provided by LSAC and noticed that you can select your section and the number of questions per section appear at the bottom. I am doubtful that this will be the format for the actual test (seems too good to be true), but does anyone have any insight about this?

Also, how much time is there between sections (not including the break, of course)? I am thinking it's somewhere between 5-10 seconds?

Lastly, is anyone aware of any restrictions pertaining to medications that can be brought into the testing room?

Thanks in advance!!

Hi everyone,

I have lately been feeling really defeated and frustrated with this exam and the whole journey to law school. This is my second time applying to law school (Candian law schools). I wrote the LSAT last January and got a really low score. I started studying again mid July. I have started to hit 155 untimed. My aim is 160- 165. Even a 160 would do at this point. I have realized that you need to be patient with this exam. I have been wrong to expect immediate results. That has been my biggest mistakes. This time I am taking as much time as I need to study the concepts, and learn them well. I am also focusing on my weaknesses. I feel that will really help with increasing my score. My LG score ranges 18-22, but I struggle with timings. I am scoring 13-17 on the LR. In that area I keep getting the same type of questions wrong (which is good because then I just can practice on my weaknesses).

My question is,

Am I being realistic with thinking that I can go from 155 untimed to 160-165 timed by January. I do not want to make the same mistake and assume that I will be ready by a certain time. The reason why January is an option because majority of the schools I applied to accept that as the last score. Only 2-3 schools accept the February score, which is also an option). But that would be super late in the cycle, but would get me a good score.

Any advice would be appreciated. Really losing hope at this point :(

Thanks.

Hi. I purchased LSAT Starter pack and bunch of extensions, Prep tests 83, prep tests 85-88.

In this post,

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/21740/i-bought-a-starter-pack-with-bunch-of-extension-would-i-still-see-pt-88-lg-with-this-condition

In this previous post which I tagged, a 7 Sage administrator ( I am assuming) responded that I will STILL have LG explanation video access for the Preptests I purchased and paid for even after November 15th.

Right now, I do not have an access to PT 88 and any other Preptest i purchased 's LG explanation videos, even though i paid and purchased the right to access. So I hope some fixing can be done.

Just needed to share this with someone, it has been incredibly hard to miss out on so many social events, be isolated from people and not be as healthy (neglecting gym and nutrition) as a result of studying so much! I was feeling really down today, but took a PT anyway.

The RC section was absolutely brutal, I flagged like 9 questions and was sure this was gonna be my worst score yet. I guess this also serves as a valuable lesson to never give up and not try and guess how you did mid-test, just move on and persevere!

Actually slightly upset with myself for letting myself get demotivated by the RC section. I may have been able to do way better on the last LR section if I didn't get down on myself. But either way I got a 175 and I am quite proud and excited!

I’m sure this has been asked a thousand times, but I’m all desperate and antsy for advice on my particular situation

I’m taking the LSAT on Dec 5th (due to accommodations), and I just can’t seem to improve on LG. I haven’t studied too much for the other sections and tend to average -5 on RC and -10 on LR combined. Yet SOMEHOW, despite spending two months studying for LG, I’ve only managed to get through two of the games, and on my last two PT’s, I could only get through one. What throws me off is the game board setup. I am really, really bad at recognizing what kind of game it is (unless it’s super basic and obvious), and creating an efficient game board. Also, at making inferences. I know that LG is the section that can most be improved upon, and that’s part of what makes me feel so frustrated. I should be leaps and bounds beyond where I am now, given how much I’ve studied. I know there’s a handy PDF for mastering the LG’s, and I intend to drill drill drill the next two weeks, but I’m wondering if any of you sagers have any sage advice? Is there some magical PDF out there that lists every game type and the corresponding board? Once I get the board right, the questions (usually) come easy. The setup just kills me.

Thanks!

By far my worst section is LG. My performance is very inconsistent, sometimes -2/-4 other times -9/-11. I think part of the reason my PT scores have been low is because my anxiety about doing well in this section impacts my thought patterns. There's one week left before the November test, and I thought I'd spend this week working through the hardest (4- and 5-star rated) games to improve my confidence. Do you think this is a good strategy? Is there anything else you recommend I do to improve?

So previously I PTed using newer tests in the 60s and 70s, and logic games seemed to be one of my better sections. However, once I tried taking older tests in the 30s, logic games have become harder out of nowhere for me. Do the older tests just have a harder difficulty to them or something? Anyone else have the same problem?

With the exception of my first, my PTs have been staggeringly low (150s) though my blind review hits the high 160s (one 170). My most inconsistent section is LG (I can be -2/3 or -10/11) and though I've tried foolproofing, I'm still not seeing much improvement. My LR is also somewhat crap, as I can score anywhere from -4 to -8/9. I'm beyond frustrated and crestfallen-- I'm putting in the work (I've been studying nearly full time since June) and am not anywhere near where I want to be.

Here's the problem: taking the January test would significantly reduce my chances of getting accepted this cycle because of the delayed review of my application. And yes, I'd lose $200 which sucks but that's the least of my problems.

Any advice you have here would be hugely helpful.

If you come across a MBT, for example, or if you have game boards that are completely filled in, do you automatically move on once you see your answer, or do you still check each AC to be sure?

I have a few times thought I made all the possible GBs, picked the first answer, then saw if I had kept going through the AC's that I would've noticed two possible correct choices, and realized an error.

If we are going for -0, should we trust the game boards and go on for speed, and hope an error hasn't been made, or do you still spend time checking each one?

Thanks so much!!

Please let me know your thoughts! I don't work for the LSAC, so I know that I'm not a professional. I thought writing a few questions would help my LR studies. If you have time, please let me know what you think, how hard it was, how easy it was, where I made a mistake, etc, thanks!

