Is there any way I can upgrade to Ultimate+, pay the difference and get the extra time? This has been so amazing and I wasted my time before using Powerscore. I had no idea the course would be THIS effective for me compared to others in just a matter of a week (I've been studying for about a month and my score has already drastically improved on the games)

Hello 7Sagers! I've finally finished the core curriculum. I'm torn as to what I should do next. Should I A.) start taking full length PTs and BR them, B.) Work through some drilling materials to refresh materials like LR I haven't touched in a few months, then start taking timed PTs and BR, C.) a combo of both establishing a baseline with a post core curriculum PT score and working with drilling materials in weak areas, or D.) full proof for the next month on games before beginning full length PTs? Thoughts and advice on this would be much appreciated.

Hi there-

I'm looking for as much feedback as possible, and after having a great experience with LSAT prep on 7sage a couple years ago, I figured I would post about my predicament here.

I was accepted to Georgetown Law this cycle and it's the only school I applied to this cycle. I have a 168/3.2. Between personal savings, college fund savings, and a small $30k total scholarship, my total debt at graduation would be $215k (including interest in all these numbers).

Goals are Big Law in NYC, or any east coast city at least initially. Long term, maybe in-house somewhere.

My option is either go to Georgetown this fall, or re-apply next cycle to other schools. Last cycle I had acceptances to Fordham, BC, BU and WUSTL. All four would've costed around $120-135k. Like a lot of us, I think I've gotten fixated on prestige. My question is, is Georgetown worth an additional $90k compared to these schools?

Added a poll to make it easy

Edit: Those numbers are total COA, so including living as well in that. Just clarifying in case. Also, I should note I have a job in NYC currently at a mid-size professional services/consulting firm and I'm two years out of undergrad. So, I'm not on my couch collecting dust if I wait, but also don't love what I do by any means.

So I’ve done four PTs since April 1st, 52, 53,54,56.

The scores are way too consistent and I’m not seeing much improvement.

Even compared to the cold diagnostic, aside from LG, it seems stagnant. Ok there were improvements but not what I expected after almost a year...

These are my PT scores so far. I’ve stopped PT for a week to do question type drills and took PT56, but BR score actually went down! I regret not doing BR for the cold diagnostic and having no comparable basis for my initial understanding.

Cold May 2018

PTJ [RC -13/LR -7/LR -14/LG -21] 142

After CC Sept. 2018

41 [RC -15/LR -15/LR -17/LG -13] 140

Did’t BR because I thought there was no point with only finishing half of each section in time…

PT from April 1st 2019

52 [RC -7/LR -8/LR -9/ LG -0] 160

BR [RC -4/LR -6/LR -5/LG -0] 166

53 [RC -12/LR -8/LR -6/LG -0] 159

BR [RC -7/LR -3/LR -0/LG -0] 171

54 [RC -11/LR -5/LR -8/LG -0] 159

BR [RC -3/LR -3/LR -4/LG -0] 170

56 [RC -9/LR -8/LR -5/LG -0] 162

BR [RC -5/LR -3/LR -5/LG -0] 168

I never finish LR and RC on time. So I usually skip 2~3 questions per section.

From PT53 I decided to skip Q12~Q19 for Q20+ so I can finish the ones I actually get right.

For RC, I never finish P4. I spend way too much time on P1&2.(Half of my time spent on the two…) I get to read P4, and try one or two relatively short questions. But that’s about it. I’m not so sure what I can do to improve on RC than practice timed.

What frustrates me the most is that I actually did worse after CC. I see that I made some improvements since the after CC PT, but nowhere near my expectations.(Thought I’d hit LR-3~4 by now… and get much better with RC… or at least be able to do all the questions!) My speed improved, but seems like at the cost of accuracy.

Should I go back to CC to focus on fundamentals and Q type drills or focus on timed PT? With the current BR score, I think there are definitely some basic things I don’t fully understand.

I study full time, so have been doing two PTs per week with untimed RC, Q type, and LG.

However, I’ve been thinking maybe doing PT40’s timed after every newer PTs (50’s+) could be beneficial in that I’d be able to practice timing. Or should I focus on fundamentals?

Also, is there alternatives to coffee that won’t make me want to go to restroom every hour? I can’t stay awake without coffee, but I don’t want to use restroom during the test. Using the restroom just before the test won’t do...

