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If I am scoring individual sections from an exam, is there anyway to use the analytics/scoring feature to grade only one section -- as opposed to scoring the other sections as incomplete? I intend to use older exams to drill LR and LG, and am not finishing the exams in one sitting, rather, just one section at a time.

Alternatively, does anyone have any suggestions for the best way to do this? I am hoping to identify question types that I am consistently getting incorrect.

Thanks!

If I don't finish the LG questions in CC within the ideal time frame - should I redo it until I do and get all correct and feel like I own it, or should I move on and do this process later on in the drills?

Just feel like I would be spending a lot of time on CC if I wait till I own every question, and these questions are going to appear again in PTs and drills anyway.

As I take more LSATs still under 10 preps tests I am noticing I am getting best sections but can never string together a great whole test. Is there any advice on the best ways to string together whole tests because when I train individual sections I can get down to -2/-4 rather easily. Is it smart to string together multiple sections when I practice between doing whole pretests? Also is it worth using newer logic games than training with old ones?

I just scored my first 170 on a timed PT 69 or usually I score 159-165 with a BR score of 173-175. I'm just so glad to make this break through, but I want to know what tests should I be taking. I want to take the test in July and mayyyybe September if I don't get 168+ What tests should I take now? I was thinking to take evens 70s-80s just to keep the odd ones incase I need to test in September.

PT69 S1 2019-06-16 2 days ago LR -4

PT69 S2 2019-06-16 2 days ago LG -0

PT69 S3 2019-06-16 2 days ago RC -4

PT69 S4 2019-06-16 2 days ago LR -3

How long does a typical blind review take you? How long until you started noticing benefits? Any other study suggestions?

I've been studying for about 4 months, and I was so excited to start this program (1 week ago!) and my score dropped by 7 points... is this normal? Please help I'm freaking out.

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I've been scoring lower on my PT's lately than in the past couple weeks. I have went from several 166's and a 168 back down to 158-162 over my past several PT's. I have had some more trouble focusing as of late, and have made more dumb mistakes, especially on logic games, than normal. Anyone have advice on how to get my scores back up and past my high scores?

Hey Guys,

Just wondering what you guys think about the October 2019 LSAT being on October 28 this year. Would it be a bit too late for applications? I have a very very suboptimal GPA so I want to get my apps in sooner rather than later.

I'm preparing to take July 2019 LSAT. And i guess the consensus is I can't use the freebie for September. Sooooo October LSAT too late for an "early application"? It is basically situated at the end of October so...

As of today, I have been studying the LSAT for exactly one year. I graduated university two years ago and spent one of my post grad years abroad, and upon coming home rushed to take the lsat and did very poorly. The lsat for me is really my last hurdle because everything else (GPA, softs) are in place, and I was really hoping to do well to get into my dream school.

However, I find myself extremely exhausted and wondering how long I can keep this up. I have finished my internships and don't work, and study as much as I can because I do want to do well and push myself sometimes to study 8 hours in a day (unhealthy, I know). I score in the 160s and my average is about a 163-165. I have noticed the newer exams are much harder. I don't want to forget all I have learned, but I used to enjoy waking up early to study and now I wake up exhausted and wanting to go back to sleep. I was scheduled for July but decided to postpone because of my mental and physical exhaustion, and the fact that I haven't hit my goal score (the highest I have gotten is a 167, but want to break a 170 and do so consistently before my exam).

I am wondering if people have any advice about what to do. Should I:

A) get a job and just push the lsat to the back-burner & postpone law school for another year, and start studying when I feel ready again and not so tired?

B ) get something part time and continue studying

C) continue as I am doing right now (full time studying) and try for September and send in all my apps

I have always been extremely motivated and a go getter. But something about the lsat is bringing me down. I won't give up, but just feel how I am now isn't conducive to doing well on the exam.

Any advice would be appreciated.(3(/p)

I am currently going thru my finals and at the same time having Lsat a week away from now.

This situation prob have triggered something in me. Can’t really concentrate on both.

The prep score was improving right on track but once this whole final began, I seem to be lost a bit.

I got 167, 167, 169 on the last three preps before the final began but once it got started, yesterday I scored 162 with 15 RC wrong and today 165 with 6 RC wrong.

On the last 3preps i got 3 wrong on each RC. Messing up like this a week before the real test is making me feel not really relaxed... Actually it’s making me really worried now.

Good thing is that the final’d be over in 3days.

Would this be a temporary thing which can back to the right track once the final ends?

Wonder if anyone has a similar experience.

Advice or tips from anyone would be greatly appreciated.

I’m going through each LR answer and writing down why each wrong one is wrong and why the right answer is right. I would love to keep track of my reasoning. Anyone have any resources or know of any?

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I was wondering if folks have come up with any consistent/effective strategies for use of the 3 highlighter colors and underlining function on the Digital LSAT? This could be something like “Use yellow for premise, orange for conclusion, or use pink for key indicator words” etc.

I could make my own but I’m willing to bet someone else has figured out a good system. If there’s another thread on this I’m missing please feel free to link it!

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Anyone else just get this email from LSAC? Thoughts?

