I was doing a bunch of research on this topic, but at the end of the day, I can't seem to really find the benefits of such programs. @oshun1 posted a discussion about JD-LLM in International Law. I'm curious about the concept of such a program, and don't see the point. For many schools, you can learn the exact same things, and can spend a semester abroad as a normal JD. The same goes for the other joint programs too. So, for those applying to joint-programs, can you please share what is the benefit of the JD-LLM, or other joint programs? Is it more prestigious during and after graduation? Does it allow for more opportunities and resources? Thank you.

For the premium course you get a limited amount of LSAT tests to practice with that are factored into the backwards planning from your anticipated exam date. I believe it goes up to 2009 or 2012 as the most recent practice tests. Being in the year 2020, should I stick to using 2012 and up tests to gain practice in vs the recommended 1990 tests -2009/2012 etc listed for practice? Or at the end of the day is a practice test a practice test regardless of what year it came out?

looking for feedback/tips, with the 7 sage schedule going through logical reasoning in its entirety before going on to logic games then reading comp, i was wondering if it would be better to follow a approach of looking at a bit of each section every week. was contemplating using the powerscore study schedule (does a bit of each every week) but using the 7 sage material instead of the powerscore bibles. thoughts on what has worked/is working for anyone?

I feel that I can only spend 2 hours on CC materials per day, though I do have more time to work on it. I just feel that after 2 hours of CC learning, I can't really concentrate on it anymore....

And it is 95 hours in total, which kinda kills me... Right now I only completed 18%. Thanks god that JY is quite humorous~

over a year and a half of on and off studying and I'm finally done. The content here is super helpful, esp the LG and LR videos, and the new thing where you can make a custom made problem set. also thanks to all the people who post a lot and spread a really positive attitude.

156 after cc -> 166 jan 2019 -> 169 july 2019 -> 172 jan 2020 (curious as to what the breakdown was. I'll never know). a lot of ups and downs. wait till your PT score is where you want it to be before you sign up for a retake. take breaks. keep a journal. believe you can improve and find your weaknesses. find a strategy and stick to it

be more specific about where and how you are missing questions when you make posts asking for advice (this forces you to understand why you're dropping Qs.). take some more breaks. do something while you watch LG videos like yoga or stretching or clean.

Hi, does anyone know if you withdraw before they make a decision, if they'll still have access to my files and if they'll pull them up in the next cycle, even though I would've withdrawn my application before they get a chance to look at it during this cycle?

Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows if there are available past recorded webinars and how to access them? I’ve done a search within the forum and see there were numerous webinars, but no links to access them, just the original links to sign up.

Any direction on this would be appreciated. Thanks!

Can I keep it a buck with you guys?

The 7Sage community really is wonderful - it's full of love and encouragement and a realization that we are all in this together. I've (silently) read along with so many posts, both people down and up because of this God-forsaken test, and have rooted for you all every step of the way. I figured it's time to write my own post and to seek some general tips and advice from you all; sorry in advance for the length of this post.

I was a legal studies major in college and I knew from day 1 that I wanted to go to law school. I fell in love with law and all its related concepts (politics). I found my passion and was ecstatic about it. I've always been an ambitious person and that carried on through where I wanted/want to go to law school. That meant T-10, with my top goal being H/Y/S, especially H (Barack Obama is my role model, lol). I first took a raw LSAT and scored a 156. I was a junior in college and my mind began racing with possibilities. After junior year finished, I studied - for what I thought was - really hard until I took my LSAT in September of that year, September 2018. That's about 4 months of straight studying.

Only now do I realize how negative it was - I was doing a mixture of 7Sage and Powerscore books. I wasn't Blind Review'ing, I wasn't intently going over wrong answers (maybe only superficially) and definitely not right ones. I would use Adderall all the time to study and take tests. My life was a bit of a mess - I was living with my then girlfriend at the time; it was incredibly toxic. My whole life was. My life consisted of infidelity, some drug use, and excessive and heavy drinking. I had a chaotic life. I now realize that my studying was fueled by narccisim, ego, and superficialties; I had lost my way.

