It seems like 7Sage deleted the web versions of prep tests this week... Instead, we only have encrypted PDF version of preptests.

It took me seconds to print a preptest in balck and white before. Now it takes 15 miniutes to print 3 pages in balck and white!

The size of PDFs is too big for printers to handle.

Could you please advise me what should I do? Thank you in advance.

do I also have to double space them? How long do they each have to be? no requirements written on the schools website.Can they be 10 point font smallest?

is there any chance they read the div statement first? It's ok I'm not thrilled with it no matter how I write it but definitely want to include, happier with Personal statement though

Hi everyone,

I've done a lot of research and know the LSAT is extremely important, especially with a low GPA.

I'm currently working full time and a full time student. I tried studying for the LSAT as well this semester; it was stressful. I'm suppose to be graduating December 2019 and applying in the fall of September 2019, to enter law school if all goes well the fall of 2020. Should I take the Spring semester of 2019 to focus on the LSAT for June and complete my law school application (personal statements etc.) or just manage my time better? If I take off the Spring semester 2019, I'll still be entering law school 2020. Graduating undergrad in May. Thank you for your help!

Hi all,

I recently took the GMAT and did very well, particularly in the verbal section (44 points or 98 percentile). I'm interested in joint programs, so I'm also looking into the LSAT.

I'm trying to gauge how I could best spend my time prepping and how much overlap there is between the GMAT verbal and the LSAT. Can anyone who has experience with both exams speak to this and to how my GMAT score will translate?

From what I've read, the consensus seems to be that the LSAT reading comp has longer passages and that the LR section is slightly trickier than the GMAT critical reasoning questions. That said, I think that the bulk of my prep will be devoted to LG with a smaller part of my prep focused on fine-tuning LR and RC.

Any input would be much appreciated.

Procrastinator here :) How many hours are you guys actually committing to studying daily? Seeing the commitment from others will make me feel inferior...and up my game! THANKS!

For those of you who have already taken the test, what time were you finally able to leave? The reporting time is 8:30 so what time would you get there? The testing center is only a few blocks from my house. I'm taking the LSAT in November.

I've taken 14 full PTs so far and one of the things I'm noticing with myself isn't so much that I struggle with fatigue during the exam (although I do feel a small concentration decline by the 5th section), but rather that I struggle to recover quickly after the exam. At first I tried taking a PT every 3 days +/- 1 day. But I realized when I went to sit down my mind just wouldn't focus. I could still feel the exhaustion from the prior test. The last few weeks I've been doing just one PT per week (plus BR and some drilling in between) and I've sat down feeling much more focused and fresh. The issue is that in doing this it's taking me longer to get more exposure to full PTs.

Does anyone care to share their thoughts on this? I'm not sure whether to push myself and PT more often or go at this pace and risk not being ready for the November exam (and January if necessary). My scores have fluctuated all over the 165-173 range.

Hi y'all just starting out, a year ago I took my diagnostic test and scored a 145 this June I got a 162 on the real deal. Going from 145-162 didn't happen overnight I started with the free course and upgraded to the cheapest and eventually upgrading two more times.

I was thinking of retaking because I was prepping at 168 I even managed to get a 171 and 172 on a BR, those were two very happy days:). I spoke to schools that I am considering applying to and 162 will give me a decent scholarship and possibly a free ride at others. Today I made the decision that I'm done with LSAT real, by trashing all my tests and review material I printed, it fills a trash can up. I wanted to pay it forward, for all the help I got from this site.

I know 162 might not sound so exciting if your looking at Harvard, but most of us are not taking that route. So if you don't plan on going to a "Top School" and want encouragement from a "middle of the road-er", so you know you can do it too, here goes.

I got a lot of practical tips from reading posts, the most helpful one was to use sheet protectors and dry erase markers for BR's. I had a whole binder of prep test I perused at random times, (waiting rooms, airports etc.) I printed the test twice the 2nd copy for BR, I put into sheet protectors and did it with dry eraser markers. I wrote the correct answers on sticky note when I reviewed and kept a tally of which ones I got wrong on another sticky note. If I got any wrong I moved the sticky note to the top and it stuck out of the binder like a tab, this allowed me to see which questions I needed to review further. Once I BR'd correctly I would move the tab to the bottom.

