I need to know the secrets of the “I can get a 180 while I’m a prisoner of a Chinese re-education camp suffering from dysintery, completely dehydrated, freezing, and without one arm” people. Some of you diagnostic’d at 172. lawd Jesus. I need these insights.

First test, with 0-10 hours total of studying scored, 136, didn't even do a full prep test.. I know I know..

Taking in November again and studying 2-3 hours every weekday, plus practice tests every weekend.

Is 15-20 points jump plausible?

I hope everyone is having a great week. The fall weather is starting to come around here in beautiful San Jose, CA.

Anyway, I am thinking of postponing my 2nd take to January rather than November. I don't feel like I'm ready. I need a 156-157 to feel comfortable about getting into my target school and I feel as if I'm barely scratching 150. There is just over 6 weeks left until the November exam.

What do yall think? Take November and see if I can hit a 156, and just take the January exam if not? Or sit out the November exam and take the January one.

Thanks, all.

Who is taken the January Lsat 2019?

Is it possible for me to score between 150-160? How many practice test will I need to take a week? My points keeps on decreasing and I am trying to figure out what else I should do? I am still weak on Logic Games and RC? Should I focus on my weaker sides or my stronger side which is the LR ?

I just want to do ok and get into an ok law school.

I need some encouragement too... (it is not easy) because I am working full time and I barely get enough sleep.

Got an email from them extending an interview offer at a Starbucks before the LSAC forum this weekend. I’ll most likely go just for the law school interview experience but I had no intention of applying. Should I do the research and write up a Why WUSTL essay so I have something to talk about during the interview?

"LSAT will be fully digital in North America starting September 2019"

Full press release here:

https://www.lsac.org/about/news/lsac-announces-digital-lsat-launch-schedule

The press release strongly implies that starting in Sept. 2019, there won't be an option to take paper LSATs anymore. (Maybe they'll offer the paper test as an accommodation?)

It did not specify whether there will be the option to have scratch paper (for LG).

Good news is that they're offering it 9 times a year starting in 2019-2020.

The LSAC is making the July 15, 2019 test a special transition test where students get to see their scores first before deciding to cancel! That's huge. You should sign up to take the July test. I don't think they're extending this option to other LSAT administrations.

Hi everyone,

So far I have taken 9 RC timed sections. On all 9 RC timed sections I do at worst -10 and at best -7. My BR score is usually around -3. I am looking for advice on how to improve from here. I usually finish all four passages right on time, meaning I typically only have around 30 seconds to spare at the end. My average passage reading time is around 3 minutes. I notice I tend to spend most of my time on the questions, I have been trying to implement a skipping strategy so I don't spin my wheels on any one question.

Strategies I have tried:

Spending 10 minutes on each of the first 3 passages by confirming as many answers as I can by referring back to the passage and then essentially speed reading and "throwing a hail Mary for the 4th passage"

Increasing my speed + skipping questions so I finish all passages and have a reasonable shot at answering questions - this is my most recent strategy.

I have seen the slightly greater improvements using the second strategy.

I do not have a consistent notation strategy for marking up the passage, I have just been focusing on understanding as much as I can and underlining what I believe to be important sentences.

What is the best way to improve from here?

Should I continue to drill RC sections, knowing that the actual test consists of 4 passages at a time, or should I work on perfecting my abilities on single passages?

I would love to break this plateau. Ideally I would like my average RC section to be -5 or better.

Any thoughts appreciated!

I tried to print off the bundle and it pretty much came with the border...said 7sAge and number on it, but the text didn’t. I just got the first page and that’s it and I know I’m not out of ink. It’s just with the LG BUNDLE. Is there any way someone can check this for me because I need to print them off?

Am retaking in November, have problems on all three sections that need to be addressed. Is it better to study one section at a time until it's down or do LR one day and then LG the next?

If you're registered for an upcoming international LSAT, please double check your reporting times!

I just went to print my ticket for Saturday and noticed the registration time is now 8:30am, not 2:30pm as was listed when I registered.

I've phoned the LSAC who said that yes, the time was changed from 2:30pm to 8:30am some time in mid-September. I asked if there was some sort of error - was I supposed to be notified, or did I receive an email but just not see it?

The answer is 'no', it just so happens the LSAC doesn't have a policy of notifying registrants if the test-time changes from the advertised time. They just change it and hope you notice when you print your ticket - which they instruct you to print as close to the test-day as possible..!

Brb while I try and find a last minute hotel or figure out how to wake up at 2:30am for a 9am test and not feel like garbage.

Hey y'all. This is not just a ploy for "atta girl". But feeling a little isolated in my study world. And a little freaked out for November test. I took my first test almost 2 years ago, finished college, started studying regularly last fall, but got sidetracked by getting married. Now 6 weeks out I have the time to devote like I wanted after balancing studying and life all summer. Discouraged with not making much progress on timed sections, drilling and BR'ing. So, diving into the 7sage community for thoughts/advice and hopefully I'm not the only one in this boat!

November or bust!