Eventually, I realized that taking Adderall every single time before a test might not be helpful - I stopped, and my score went up straight away. I wasn't making many gains at all until I made a big jump from 159 to 163 on PT49 and I was ecstatic - I still remember the feeling. My target goal was a 175 and (once again proving how foolish I was) thought that I could get up to where I wanted to go in such a short time. I bounced around in the 160's, though never surpassing 163 again on all the rest of my PTs.

It didn't happen. I took the LSAT in September, and I knew immediately I did terrible. I don't even remember taking it - it was a blur. It was a complete disaster. I got a 153 on that test.

That really hurt me. It felt like a repudiation of my entire self. It hurt me to my core. (I know how foolish it seems).

I fell into a deep depression. It started to seem like the things I wanted to achieve wouldn't be possible. It was my first real smack in the face in my life. Things ended with that girlfriend, I isolated myself, and it was just generally rough.

I soon realized how bad my situation was. I spoke with my older sister and other family members and they helped me through it. I realized I needed to reexamine who I was. That next whole year, essentially, I stopped doing the LSAT. I became much happier. I had an amazing senior year and by the end of it, I knew I wanted to delay law school and go to the Peace Corps. This is what I did and I was stationed in Ethiopia. It was an amazing experience, but due to unforeseen circumstances, I had to leave early, and I'm back home in the US. While I was there, though, and through that year, I felt healed. I found myself again. Rediscovered my faith, got closer to my family, read a lot, and just discovered more of who I was. It's been amazing. It helped put the LSAT into perspective. It's not the end-all-be-all, even if it can seem that way.

It took me a long time to work back to the place I am now. I have found my immediate future; I am about to accept a position with Teach For America, so once that starts, it'll be a 2 year contract, and then I want to go to law school.

I've recently started studying for the LSAT again. With all these new tools at my disposal - trying to be healthy and do it the right way this time. I've been using the LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim as well as some explanation videos from 7Sage, because JY is amazing and so is this whole community. About 3 weeks ago I took another LSAT - it was a big deal for me to finally take one again, to finally dive in again. I got a 159 and was happy with this score. I forgot for a second to BR, so I only BR'd 2 sections, but I immediately realized how helpful BR'ing is. I was ecstatic.

I took another one last week, that vile September 2018 LSAT again, and this time got a 156 (BR 161 - weird). I was a little disappointed, and realized it was really impacting me - even though it shouldn't. I'm not worried I'll sort of spiral like I did last time, but I don't want my happiness to rely on this test. I just want to do the best I can.

So basically, I wanted to see your guys thoughts on where to go from here. My target goal hasn't changed. I'll study for as long as it takes, as much as I need to to get where I want to go. If it's studying straight for 2 years, I don't care; I just want to make sure I'm doing it right, I know what to expect, and where I can attack it. Any study plan recommendations or stories of people from a mid 150's to a 170's, as well as any sort of usual timetable? I'd love to hear them. I guess I just need to know this is possible - sometimes it feels as though it isn't.

Also, just FYI, my splits on the last two tests:

PrepTest 71: LR -16, RC -8, LG -6

PrepTest 85: RC -10, LR -18, LG -5.

Also don't really know what happened here because normally I'm strong on LR and very weak on LG. Idk.

I'm so thankful for this community - it's held me up and helped me in so many important ways - not just the LSAT, but for mental health, positivity, and encouragement. You all are the best.

I am scheduled to write my LSAT again for the fourth time on March 30, I really want a score in the 155+ range. I just wrote the LSAT in Jan last month, which I cancelled because I experienced a panic attack for the first tkme and completely blanked out. The three scores prior to this one have been in the 150 range and I am studying now while working full-time. My goal score is to get something 155+ range. In your opinion, would it be best to write the LSAT towards the end of March-which gives me 1.5 months to increase my score by 5+ points, or reschedule it for some time in June or July.

I've never posted here before but I just wanted to give a quick shout-out to 7Sage for the teaching methods employed in the PrepTest review videos. I am in the final stages of my LSAT prep, and have mostly concentrated on doing and reviewing the PTs. First of all, I had never tried the Blind Review method before I started with 7Sage, and I've found that I've actually mastered most concepts and can get to the high 170s if I'm untimed. This helped me get over my insecurities that I don't know this test well enough and gave me the confidence boost to believe that I can reach my goals, even under time pressure - I doubt myself less in the moment, and therefore have more time to pick answers I feel good about.