For some reason, I have a harder time testing in complete silence. When I have some kind of white noise in the background, I am able to focus much better. Does anyone have suggestions on how to be more adaptable to different noise conditions?

Does anyone know if there is an option to freeze your account? My account expires next month and I will extend in the event that I don't get into any schools for this fall but I won't know for sure until late June/ early July.

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7Sage Consultant Dan Castro has an amazing article in this month's Harper's. It's about a man who negotiated a historic truce between El Salvador's biggest gangs—and how local politics, pressure from the US, and the man's own ambiguous motives helped undo it.

Check it out!

https://harpers.org/archive/2019/05/gang-truce-san-salvador-raul-mijango/

I will be graduating in May(undergrad) and I am not sure whether taking a part-time job or a full-time job is better after graduation. Most paralegal positions are full-time. I will likely to get a more rounded experience in law if I take the position, but does it matter if I choose a part time job that is not relevant to law? I want more time to study the LSAT. I am not sure if a random, unrelated job will hurt my application in the future. Please help! Thank you!

I want to go to a t14 and afterwards work in international law / digital law (not big law). My personal work-life balance is 50-55 hours of full-time studying or full-time work. Is putting in 50-55 hours a reasonable expectation to succeed at a t14 and in said legal fields? I know it depends on the person; in my case, I intentionally limit the amount of time working / studying so there is pressure to work more efficiently (more time doesn't mean better results). Any opinions or experiences? Thanks in advance.

If you are leaning towards the possibility of taking the LSAT more than once, what is the proper balance of properly preparing with the new PT's and saving a few of the newer ones? Should you use as many recent ones as you can, and then if you do need to take again, practice with older PT's that are new to you?

My login page layout on my laptop looks like the app version in that it displays everything in one continuous column instead of the split screen where top forum discussions, preptest data, etc. appear on the right and course type on the left. Tried to reset on settings to no luck.

Is this now default?

i can provide screenshots if not clear. Thanks!

I'm not sure if anyone is in the same boat as me, but my rough plan has always been to get a US JD and then move to maybe Asia, Australia or London to practise law (I'm Australian by nationality). Does anyone have any insight into this process and the considerations or challenges that are associated with it?

Hey guys! I've finished redoing the CC for the second time because I got the Ultimate+ package, am foolproofing the games for the second time, and working through drilling still. I just took PT 59 and am feeling a bit discouraged. I know this is just my first one after such a long time, but I still wanted to see some huge jump.

Today I took PT 59 and got a 159 with a BR of 173.

I'm really glad to see the jump in the BR for sure and I feel like I did get stressed out during time, so hopefully I can still improve.

Breakdowns:

LG Actual -4; BR -0

LR Actual -11; BR -4

LR Actual -7, BR -5

RC Actual -8, BR -1

*Usually my LR actual is -4 to -7 in timed LR sections, so I'm a bit upset about this...hopefully, the next one is better

7 months ago, I took PrepTest 39 and scored 161 with a BR of 169

5 months ago, I took PrepTest 40 and scored 159 with a BR of a170

I appreciate any advise you guys have. I am trying to take the test this summer by July and score a 170+. My goal is to get into the Top14! I am going to keep working on LR drilling, along with timing strategies. I will be taking atleast one or two preptests each week as well because I do have full time to dedicate to the LSAT. Please do share your best tips.

Just wondering if anybody who has had the LSAT starter course was able to get a 168 or higher. If so, what are some of your tips? Would love to hear your experiences towards a 168+

Hi everyone,

I am trying to backwards plan for when I will tentatively take the LSAT. I started with 7Sage in December 2018, but they had to go to Eastern Europe for my job for a few months and wasn't able to get on the website due to country restrictions and lack of internet access in a rural area. I returned to the US at the end of March and have been trying to devote about 15-20 hours to the LSAT. I work 60 hours a week Monday through Friday, so I am able to maybe spend about 2 hours after work and then get in about 10 hours over the weekend. Right now I am a third of the way through the curriculum. I would like to finish all the lessons and content on Ultimate by June and do a practice test each week for a year.

I was wondering if anyone else has had a job where they are working 60 hours and juggling kids and how long it took them to get battle-ready for the LSAT. Is getting through the other 70% of the lessons by June realistic?

I just finished the Core Curriculum (starter package version). Apparently it's supposed to take 95 hours to complete, but it took me just about 285 hours over 7 months of studying! Yep, that's pretty nuts or sad or whatever, but hey I finished :)

My only saving grace/excuse for taking such a freaking long time is that I did foolproof every game in the CC).