Hi guys,

LSAC offers a forum in which they have workshops about the LSAT and law school apps, as well reps from many of the schools who are there to talk to you. The NYC one is coming up at the end of October.

Questions: if I don't plan on applying until next year, would it still be beneficial for me to attend the workshops and meet with the law schools? Is there an advantage to attending the forum a year early? Is the event even worth attending at all? If there is benefit, what is it and how can I benefit most?

Would appreciate feedback from anyone who was in my situation or who has in general attended the forums.

Hey everyone! I know I haven't been too active in the discussion posts, but I read them every day and they are so helpful! I just wanted to share my experience for anyone who needs an extra pick-me-up, as I often came to the discussion posts for positivity. I took my diagnostic test in February of 2018, and got a 141. Thank goodness it was just practice, because I felt that I was sure that I was not going to law school after that exam. I gave up for a few months, and bought 7Sage in June and decided to just try it and take the September exam and see how it went. If I didn't do well then I would have just picked a new career path. Over the summer, I fell in love with the exam. I actually had fun studying, which is a sentence that I don't think I've ever said. After busting my butt all summer, I walked into the September exam feeling like a queen, and I walked out feeling like I did about my usual practice test scores which by the end of the summer was around a 157. I was happy with going from a 141 to a 157 in about 3 months, but I just got my score back and I got a 162!!! I can't even begin to explain the amount of happy tears that were shed. If you are feeling down, take a break, and restart! This exam is possible to learn, if you put the hard work into it. The first time I took the practice and got a 141, I only got 3 correct on the Logic Games section. On the September exam, I only missed 1 LG question! I'm not going to lie to you, I did nothing but study for 6 hours a day for 3 months, but going from a 141 to a 162 is one of the best feelings I have ever had. Please keep your head up because if I can do it, then you can too! Thank you JY and 7Sage! You made learning fun, and I owe my success story to you!

Just wondering (to give myself some hope), has anyone on here seen a twenty point increase from their diagnostic as a result of intensive study? Specifically from the mid 150's to the mid 170's? If so, any advice?

Besides working or volunteering, does anyone have any other ideas for interesting learning experiences? I know I am looking for a way to develop my leadership skills and overall bring a project idea to life. I am also interested in doing legal research for a journal or even volunteering for a law professor, but I can see how it'd be difficult undertaking legal work now without having any any formal legal training.

How do fellow 7sagers view a gap year before law school or simply a gap year from work and school responsibilities? Thanks for sharing!

Hi everyone,

I'll be taking the Oct Lsat on the 14th, and until just now I've been PTing+BR 3 times a week. My PT scores for older PTs (50-69) were within 168-172, but as I started working on the 70's my average PT score declined to the mid 160's. I am worried about the test due to the decrease in my score, so I purchased 7Sage Starter course (I regret I didn't use it earlier) to go over the fundamentals. As of today I used all PTs except the 80's, preptest C, and C2. For the rest of the days until the LSAT, I'm planning to do some 7sage CC (focusing on LR) but also want to do 2 or 3 PTs before the test. Which PTs should I use? And also which of JY's videos among the CC were most helpful to you?

Thank you in advance guys :)

Hi all.

I graduated college last December and basically committed myself to studying for the LSAT since January of 2018. I worked a very flexible part-time job that allowed me to study more or less 15-20 hours a week. My original intention was to take the LSAT in June.

However, in hindsight, my studying was pretty ineffective. I went through the Bibles and took very detailed notes and then registered for 7sage in March (also taking very detailed notes on the lessons.) I kind of ignored practice tests or even practice sections. I guess a good analogy would be that I was reading books on how to play the piano without ever practicing on a piano.

I pushed my test to September and tried taking a practice test every week or so beginning in late July. By the time I had taken the test, I had maybe 7 or 8 PTs completed. Unfortunately, I didn't blind review them like I know I should've and I also didn't spend enough time on logic games (always my worst section.) My scores were in the mid 160s with a one time high of 170.

I sat for the September test and ended up with a 162. My diagnostic back in January was 153. I know I have the potential to do a lot better. My goal is a 170. I have a 4.0 GPA and I'd love to go to a T-14 or a T1 school on a large scholarship (I'm very debt averse.)

I left my job and will be committing myself to just taking PTs, timed sections, blind reviewing, and fool proofing from now until November. Is it possible to see an 8 point improvement by the November test? I hope to take 3 PTs a week between now and the exam.

Some other miscellaneous information:

On PTs, my best section has always been LR. I usually got 1-3 wrong on each LR section. For the September exam, I got -15 (9 and 6) on LR - my worst section. Ironically, I did pretty well on LG - only 2 wrong, despite usually going -5 on LG during PTs.

So unfortunately for those of us who are retaking the LSAT in November explanations for the September 2018 probably won't be available until after we sit for our November exam so I'm looking for any tips to help me( and my fellow retakers) review the September 2018 LSAT. I am definitely a little concerned that I'll hit the questions that I got wrong and even after reviewing the questions I still won't understand why I got them wrong and why the correct answers are correct ?