Also, before I started with 7Sage, I was reviewing PTs with only the answer keys given by LSAC. This was, looking back, probably hugely inefficient and in many instances just akin to spinning my wheels. I had no idea why I was getting things wrong, so I was basically just wasting 4 hours of my life each time to not learn anything. The explanation videos given by J.Y. are so detailed and explanatory, and I feel like I've adopted some of his thought processes and now I use them during the test. The way he teaches is interesting and engaging, so reviewing PTs doesn't feel like such a drag - I'm actually invested in what I got wrong, why, and how I can fix it next time. I watch the videos on 1.4x or 1.7x and the speed of the thought process has definitely helped me think about things faster. Also, I love that J.Y. incorporates his authentic voice in the videos - now when I'm taking PTs, I think to myself "would J.Y. think this answer is a good answer? I think it's maybe kind of a sh*tty answer and I think he would too." (For the most part, that's a really good test for me to weed out terrible answer choices that are masquerading as attractive ones!)

All of this is to say that from when I started 7Sage to now I've seen score increases from my initial score of as much as 9 points, and I have - on every PT since I started - reached my target score (in just a month and a half of the course!) I'm taking the test for the third time in February and I finally feel like I've cracked the code. My only regret is not getting 7Sage sooner.

Have y'all had a similar experience?

Hi everyone,

I am having a tough time with taking notes for the entirety of the 7Sage curriculum. I learn better with outlines where all of the info is there and I just have to annotate and fill in. In light of this, does anyone have 7Sage curriculum outlines/notes that are okay with sharing? Thank you so much guys, this forum really has been a lifesaver for difficult problems and I really appreciate everyone’s help.

So I just finished my first post CC PT (PT 36) and I’m not really sure where to go from here or how to feel about it. A couple of mistakes I made which I won’t be making again: 1) taking the test in a noisy environment (I actually had to stop and move in the middle of my last section, and well I pretty much hated everyone else in the room during the prior sections- lol). 2) moving too fast- specifically, at a speed which I was unable to digest what I was reading. I managed to get through both the LG and RC sections but for both LR sections I ended up having to guess the last 3-4 questions per section (of which I got a total of 2 correct! Not bad). I scored a 158 on my timed take and a 171 on BR. My section breakdown for my timed take LR:15/26 (-11) RC:18/26 (-8) LR: 19/26 (-7) LG 19/23 (-4). Section breakdown for BR: LR (-5) RC (-5) LG (-0).

So, my question is where do I go from here? I’m still fool-proofing games but I do feel as though I’m at the point (or near it) where I can manage 0 to -1 in games (though that section may suggest otherwise). For LR I feel as though it might be best to just stick to timed sections until I can get to the point where I’m able to finish them in time? I think I have a descent understanding in LR, untimed ill usually go anywhere from 0 to -2 with the occasional -3. My RC is not great, I usually miss a good amount of easy questions. I think that pretty much sums it all up.

All feedback is appreciated, thanks!

Hi guys,

I wrote the January exam, and it looks like I am going to write it again. I plan on writing it in September 2020. I am also looking for a job on the side, preferably part-time. If I cannot find anything part time, I was planning to go for full-time. I realized that I have been studying the wrong way for a while now. I was also pressuring myself a lot. I would like to restart everything again, and i want to take the slow and steady wins the race approach.

This is the strategy that I have in mind:

I wanted to know that is this a good study plan ?

I believe that this method would work well with a part-time job. But if I end up landing a full-time job, would it also work ? Or should I write it after September ?

Lastly, is there a tutor or someone I can privately speak to in regards to study strategies ?

I would really appreciate it :)

Thanks

I have a 3.48 GPA. In college I was a premed major before switching to a BS in Sport Management. The worst grades that tanks my GPA are two classes I took as a premed major. With that being said my dream school would be NYU Law, I've taken the LSAT twice already went from a 148 -> 155. I'm aiming for 167+ (the lower 25th at NYU) and I'm a URM which I've heard helps. With my GPA am i crazy in thinking that I'd ever get into NYU? Any input/advice would be appreciated.

