Hey guys can you direct me to some flaw questions where the answer is the Sufficiency/Necessity answer? Especially the tough ones.

So I've nailed logic games, I've implemented a new strategy for LR where I pay more attention to structure and ive been doing better so far, but my RC is totally screwed up. A) a lot of the time I don't get to every question, and B) most of my mistakes are from Inference and Authors Perspective questions.

I make the right answer choices during BR but I just can't seem to time myself correctly.

Should I spend more time on timed RC which would lead to less time on LR and LG review? I don't plan on doing BR for RC , I feel like LR skills translate into skills needed for RC questions. But my timing is way off. I took PT 63 and got a 167 but I missed like 5-8 questions in total, and rushed RC making stupid mistakes just to get to the next question. I feel like I can't retain enough info to be able to make inferences ...I go back and skim portions of the passage to affirm my inferences. Should I rely more on skimming and going back during questions or nailing it after the first pass?

I'm having trouble differentiating the IC from the premises and I don't like IC questions in general...if something leads to a conclusion then it makes sense that it's evidence/fact/premise. It's hard to understand what IC even does. It's like a conclusion that's not the overarching conclusion but it gives support to it.

If we have facts that are all linked to each other in a causal chain, let's say like 5 sentences/relations ,,, and these set of facts, going from one to the other, leads to an ultimate conclusion, where do we draw a line between this chain and say "okay, everything before this led up to this sentence, and this sentence directly supports the main conclusion, so this is the IC".

Is my definition or idea of it wrong? Is the IC, where it exists, a tangent conclusion or is it just the next broadest point in the argument? And I know the conclusion indicators and all but it's still tough. I feel like LSAC chooses to call some things a premise and some things an Intermediary Conclusion.

LR has just flattened me. I feel like I can't break the code. I get easy questions wrong, hard questions seem easy and medium is anyone's guess. My score is stagnant and I'm getting that creeping feeling of "you just can't improve" or "160 is the best you can do".

I want to implode. I can't let this test win. Help me!

Terrible...just terrible! Grrrrrr&%$^#@!! Has anyone else experienced this? I wanted to burn and shred my last PT and throw something at it. Any suggestions? Just curious...PLEASE TELL ME I'M NOT ALONE!

Hi everyone, could someone please verify that I will be able to still see my score and answers on the real LSAT if I decide to cancel the scoring within the 6 days?

Hello guys

At this point that June LSAT is coming, I am not clear about what I should do for the remaining one week.

My plan is to take a practice test (PT78) on Monday and for the rest of the week do individual sections.

The reason why I don't want to keep taking practice tests during the week is that I don't want to de-motivate or lose confidence in the case that my score turns out be bad. Also, doing individual sections can help me to fine tune and solidify strategies for each section and not exclude blind review.

Any feedback or thought is welcome.

I hope you guys have a victory in June LSAT

Thanks

Starting in mid-2018, LSAC will increase the number of LSAT testing dates from four to six annually. The 2018-2019 transitional testing year will extend from June 2018 through June 2019. There will be an additional administration in July 2019, which will begin the 2019-2020 testing year.

The schedule is at:

http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/jd-docs/testdateweb.pdf

When you have extra time at the end of an LR section, is it strategically wiser to first go back to questions you flat out skipped (due to their initial perceived difficulty) or to questions completed but marked for review due to some uncertainty?

By "uncertainty" I mean those questions where you have a somewhat high degree of certainty but just slightly (like 70% certainty or so). Since every question is worth 1 point, would it be best to prioritize these questions or those that you just flat out skipped?

Are the old exams like the ones in the years of the 90's worded oddly? Because it's really hard for me to decipher what they are saying on many of the Lr problems and the games verbiage....don't even get me started!

I'm signed up for the LSAT on June 12th and I feel about 90% of where I want to be but not quite ready to where I'd be willing to burn a test prior to the changes. Now that I don't have to worry about test limits, maybe I should just take it and hope for the best. Do you think schools will still take your highest score or maybe now with the changes they will start averaging since people may be incentivized to take as many tests as possible since there aren't yet any downsides.

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I'm just starting the intro to logic section and I'm a bit confused. What is a sufficient condition? What is a necessary condition?

Hey all,

This morning I dove into the cement pool that is Game 2 from June 2000.

I consider myself a 'solid' gamer. I average -3 on a full timed section give or a take a question. A number with which I would be perfectly fine on test day, by the way. However, this game has 7 questions (why? just why?) and could easily take that score to a -7, if not worse.

I've noticed that all of these PT's with the 'dreaded' games offer more cushion, even at the top. For instance, 87/101 on the June 2000 LSAT clicks a 170.

How prevalent are games of this level of difficulty on the more modern LSATs? I think I would drop dead in there if I were to see a game like this. Especially game #2!!!!!

Admin edit:

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-31-section-1-game-2/

So, as some of you may know games are my lease intuitive section.

I am currently fool proofing PTs 1-35 and I am seeing some improvement. (Using an adapted version of @Pacifico's method)

My question is how many games do you aim to do a day?

A full LG Section worth (4-Games)? More/Less?

Lately, I've been aiming to do about an LG section a day. I follow the fool proof guide exactly as prescribed.