Burnout is real, when it set in for the third time, and I was sure I'd never pull past a 155, I switched from marathon/burnout cycle to dedicating one and half days a week studying. I shut my phone and ignored the world. Day one (at home and sometimes the library) I took the test, took a lunch break then I BR'd and I checked the answers. Next half day I saw what I got wrong, why and BRed the logic games I got wrong. Later on when I was getting better and review day didn't have that many wrong I'd go to my binder and run through all the ones I had initially gotten wrong. In May a month before the actual test I took one test a week at my test center. I found this very helpful. I spoke to the test center they allowed me to use the actual room I tested in. I think this helped me stay calm on test day it was not a new experience.

All in all it was a lot of work, but it can be done. Thank you 7sage I couldn't have done it without this course. On to my personal statement resume and application... See you soon on the other side...

Here is my situation. I am currently in my third year. I was thinking to start studying for the LSAT next summer but i know that 3 months is not enough.. So should i take a gap year after I finish my studies? or is there a way for my situation to study for the LSAT and at the same time not to affect my studies in university? Also, I have all the preptests so which plan should i buy ?

Hey 7Sagers,

We're excited to announce that we have new drills for Ultimate+!

Questions by Type

In additions to LR drills, we now have RC and LG drill sets organized by type. Scroll down until you see "Drills from PrepTests 01 to 09 " or search "Type Drill" (using Instant filter) on your Syllabus:

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LR Questions by Type:

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RC Questions by Type:

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LG Questions by Type:

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LG Drills

In lieu of the Logic Games Bundle, we now have **All LG Questions Drill** for every 10 PrepTests. These are easier to print than the LG Bundle and we have sets for newer PTs.

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(Search "All LG Questions Drill" (using Instant filter) on your Syllabus)

I just finished watching a WSJ youtube video on harvards secret admissions criteria and how asian american personalities did not stand out enough for acceptance and it got my thinking about what kind lf students they want at their school. Especially from minority students and students that are less fortunate. As someone who checks both kf those boxes I find it difficult to make myself stand out, Ive never even left the US and my gpa is not where it needs to be. I was hoping flr the lsat to be my saving grace but now im thinking even a perfect score from a poor minority student wont cut it. Any thoughts?

Here are some thoughts from the LSAC Forum in NYC. Of course, this is all my own opinion based on today's experience and should not necessarily be taken as the word of God! No, I'm not that haughty...

First, the workshops were not that illuminating, at least for me. Perhaps if you're entirely unfamiliar with the process, there would be some benefit, but for most students, you'd use your time more effectively by chatting with the admissions officers.

Second, business casual is fine. For some reason, I was a bit apprehensive about not wearing a suit, even though I had seen posts saying that business casual was appropriate. However, although most of the admissions officers wore more formal clothes, a majority of the students wore business casual attire.

Third, bring a briefcase or bag with you. I cannot stress how important this is for you! Every school will give you an equivalent of a couple of trees worth of flyers and glossy magazines titled "101 reasons to come to UMichigan!" If you plan on taking them with you, bringing a sturdy bag or briefcase is vital. LSAC did provide the classic tote bag, however. So that will probably be enough for most people's needs.

Fourth, try to give a face to the name. In my estimation, the Forum can be used most effectively by building rapport with the reps in addition to asking specific questions. Use some humor particular self-deprecating. You want to move past the mechanistic speech each one of them have stored in their heads. One person whom I spoke to sounded like a robot mechanically answering questions with little thought or personality. Obviously, don't go overboard or try to be something that you aren't, but leaving an impression (even just that you're personable) seems important. I think thanking for coming to the forum and chatting with you is a great way to leave an impression. I asked the Yale Law admissions officer--with whom I spoke with for a while--for a selfie, and he happily acquiesced!! Don't be shy. Most of them were quite personable. Remember, they'll have all your stats when you apply, but they won't know you. Building rapport at the Forum can make your application stand out.

Fifth, comfort the 2/3 of law schools no one is interested in. The contrast was stark. It was like a speed dating event in which only one-third of the people aroused interest. I felt so sorry for the South Dakota Law School. I mean no one came over to them. So, do your good deed for the day and make them feel desired!

Hey there, fellow 7sage students. This is a collection of thoughts from chatting with others on 7sage and I thought it might be helpful to share.