In June 1941 Nazi Germany made an ill-fated attempt at invading Russia. Buoyed by their quick success in France, they launched the greatest invasion force in history throwing 3 million soldiers into the effort. This opened up the eastern front of World War II and some say changed the course of history forever.

Ok Great, what does WWII history have to do with the LSAT?

I'll tell you. The reason the invasion of Russia was so costly for the Germans was because it occupied valuable resources Germany needed to fight the war: Soldiers, Fuel and Tanks. Once Germany launched the invasion, there was no way of getting out of it, they had no exit strategy. They were committed to winning that battle or facing annihilation.

The LSAT is very akin to war. You have several resources at the start: Your knowledge of the material, Shortcuts you learned and most importantly the amount of time you have on the test. What you must avoid, is trying to overly commit those resources to one question because otherwise you do risk your score being Annihilated. The difference between a test taker who scores in the low 160's to mid 160's and test takers who score in the upper 160's and 170's is due in part to the proper management of time during the exam. Those who score higher tend to allocate their time more efficiently towards answering the questions they can answer and less time spent on questions they eventually get wrong. I want to repeat this because I think people need to know this, the difference between a score taker in the 160's and 170's is not so much in the KNOWLEDGE of the test but in the EXECUTION of the test. To be great at the LSAT it's better to get a question wrong quickly, rather than spending time and effort on a question only to come away without a point. How do you avoid that? You need to have what the German's didn't have in Russia. You need to have an Exit Strategy!

Great. What's an Exit Strategy?

An Exit Strategy is a quick list of criteria that will tell you QUICKLY that you should skip the passage, game or specific question.

For those just starting out these are often quite obvious. You may struggle with Grouping Games, and hence when you run into an obvious grouping game in LG, you skip that for the friendlier linear game that follows it. Ditto for RC and Science Passages for example or Necessary Assumption questions in LR.

As your knoweldge of the test improves, you will find that these big glaring weaknesses go away and your exit strategies become more nuanced and focused. This is a big reason why people plateau in the 160's or 150's. Breaking into the 160's and 170's requires that you disabuse yourself of the notion that just because you CAN answer every question on the LSAT does not mean you SHOULD TRY to answer every question on the LSAT the SAME WAY. Those that fail to grasp this can get trapped in a question or a game. This is where the nuance comes in. As your knowledge of the test improves your exit strategies should become more contextual. Meaning, you are no longer just filtering for game type or question type, you are allowing yourself to read the stimulus and letting the stimulus tell you when you should skip the question or game.

How do you develop a basic Exit Strategy?

The key to developing a good basic exit strategy is good self-awareness with respect to your own strengths and weaknesses. Tools like LSAT Analytics, Post-BR Journals where you mark down questions you got wrong and why you got them wrong, as well as the data 7sage provides you on how long it takes you to do a question should allow you to understand which questions you get wrong more often than you get right and which questions take up more of your time than others. Note that this is a different concept than being able to do or understand a question or game type. If your accuracy on Parallel Method of Reasoning is at 100% but it takes you ten minutes on average to get that question correct, your understanding is bang on but your execution needs work. You want that average below 1 minute and 20 seconds ideally otherwise this question type is a good skip candidate. (That timing rule is for LR mainly)

So a Basic exit strategy which you apply when you read the question stem or read the rules to a logic game could be as follows:

for LG/RC

Is this a game/passage type that I traditionally struggle with? If so skip it.

For LR:

Is this a question type I get wrong more than I should based on analytics? If so skip it

Is this a question type that I often spend more than 1 minute 20 seconds on? If so skip it

How do you build an advanced Exit Strategy?

For more advanced strategies you have to use your knowledge of the game or question type at hand to extract yourself from difficult situations. In LR for example this requires you to know implicitly what is required of you to answer a particular question type and to recognize when you are in a situation where that might be more difficult than usual.

Let's take a basic example: Identify the Flaw Questions.