Heart disease, also known as cardiovascular disease,

is one of the leading causes of death in Country X.

Studies show that individuals who eat a diet high in

trans-fats have a higher chance of being diagnosed with

heart disease. Burritos, a popular Mexican entree commonly

consumed by in Country X, contain high calories. Therefore,

a person who consumes burritos regularly has a higher

chance of being diagnosed with cardiovascular disease.

The argument relies on assuming which one of the following?

A) People of Country X generally know that burritos are unhealthy

B ) If all people eat burritos less, they would invariably be healthier

C) In country X, eating foods with high calories will raise one’s trans-fat

consumption by at least some amount

D) Eating any food with high calories will result in heart disease

E) Generally, refraining from a high fat diet is better than a diet that

includes a high amount of fat

On the real exam, can you change the timer countdown so that it counts up to 35 minutes rather than show how much time is remaining in the section?

Ummm, the thing is that i have created a problem set from the question bank and have printed out its pdf edition.But how can i get my answers checked? I've found out that the sequence of the questions on my printed edition is different to it on the problem set took online. So does that mean i must do it again on the online based problem set?

Hello,

I've been studying the LSAT since December 2018. I've gone through the PowerScore and Manhattan books with a diagnostic of around 158 with an ultimate goal of 175. I've been dedicating 20 hours per week, with a full-time job. I plan to take an April 2020 as well as June or July 2020 LSAT.

For a few months now, I've been focused on drilling question types from PT 7-25 untimed and also started doing some timed sections where I time myself per question in LR. Currently, my strongest section in the LSAT is probably LG, and am quite confident that with enough practice, I can consistently pull out -1 or -2 in the LG section. My weakest section is probably either RC or LR.

I haven't really gone through the entire core curriculum, as I think that PowerScore and Manhattan books covered the similar topics. In fact, I just recently shifted my focus toward taking PT sections timed, and will hopefully move onto full PT timed soon, at a 1 per week frequency with a full blind review. On my recent timed PT (sections were timed but I took long breaks per section), I noticed that my stamina suffered with brain fog toward the end.

The main question: let's imagine that I take the PT 43 fully timed tomorrow. I do a complete blind review, typing out why answers are correct or wrong for the entire week. I then score myself and watch the explanation videos. Then, this data is transferred over to 7Sage Analytics. I imagine the score will be between 158 - 165. What do I do afterward? Do I move straight onto PT44? Or do I identify the priority of question types in the analytics and try to drill them first? If so, how would I drill them (number of questions, how much time to spend, and etc...)? Should I go through the core-curriculum for a specific question type? And when would I really know to move onto a new fully timed PT exam?

Thank you very much for your time!

Hello everyone on this forum. So to make this story short, the November test would be my fourth write if I decide to sit the test. My last score was okay (163) which should enable me to get into my safety schools. But I need at least a 166 for my dream school and my average from the last 5 test is ~3 points below that. I did hit 166 and above several times, but I just don't feel any certainties of getting the score I want, and I am kinda against the idea to try my luck on the test day (since I already took it 3 times...)

I thought about postponing it to January, but I just checked and all the test centres in my region are unavailable. So in the case of withdrawing, I am also pushing back applying to next cycle. Right now I am torn on whether to withdraw and with the Nov. test approaching, I realy want to make the decision asap and redesign my study plan if I need to. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!!

Hello! I haven't taken any of the PT's in the digital format yet because I'm not sure if they MUST be timed (BR excluded). The reason I ask is because I have accommodated testing and am allotted 53 minutes per section, and the digital tests seem to mandate taking each section in the standard 35 minutes. What happens if I don't stop when it tells me my time is up? Will it force me out of the screen, or will it let me continue? I don't want to keep printing them out (so much paper!), but I haven't wanted to risk starting one of the PT's only to be interrupted and have some annoying "Time is up" warning flashing on my screen indefinitely.

Hi guys.

I have been foolproofing LGs for a while now and I am a little more than halfway through (have foolproofed ~20 LG PTs so around 80 individual ones). While I have definitely improved my diagramming skills and in/out logic, I still freeze, make dumb mistakes, and go over the target time on most new games. Like for example, today I did a moderately hard one and got really excited when I hit the time, but then went 3 minutes over on two other easy games. It just doesn’t make any sense.

Is it normal that I’m still struggling with these things? Games destroyed me in the September exam (granted, I took the test knowing I wasn’t fully prepared). It’s just frustrating to still be struggling halfway through foolproofing and seeing everyone else (at least on this site) say it is the easiest section to improve.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated!

(Btw I typed this on my phone so please ignore any typos)

Hi guys,

I am taking the LSAT on January 13th, which is in two months. I have been hitting around the 155-156 range untimed. My diagnostic was a pretty low score, so this is a huge jump for me. I wanted to score around 165, a 160 would do as well. I am not doing anything else other than the LSAT. I have been thinking about drilling practice tests and just focusing on my weaknesses for the next few weeks. In the last month, I was planning to take full timed practice tests, 2-3 every week. I was wondering if this would be a good approach or should I try something different ?. Also, is increasing an untimed score of 155 to 160-165 timed doable in the next two months ?

Thank You

i am less than two weeks away from my test and i am declining in score. I went from 162, 163, 162, 166, 163(tests in the 60's), and now 158(PT 86). I am starting to see maybe my work was a waste of time

After a year of studying starting with a 139 diag and 15 PTs, I finally broke into the 160s and dropped a 163 on PT 50. Thank god haha. Finally starting to put this all together; took me long enough. Thought I’d share my recent glorious victory.

Happy studying to y’all!

I remember there was a tab for webinar videos. I can’t find that anymore. Does anyone know how we can access the webinar videos? Thanks.