Mentality and Getting Back on Track

First off, I want to say it's going to be ok. It's ok to lose to the LSAT some times. It's ok to concede and retreat, and recover to fight another day. The LSAT is hard and although some people on the forums surprisingly will consistently get 180s, most won't. I've talked to some of the sages and tutors on 7sage, and they all agree on this: that one of the most essential skills to take away from LSAT is the ability to walk away from defeat without giving up, and to be able to get up after taking a punch.

For me, after I get a hard punch in the face, I usually need some sort of external stimulus, and that's usually a book, a friend, or maybe just a good old bottle of whiskey, just something that will help me ice the bruise, but remind me why I'm doing this in the first place. I remind myself that I actually like the LSAT, and going to law school. I profoundly look forward to the challenge and opportunities they offer, and additionally, I am confident in my persistence, and that my persistence will yield results. And I believe those qualities apply to you as well. Constantly remind yourself of your intrinsic motivation and that you can overcome the LSAT. But like I said, even with these two internal factors, I still need a little external help. So build a support system for yourself. My favourite books for this are: The meditations, by marcus arelius, Prinicples, by ray dalio, A man's search for meaning, by viktor frankl. Or podcasts, like this american life, serial, or one not even related to law. Essentially, they just remind me to stop being a whiny little bitch and take it like a (wo)man. If that's too much commitment, then feel free to talk to me, or make a post about it on the forums, and the others and I will be happy to help you get back on track! If you didn't notice, under my earlier vent about my big drop, a lot of peers gave very helpful advice and cheered me on. You can do that too =). We're here for each other.

Also, remember that time is limited, and running out, and remember that regret sucks more than trying your best and failing. I've regretted so many things in my life, that at this point that I am intimate with it and can feel it just by closing my eyes, and can use it to motivate myself so that I won't have to feel it again. If you don't want to feel regret, then let your actions prove that. We have 3 weeks left (if you're taking november), and that's very little time; really only 2 weeks left, since we're not suppose to study hard on the last week. So just put everything into these last two week, so you won't have to regret anything. There is an added benefit of feeling a lot less stress when you go into a test knowing you did everything you could, whether or not you will able to achieve a specific score.

Back on Track and Stronger than Before

It's ok to regress sometimes, but with that said, there's definitely no excuse not to learn something from your defeats. In fact, I welcome terrible defeats, because it'll be easier for me to recognize my mistakes and weaknesses than under normal conditions. Ask yourself: have you noticed any patterns or trends in your recent PTs that differ from previous PTs? Using the LSAT analytics, or just by tallying the mistakes yourself, you should be able to find some obvious weaknesses in your skillset.

That's step one, recognition. Step two is both the more straightforward and difficult part. You have to drill.

For some people, just redoing the core curriculum for the question types that they're weak on will fix the problem, but doing it right is the hard part. It's not perfect, but this is how I drill: I aim for perfection in drills, to do 5, 10, 15, or 25 hardest questions in a row, timed, and get none of them wrong. How do you get there? By taking it slowly and incrementally. I'll further break this down into smaller parts:

First, start with easier questions, and do them timed.

Second, BR them, but here's the important part: don't just BR them the way you normally would. Instead, now that you're not timed, take your pencil and, whenever you can, write down how you would pre-phrase the answer, write down the exact reason why you think the answer you chose is the right answer, and, if you can, also write down why you think a trap answer is attractive, but ultimately wrong (and ignore the obviously wrong answer choices). (Now, I see a lot of people doing this in the comments under questions, and that's great, but few people do it correctly. For reference, 7sage alumn, Accounts Playable, does it well)

Third, watch the video for any questions you circled or got wrong, but when you're watching it, don't just follow along; instead, I want you to actively engage with and try to anticipate and predict how JY would explain the question as he goes through it, and take notes on how his actually explanation conformed to or differed from your prediction. This is an important part of my mantra of: anticipate the JY, feel the JY, become the JY. Quite a few 7sagers have come out to say that they've started to think like JY, and I believe they probably used a similar process.

Fourth, move up a difficulty (according to the question bank), when you have gotten 10 or 15 questions of that difficulty correct in a row... or at least if you feel like you've gotten there, and repeat the steps.