Flaw questions require you to choose an answer choice that states a flaw made in the reasoning in your stimulus.

So if you read the stimulus, and you identify the conclusion and premise of the argument but CANNOT identify the flaw. That is your red flag that should trigger a possible exit. You have a choice here, you can try to re-read the stimulus again in hopes of trying to identify the flaw before you tackle the answer choices or you could skip immediately and come back to this once you have gone through all the questions in your section. From my experience those that tend to score higher tend to choose the latter option. They know that once they have read the stimulus (and they will read it carefully and correctly the first time because that is what good test takers do) and cannot identify the flaw their chances of getting the question right have dramatically decreased.

Think of every question like a game of poker. Before you are dealt your cards you have certain odds of getting the question right, as soon as you read the stimulus you have been dealt your cards. The stimulus, like the cards will tell you whether those odds have gone up or gone down. If those odd decreased, based on your original reading of the stimulus, a significant amount, leave and save it for later. Kenny Rogers would tell you gotta know when to Fold Em' and when to run, Kenny Rogers is a smart man.

I sense the hesitation, some people think it is a waste of resources. You already invested time reading the stimulus, if you skip it now you are throwing that time away. People then worry that they may not have time to come back and answer the question at the end.

What I'll say to that is this. If you make a habit of executing your exit strategy as soon as you identify trouble what you will find is that at the end of your first sweep through the games or questions you will have plenty of time remaining. Why? Because you were hyper diligent in applying your exit strategies and thus have skipped lots of questions! You can now allocate that remaining time to answering the tougher, harder to get questions. This method allows you to tackle the EASY questions first and gather as many points as you can from them as quickly as possible so you can reinvest that time to the more difficult questions. That's the most efficient allocation of resources is it not? If you are still worried about 'wasting' the time spent on initially reading the stimulus, remember my adage that it is better to get a question wrong quickly than to spend lots of time getting a question wrong. This methodology functions like a safety valve to ensure that you do not waste time. Yeah maybe the 30 seconds is wasted ( I would argue that it is not since you are likely to retain that info if you come back) but at least you guarantee yourself that 30 seconds was the maximum damage that question did to you. And if you come back to the question later, that distance from the material may allow you to perceive new things about the stimulus that you missed from your initial reading, JY mentions this all the time and it is so true.

Great you sold me on the Advanced Exit Strategy, can I get a another example?

Let's take Weaken, Strengthen, Sufficient and Pseudo Sufficient assumption questions as a group.

In general these group of questions asks you to analyze an argument in the stimulus and look for a GAP between the premises and the conclusion. That gap is a weakness in the argument. Strengthen, Sufficient Assumption and Pseudo Sufficient Assumption questions typically will ask you to cover that gap or weakness, while weaken will ask you to widen that gap.

So if you read the stimulus for this question type and you find yourself agreeing with the argument and CANNOT find the gap between the premises and conslusion...you are likely in trouble with respect to getting the correct answer. This is your red flag, that signals you to exit this question. Because your other options are A. Re-Read the stimulus or B. Use process of elimination to get to the right answer. Both can be considerably wasteful if this turns out to be a curve breaker question.

In Logic Games:

If the game unfolds and all of a sudden you see weird elements like circular placement of pieces, or extra long sequencing chains (think the mine game in PT86) that may be a signal for you to leave the game as well. Another obvious one is if you encounter a non-traditional game (Think of the Building Trading game as an example). When it comes to Skipping specific questions more often than not this comes down to rule substitution questions. Some of these are outright brutal and are actually designed to be nothing more than pure time traps. There is a particular question in a later PT (87-89) which I am pretty sure the LSAC designed specifically to waste your time. Given the curve of that particular PT I do not think it was their intent for anyone to actually do that question. So yes the LSAC designed a question where the optimal response to the question for 90% of the population is to NOT do the question. Pretty funky eh?

Big Idea:

The idea should be that you develop an exit strategy both basic and advanced for all Game/ Passage and LR Question types. These should not be overly complex but it should guide you towards knowing when you should gracefully exit a question.