So I'm excited (and a bit nervous) to get started with PTing. Not sure why I posted this lol, but hey, it's a free country :)

Anyone else worried about going to law school and then, with the advent of AI, not finding a job? I have seen various studied and predictions about the pace of AI's growth and dominance, but I'm not sure what to believe...

If there is a real threat to law careers, which field in law would be the least susceptible to that threat?

Hi all,

I'm not sure this is super important in the grand scheme of things, but I'm wondering if I should be inputting all my BR answers when completing a practice test. I've just been adding the BR questions that are different than my original answer, but would it be more accurate in my "BR Score" to list all my BR answers even if they match my original answer? Does that change anything in the analytics in terms of knowing which ones I'm confident on or something?

Thank you!

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I took the first PT after finishing the CC and while my timed score hasn't changed that much my BR score has sky-rocketed.

Timed: 161 (diagnostic 159)

BR: 170 (diagnostic 164, thanks 7Sage!)

Honestly, this PT felt very disorganized and I felt extremely clumsy through the whole thing. I just felt awkward and not smooth since I haven't taken PT's in over 4 months (this is my second time taking the LSAT). So I was extremely happy with my score of 161 and even more happy/surprised with my BR of 170.

I was wondering where I should go from here? I watched the post CC webinar and was wondering if I should continue to drill, etc. with phase 1 for awhile just to see where my BR score goes and to feel more comfortable or if I should move onto phase 2 with trying to get my timed score to match my BR score? Any tips would be appreciated!

I should note that I honestly don't really have a target score at this point. I would love the very least a 166/167 because I never thought it'd be possible for be to get a 170 but that might change now!

Thanks!

Hi everyone,

I am currently registered for the June 2019 LSAT but with the exam date approaching, I have realized that my goal of improving 20 points (at least) from my diagnostic of 145 is unrealistic. I will be able to study full time starting next week (35-40hrs/week) and I am wondering if anyone has made a 20 point improvement from their diagnostic in 3 months? I will have around 3 months to study for the LSAT in I change to the July date, is my goal realistic? What about the June date? Also just provide you a little context, I am not going to have any other commitments in the next few months but to study for the LSAT and I would need 166+ (168 to be guaranteed a spot at my dream school).

Also, how helpful have the PT video explanations have been in your LSAT study. I have all the PTs from a different course which did not go as planned, and I am wondering if the 7 sage starter package is sufficient? I am just planning to use the core lessons to build a stronger foundation.

Also how does one make sure they do not burn out for studying over 3 months?

Thank you so much!!

I've gone through PowerScore LG and LR Bibles and have completed about 15-20 PTs in the last 4 months that I've been studying. I'll be taking the July 15 LSAT and if I don't get a 165+ (My goal Score) then I'll be taking the September or October LSAT as well. My scores averages are 19/25 LR sections, 17/23 LG sections and 17/27 RC sections. so I'm currently PTing around a 156.

I have just started the CC for 7sage and I also have access to LSAT Engine. I can dedicate about 20-30 hr/week to cc/pting/drilling. What's the best way to spend my time before and after the July 15 test with my resources?

Hey, Sagers! I tend to struggle in the early stages of section 1 of any PT, regardless of what it is. Who has a warm-up strategy for practice, and, most importantly for Test Day? When I took the test in November I was woefully unprepared in terms of warm-up. I reviewed a test the night before (BAD), and in the morning I actually sat in the waiting area being stumped by a nearly impossible game I had never seen before. I don't recommend that. I've heard that having a small pack of easy LR ?s and a game you HAVE done before and feel good about is a plan. I've also heard that people use the question bank feature on here to especially select easy questions and print them out all together in the same little packet. When someone who's hip to this has time, could you pretty please lay it out a plan for me? I want to have a cool warm-up packet, the coolest one ever, ready for my successful second go on June 3. THANK YOU in advance.

this is a general question, but also a question toward @"David.Busis"

I know some law schools like YLS require applicants to disclose whether they received consulting services. I think this was discussed in one of YLS's blogs (https://law.yale.edu/admissions/jd-admissions/ask-asha/new-questions)

My question is does receiving consulting services hurt one's application to YLS, or other schools that require you to disclose you received consulting services? What's the general consensus of what adcomms at like say YLS think when they see you checked off the box that said you received consulting? How, if it at all, will it affect your application?

Thanks!