(I just copied the most relevant part)

“In effect starting with the September 2019 test administration, test takers would be permitted to take the LSAT:

Three times in a single testing year (the testing year goes from June 1 to May 31).

Five times within the current and five past testing years (the period in which LSAC reports scores to law schools).

A total of seven times over a lifetime.

This policy is forward-looking, not retroactive. Tests taken prior to September 2019 will not count against these numerical limits. “

Hello everyone,

I finally finished the CC after 7 weeks of studying and I have around a month to do PrepTests and Blind Review but I am kind of lost where to start from here. Should I take a day or two just to review the CC content or should I just take a PT tomorrow morning? Also how should I manage fool proofing the logic games until July? Is 2 hours/day for fool proofing enough until next month?

Thank you for your advices in advance!

Any chance that there is a package that offers tests only to buy and practice online at 7sage. If I can't afford the whole curriculum, I should still be able to practice on the new beta testing for online exams if that kind of package is provided.

Thanks!

Okay I plan to take the test on September 21 and want to get at least 167. I'm using Khan Acadmey guide to the LSAT. I took the diagnostic test and got 159. I've taken three practice test since then but my score has gotten lower with each test going to 155, to 151 and 149. This is really frustrating me and stressing me out as now I'm doubting my skills to do good on the test. Whenever I practice with their practice questions I'm doing worse on them as today I took about 4 different sections focusing on Logical reasoning with regards to strengthening/weakening the argument each with 6 questions and only got at most 2/6 right and 1/6 at worst which further ruins my confidence in my ability to get the score that I want. I try to practice an hour each day by doing these practice sections and I've been doing it since around April but so far there's been no improvement. I'm really getting annoyed, stressed out, and angry at this and fear I won't get the score I need on the actual test. I'm especially having trouble with all aspects of logic games in analytical reasoning, assumptions, flaws and strengthen/weaken with regards to logical reasoning as well as humanities sciences passages with regards to reading comprehension. What can I do to improve my score, and my confidence in taking the test?

Does anybody know the formula US schools use to convert Canadian GPAs?

I have a 3.7 (A-) in Canada but not sure what it will be when I apply to a US law school.

Does anyone else now prefer the digital test? I took PT 37 last weekend, and it was the first PT I'd done in a while. Not just that but my first with the digital. It just felt so much less stressful not having to think about bubbling things in, not worriedly double-checking bubbles, etc. Maybe it's also from being an internet addict. I matched my highest PT score. Having the countdown timer is also kind of nice. The only section where I can see needing a watch is LR maybe since it's good to shoot for 10 in 10, 15 in 15, etc. But even that is something you ideally get down instinctually. I'm taking July and praying for the digital version. I feel like my goal score is going to be more attainable with the digital test - hopefully this won't result in adjustments once the data is in on the new version.

I should add the biggest adjustment was getting used to doing LG digitally. I don't see any way to filter out "signal" from noise without using the highlighter function. I will be doing that myself moving forward, as I previously would circle important details.

I started studying for the LSAT barely able to answer a single question on games. With no training in logic, I essentially had to start from the ground up. I credit 7Sage with allowing me giving me the tools become competent in games. I have been tutoring for about 8 months now and have been working on a system that I try to impart onto my students. Any parallels between the following steps and the advice that others have dispensed is purely coincidental. None of this is reinventing the wheel here, but rather some thoughts I have on LG consistency.

I have titled this thread "The Four Pillars of LG Consistency" for a reason. Notice that I didn't title this thread: "The Four Pillars of LG success." This is because 1.the definition of "success" will vary slightly from person to person, 2. Success has more elements to it than consistency. Consistency is a part of success. This post is better able to answer the question: "how can I keep my sections from being riddled with errors?" rather than "how can I get a -0?" The "pillars" are what emerged for me after doing over 2,000 games and teaching LG for several months. The general thread that runs through each aspect of the pillars is 1.to try to eliminate any "sloppy" errors and 2. knowing the exam well enough to be confident in our approach. Zooming out, what we are trying to do is build competency and eliminate any "mystery" the exam might present. Lets get started:

1.Develop your system whatever your "system" is, develop it and keep it rigorously consistent. Do you write your game pieces in the upper left hand corner each time? Then keep doing that. Do you write your gameboard to the right and your rules to the left? Great, keep doing that. But go deeper, make sure you are making "tick marks" next to your rules each time you write one down. Write your game pieces twice separated by a line: one set you never touch and the other you can scribble out to see what piece is left or what piece is the "floater." Have constant checks that you have properly translated rules. After you have translated all of the rules start from the last rule and read up to the first rule, each time checking that you have translated the rule correct. Read and extract precisely what each rule is telling you. The slogan here with check is: pay now or pay double later. If we made a mistake in translating a rule, we want to be in a position to catch it with our 20 second check rather than midway through the game (we all know that feeling :( ) when you have burnt 2 minutes. Have built in fail-safes. What also goes along with this first pillar is: be neat in your writing, what you are doing is worth money in scholarships.