RC Caveat

One caveat to all of this is in RC. I've seen it enough times where a seemingly difficult passage has easy questions and vice versa. If you manage to get through a passage but your understanding is not at a level where you are comfortable, try to answer some of the questions. You may find the lsat to be forgiving in that area even if the passage is brutal.

Wait, why did you write all this...Are you a Wizard?:

I am a 7sager just like yourself. I started my LSAT Journey in the 150's and taught myself various tricks and strategies to get myself to a point where I scored a 171 in the January 2020 writing of the LSAT. I wrote this because I know the LSAT can be a life changing test, and has huge implications for our futures. I also know that the test is regressive as hell in that it privileges those who have the time and wealth to dedicate vast amounts of real world resources such as time and money to studying, LSAT materials, multiple LSAT writings and yes even tutors to get to that magical LSAT score. The world's problem with inequality can only be fixed if we as individuals decide to try to fix it, I'm writing this to help balance the scales. I hope this helps you get the score you need.

Please be on the lookout for more of my posts in the near future.

I was just wondering what people have found effective, I want to continue with the 7sage material but was thinking of using the powerscore self study schedules, where I do a bit of lr lg and reading comp every week, as opposed to going through the entire LR then on to LG and then RC section by section. any feedback on what has worked for others would be great.

Good Morning. I am currently studying for the March LSAT and want to know if anyone has any advice on how to divvy up the study time designated to each section. I tried dedicating a set amount of time to studying one section. For example, I would spend a week on LG, and although my LG score would increase, my LR score would decrease. I assuming this is a result of me neglecting the section for a week. Has anyone else experienced this problem and have found remedies that will help? any advice would be amazing! Thanks!

I registered for my first lsat, but I got into a minor car accident (I live in a metropolitan city and was walking.. then got hit by a car.) But it was nothing serious just that I had to go to the ER to do some checks.

Unfortunately I couldn’t make it to the test center and it was marked as absent. 3 months later, I took my second test, which was really disappointing. I'm registered to take it again on March, but I was trying to consider my options if I didn't get my target score on March.

So with my LSAT history being:

June 2018 - absent

Sep 2018 - disappointing score

Mar 2020 - will take

do you think it would be okay to take my "fourth" lsat if I don't get my target score in March?

Does anyone have experience with studying for the digital LSAT? What are some tips and tricks? I understand that the 7sage iPad app offers the digital tester, but I'm a little confused on whether I should use it and how.

I'm sitting for a US test and an international test if I don't feel good about my first try, so I'm not really sure if I should spend more time on paper or iPad.

I finished CC a while back, I'm curious, if I have done all questions from the CC, does this mean I have finished PT 17-35? I want to focus on doing new questions, thanks in advance!

Hi! Does anyone have the PDFs of the LSAT India PTs #5 & #6? Thanks!!

So I have a 157 on file from July and I’ve been studying since then for the February test but haven’t been able to score over a 164. I just took a pt and blinded reviewed and scored a 158 on both the pt and br. I’ve been drilling sections and question types with both 7sage and power score. I thought I did so well on the reading comp and LR sections too. I cancelled the September test and I think I’m going to have a cancel February too.

Hi everyone,

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Been studying as a full time student pretty much for 5-7 months now. Started with 7sage as my friends were telling me how good it is. I couldnt agree more.

Started with a diagnostic (post cc) of 152.

Just got my first timed 170. Really needed it as im taking the test in March and it felt like I would never get a 170. Mostly high 160s. I know a lot of people say that you should expect a couple points lower on test day to make up for nerves and stuff. While I agree to some extent, I more so agree with Thinking LSAT where they argue theres p much no reason why your test day score shouldnt be pretty much what you PT (in some range) as long as you PT in the exact strict conditions.

Lets keep grinding yall. Been feeling super down the last month or so cause I never thought Id get my goal score but things are looking up there

#help

Does anybody know if the problem sets function gives us the option to create a problem set consists of all the questions I got wrong in the past？

For example, I want to create a problem set that having all Argument Part LR questions I got wrong in the past. I know how to filter the ones from pt 1-35, Argument Part, LR. But can't find the way to choose those I got wrong.

Many thanks if anyone can help.