Fooled by Randomness

Consistency is hard; it is a goal. But don't be discouraged because you're inconsistent. Just a few weeks ago, one of my test was 10 points below my average score, and even ignoring that test, my score has an upper/bottom spread of +/-3. I think over time, luck plays a part in the score too. Sometimes, you get a hard science or law passage that just destroys your mojo for the whole test, and other times, everything just goes your way. If you think about what the LSAT is, a large part is really just a game of probability. To illustrate this, here's an example:

Even if you can BR 180, I suspect that under timed conditions, you would consistently have anywhere from 10-12 questions that you're not 100% certain about. You've eliminated 3 answer choices, but are left deciding between two. On average, that's a -5/-6, and on a good day, it can be a -3, but alternatively, on a bad day, that can be a -10. That's almost a 10 point score difference purely from luck. On top of that, we have to consider the variability of mood and physical conditions, and that's another few points that you can't really control. So expect inconsistency, and focus on the factors that you 'can' control. Remind yourself that being nervous about such things that are out of your control is meaningless, and hopefully that will help sooth the stress.

Hope this helps =)

Hi all,

I'm retaking the LSAT in November. I sat for the September test and received a 162. I prepared really ineffectively and only took about 10 PTs altogether with virtually nonexistent BR. I've since changed those habits. I want to break 170 and I know that my main problem is logic games.

During recent PTs, I'll often go -5 to -7 on LG simply because I've run out of time and can't answer all the questions in the last game. Combined with my performance on LR and RC, I end up with scores in the mid to high 160s (most around 167-168). When I BR, I go -0 on LG and my score is in the high 170s with the occasional 180.

Is it possible to improve enough on speed in LG to shore up the points by the Nov. test? Is it too late to start fool proofing? Should I push the Nov. test to a later date?

what do people think of digital?

Any thoughts on this school? It's obviously a amazing often clocking in at #7 in the USNWR rankings. I decided to apply here. I lived in NY for 11 years, and never met a person who went there. I half jokingly thought U Penn Law didn't exist, until a month ago when I had my first encounter with a real life U Penn recent graduate. Thanks a lot!

We're excited to announce the 7Sage podcast! The podcast will cover various LSAT strategies, law school admissions, life in law school, and more!

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We've released three episodes:

We will be releasing two more episodes in the next two weeks. And then we'll be releasing one episode a month.

Update: Two more episodes (4 and 5) released!

Update: Episodes 6 and 7 released!

hi all, I am taking the November test coming up in a few weeks (cry) and was looking for a little advice. I have been taking PT's and now I see that I need to review some LR question types. Should I try and review the CC for those few types while I am still taking my PT's? Or don't take another PT until I have reviewed at little? I am doing great in LG and not so hot in RC, so I feel like if I get some of the troublesome LR types down then I will feel much better.

Also RC sucks big time, and trying to figure out a good strategy for myself - advice on this topic also greatly appreciated. On my last two PT's I have strived to only complete 3 passages and try to get as many correct as possible, but still don't know if that is the most effective/beneficial for me...

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In the PT phase of my prep. I take a PT on the weekends. Then BR and watch videos. I have been taking an additional PT during the week (usually a mid-week evening) but I am finding I am drained after work.

I am curious what others have found to be most effective in their experience. During the week, do you take a full PT after work? Or do timed sections of new (or old?) PTs? (either followed by rigorous BR of course)

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Could someone please type out their strategy as to how to attack these questions? They give me the most difficulty .Thanks!

Is there much known about how scores differ between an unpublished/international LSAT compared to the typical one done that has a curve? If less people take it would that not mean that a raw score/scale score on an international test isn't completely comparable to one done in the US?

I know we used to be able to. Does anyone know if we still can or if that's changed?

Thanks!!!

Having graduated and started working, I am slowly edging out of the tutoring/LSAT community (surprised I stayed so long). But while I'm still here and as I have a little free time over next week or so (and as I see a bunch of posts re: PSs): if anyone wants me to read their Personal Statement and provide feedback (won't edit, just general comment/reaction), feel free to PM me or e-mail at islandoflsat @ gmail and I'll try my best to get to it

Super pumped that I hit my goal score (168) today! But now im lost on what to do for the next three weeks before the november test. Obviously, I'll try to continue an upward trend - I'm already planning on taking additional PTs, BRing them and then reviewing, but should my strategy change at all? Should I continnue to focus on my weak spots? Or take more mental breaks and focus primiarly on testing? If someone found themselves in a similar situation and could weigh in, that would be really helpful.

My breakdown for this test (PT81)

LG -0

LR -5

RC -6