I will tell a quick story here. When I first started studying for game I spent 6 months and did 1,400 games. I thought I knew what I was doing, I thought I would have that coveted -0. When I did my first timed section, I missed 7. Partially because I drew a "V" that looked like a "U," thereby messing up a rule and ruining my score. All of this stuff has to be solved item by item. For games we are looking to extract three basic things: the rules, our pieces and our gameboard. This information will often be partially contained within the "stimulus" (the block of text to begin a game before our rules.) I cannot understate how important this step it. I have calculated that for us to be consistent on an LG section between 16 and 19 things have to go well. We have to make sure we are translating the rules correctly, we have to make sure we have a neat and coherent system etc. But for things to go bad, just one or two of those things have to fail.

There are several ways to find the inference of a game. The most obvious is to focus on rules in which a piece is mentioned more than once. So if rules 1 and 3 both mention piece "A" we should be asking questions about what these rules mean in combination with each other along with the inherent constirctions of the gameboard (things like we are choosing 5 out of the 8 available in an in-and-out game etc.) Asking questions is a very helpful way to help us find the inference. So if a rule for a grouping game says something like: "piece A must be with exactly one other piece," we should be asking the question: who could that piece be? If in a five space sequencing game we have three pieces that are "followers" we should be asking the question: who can be first?" I believe that essential to finding an inference is asking the right questions.

What can aid us in asking the right questions? That is where the concept of the other side of the coin comes in. A coin has two different sides that express the same thing, we could be looking at the "heads" or the "tails" of a penny and those of us familiar with the penny will know that it is a penny and it has this particular value. Rules on LG are often presented to us in "the positive" or "the negative." By trying to find the other side of the coin we can help ourselves possibly find the inference. So for instance if we have a three group grouping game and piece A cannot go in the tennis group, by telling us that piece A cannot go into the tennis group the other side of the coin for that rule is: A must go in the volleyball or soccer group. It is the same thing stated in a different way, except now we have "the positive" of the rule or "the negative." You probably already do this, but often times the other side of the coin with rules is valuable information. It becomes valuable because questions will often be predicated on us knowing the other side of the coin. Take the aforementioned example. Piece A cannot be in the tennis group, which means piece A must be in the volleyball or soccer group. Another rule might tell us that a piece that piece A must stay away from piece B and a question might tell us that piece B is in the soccer group, which means, since we know the other side of the coin, that piece A must be in the volleyball group.

The other aspect of this step is building on an analogy I use quite a bit with my students. That is where do we start our analysis of the question? The analogy I like to use here is that if the car won't start before we replace the transmission, let's make sure that the car is not just out of gas. This is a variation on Occam's Razor. We start with the least complicated solution-a $5-$10 quick solution- rather than a $700-$900 complicated and long solution. In LG we can often eliminate an answer choice or two from a question by a mere application of our rules. Some choices are never going to work no matter what "If" condition they give us in the question stem is. By starting our analysis here we can possibly eliminate all the wrong answer choices quickly or efficiently or we can eliminate enough o make our "testing" of the available options quicker and more efficient. Take for instance PT 11 game 1 question 2. If we start our analysis of this question by first eliminating what could never be true with a mere straightforward application of our rules, we know that answer choices (A) and (B) violate rule 5 and answer choices (C) and (D) violate rule 4. We essentially do not have to do much work here because we have worked simple to more complex and we eliminated all of the incorrect answer choices on the basis of "checking the gas" i.e. a mere application of our rules. Always try to run answer choices against the rules or your inference or mini inference unless you know the answer from a sub-game board or split etc. We maximize our chances of getting the question correct in many instances.

Knowing the questions also comes down to knowing what to look for when they ask you a straightforward MBT: this is more than likely (but not 100% of the time according that my knowledge) a point that they are rewarding you for finding the inference.

Knowing the questions also comes down to counting the "steps" away something like an "If____, then what MBT?" question form takes. +90% of the time the answer to these questions will be between 1 and 4 steps away from the condition they gave us. So for instance if the if condition they gave us tells us to place something somewhere, we ask ourselves what does that trigger (by consulting our rules that are neatly placed next to our gameboard) that should trigger something, that is 1 "step" away. That thing should trigger something else according to our rules and pieces: that thing is 2 "steps" away. one can effectively predict the answer to these questions by knowing the amount of "steps away" something is from what they have asked us. The LSAT will rarely ask us for 1 step away and will rarely ask us for 4 steps away. Instead, they will be looking for 2-3 steps away most of the time.

LG has stayed remarkably consistent for the better part of 30 years.

4.Knowing what you know and executing that knowledge The last pillar here is the actual application of your knowledge to new games and timed exams. It is one thing to know how to dig deep into the games, it is another to be so comfortable with being able to do that that you can apply that knowledge to new games in a concise and coherent fashion. This is where a focused process of drilling comes into play. When you drill, look at all of the above pillars, consciously apply your system to the game, do each game several times, you will start to see the patterns upon which the games are built.

Feel free to reach out with any questions.

David

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I heard that people who take the lsat abroad take a different test than people who take it in the U.S. I don't have that many fresh lsat tests remaining and I don't want to retake tests that I have already done so I was wondering if there is a way for me to obtain the lsat tests that they use in Asia or Europe?