Hi everyone,

I've taken all of the PTs 60 onwards in full. Does it make sense to redo the more recent ones (78-84) as I get closer to the November test date, or should I take the earlier PTs that I haven't taken before? Thanks so much!

Hey everybody!

So I've been going back to PTs19-28 for the past month and have been averaging -3 on RC (which is great for me). Then I just took a more recent test and got killed on the comparative passage. This is what I'm thinking about my strategy:

Read each passage, marking 3-word summaries in the margins of the paragraphs. At the end of each passage, write the main idea of each passage. I will try to consider them individually at first to get a good sense of one without always thinking about how it interacts with the other.

Then, I'll write a little table. At the top I write "Link:" and find the theme/idea that essentially links these two passages. In the table, I'll write two columns: S (for similarities), D (for differences). I'll list what they have in common, and ideas they do not share at all. Id like to do this work up front, because I think I wouldn't struggle with the questions and have to go back to the text all that much.

Does anyone have any strategies they'd like to share?

hey all,

so i've been really grappling with this question. 11 out of the top 15 law schools accept the GRE - Harvard, Chicago, Columbia, NYU, UVA, Penn, Georgetown, Cornell, Northwestern, Texas.

Through my 1.5 years of studying for the LSAT, I've realized it's really hard. I've done all the PT's from 30-63, and I am scoring in the mid 160s timed, BR score is mid 170s.

Honestly, I'm feeling kinda burned out of the LSAT. The thought of hundreds of more hours of fool proofing more games, blind reviewing, etc. is putting a lot of weight on me. There's also the constant fear of underperforming on my LSAT (I haven't taken it yet), only to have to retake it again.

I've really considered the GRE. From what I've heard, the GRE is A LOT easier, and could be prepared for in a MUCH shorter amount of time than the LSAT.

From my friend who got into HLS with her GRE:

"The LSAT is so time consuming!! If we HAVE to take the LSAT, I would have. But if I can get in with the GRE, why put myself through the torture? GRE was two weeks of intense study, the LSAT would be like, 12 months."

She skipped the LSAT, took the GRE, and is a 1L at HLS.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be welcome. Thanks!

Hi...

I need some help in depicting what went wrong.

I started studying since mid-April with a 149 start.

My first exam in July was a 155.

I've been consistently PTing around 160-164.

And my September exam was shot down to 148.

I don't know what happened. Yes, test conditions were horrible, but I don't think that's an excuse.

I haven't studied once since the September exam and now, I'm terrified.

I've lost all confidence and I'm scared. I don't know what to do.

I was planning to send in my applications this Wednesday, but now I'm completely lost.

I can't get into the schools that I was planning to apply, and I wasn't planning on lowering my standards too much.

My GPA is 3.72 and I'm not a URM, but a veteran.

I just feel hopeless and I don't know where to start.

I know in my mind I should sign up for the November exam, but with this devastation, I'm having a difficult time overcoming it.

What do I need to do? I know... I should have studied a bit, in case of situations like this... but I can't do anything with lost time.

Do I go on with the 155 or sign up for November? I won't even know if it's an improved score or worse score...

I keep getting emails from Mitchell Hamlin, and it got me to really think about hybrid schools (online and intensive in-person classes).

Where I live, it is 4 hours to the nearest law school. I would have to move and live away from home, causing hardship at home and racking up student loan Bill's in the meantime. It is not preferable, but it's the only options here at all. So, a hybrid program is looking really appealing to me right now. I'm actually shocked that ASU hasnt already done this, and I'll probably email them to see if maybe they are considering it in the near future. They already do a vast amount of online degrees and classwork.

Anyway, I wanted to know what folks thought of Mitchell Hamlin and Syracuse Law. There are three schools as of the 2019 year, but Southwestern is looking less appealing to me than the other two. I want a law degree, but I dont want a University of Phoenix kind of law degree that might not help me (sorry South Western). So, I would love any knowledge or feedback from fellow 7Sagers. What say you?

Hi all,

My account expired on Sunday Sept 30th while I was gone away for my cousins wedding for the past week. It completely slipped my mind to extend my account before the wedding, and now all of my Preptests that I bought are all gone! TBH I am slightly panicking, does anyone know who I should contact to see if I can get my account back to how it was? I really don't want (don't have $$) to buy all the exams all over again :(

#help

Hello, I took the sept lsat and am not satisfied with my score. I actually took the testmasters course but our teacher was very inexperienced and more interested in is own 170+ score and his law school application. I don’t fully blame the teacher but I’m really not happy with the results of the course (score was worse than my first diagnostic in July). Additionally, the week before the exam, I knew I was getting sick and my body crashed right after I took the test and I was sick for over a week. I am pretty sure that had something to do with my disappointing score. I didn’t know about 7sage until this past weekend and I plan to take the November exam. But I wanted to reach out to those in the course to see which program would be best for me. I have materials to self study but would like to learn alternative ways to prepare.