I'm curious to know how those of you who have successfully fool proofed the bundle spread them out? Basically, how long did it take. I know, I know, the journey is never over. But let's assume your first time through fool proofing PTs 1-35?

Also, should we wait until we have done all the fool proofing to begin PTs?

Thank you :)

Does the LSAT reuse questions from other tests, i.e. The GMAT? I looked up one of the LR questions (preptest 32 section 4 question 10, western moral values), and a bunch of GMAT forums came up with the exact same stimulus, question, answer choices, and correct answer!

LSAT is in two weeks (little less). Having learned the hard way, please take this advice if you're grinding hard right now. Don't be sitting all day long studying from morning to night.

Before you possibly dismiss this advice because it sounds like you're being told to eat your vegetables, gather round and listen..

Get atleast like 30 minutes of some kind of exercise every day, come home and eat a clean and light meal and continue studying. Exercise and healthy eating not only has the obvious benefit of making all you sexy people look even sexier for the summer, but getting home from a workout/jog/movement, I've noticed I'm much more hyped and attentive and my brain feels like a well oiled machine.

If your practice test scores are leveling off and not going up and you're studying all day long and you just don't know why, it's because you can't study this sedentary way for the LSAT and you're not giving yourself time to reflect on the new information and give your brain a break.

On days that I bummed it and studied all day with no break no exercise and eating foods that weren't wholesome, my scores were lower than on days where I got some exercise and took breaks and ate cleaner meals. I am 100% sure that this was true in my case and by LSAT logic it obviously doesn't have to be true in all cases but give me the benefit of the doubt for a second!

You might feel okay right now and rested and your stomach is full and you're feeling warm, but I know the grind is tough. Studying for days on end and only moving from your bed to your desk, your thinking skills will get sluggish. I'm not selling you a fitness plan...I'm not a fitness guy by any means,but I think that this is how you maximize your mental capacity and agility leading up to the test and while you study. It's the second aspect of studying that MOST people completely ignore and not only ignore, but completely work against.

I was studying this wrong way leading up to my first LSAT in February. My diagnostic was in the 150s and my PT scores got to the high 160s which was my realistic goal. a few PTs went by and my scores were going down to the lower 160s where they leveled off at like 162 from the previous 167,168s I was getting. The week before the test my PT average dropped to 160 and 161 and even lower on test day to a 158. It was unimaginable. I was guessing my way (figuratively) to a 158 at my peak!!

When I started studying again, it took a week to get into the groove of things and now I'm reviewing old practice tests and realize I've made some very VERY stupid mistakes (that I didn't catch before even after reviewing)! nothing had changed except I was fresh n ready to go. The only difference now is that I took a break and study maybe 5-6 hours a day instead of 10-12 and maybe you need more or maybe you need less, but don't be afraid to take an hour or two away from studying in order to recuperate. If anything, it's actually part of studying so you're not wasting time.

we are studying what's IN the practice test book so hard that we forget to train the parts of us that are tested during the test. Just like you can play a sport like football and think you'll get better at tackling people just by repeated tackles, when in reality there are supplemental courses of action that these athletes take to assist them with it.

Or in LSAT terms, just because something (studying) contributes to an outcome (your highest possible score), it doesn't mean that it guarantees it.

Don't beat yourselves up, and please, try it for just one day and see how your studying goes the day after. We think we're grinding hard by being in our chairs all day when in reality we are being sedentary and it's messin with our potential.

The difference between my actual timed score and my blind review score is a very big gap. Even from 157 to 165-8 (respectively). Timing is my main weakness. My goal score is a 170+. If I plan to take the September LSAT, which gives me roughly three months from now, what can I do to better my endurance, speed, and accuracy? How many simulated prep tests a week? I will be studying full time this summer and taking a couple online classes at my university, but not working –– so I anticipate having a lot of time to study if I'm not working for my online classes.

How many simulated practice tests had you all done when you began breaking into the 170s? etc.

In between practice tests, I usually drill games, the 10 copies I have of each one from PT 1-35. I still have plenty more copies! Anyways, I need as much advice as possible so please enlighten me, guys!! xx

I'm currently in NYC (LES), just graduated, and determined to devote my entire summer to studying for the LSATs so I can take the upcoming September 2017 LSAT. I think it would be mutually helpful to BR with someone else!

I have a schedule set up to take every preptest between 36-80. I'm also in the September 2017 study group on Sundays at 7PM. I made my schedule to cater around that one. Please let me know if you're interested!

Had a quick question, the LSAT course prices that are posted online, have they already included the cost of taxes, or are they added on when you attempt to make the purchase? Was just trying to determine the total cost in Canadian, which would be about $242 on my credit card statement if there are no additional taxes. A prompt reply will be greatly appreciated, thanks

Proctors: For the most part, the proctors seemed like they knew what was going on. I had no issues with them. They chatted before and during breaks, but were not distracting during the test. They walked around a little bit, but not irritatingly so. They were clearly students, but I'm not sure if law students or not.

Facilities: There were bathrooms just outside the lecture halls/test rooms. For the males, the bathrooms were busy on break, but I could get in and out pretty quick. Just outside the building there is a Starbucks that wasn't too busy and with a bathroom too.

What kind of room: It was what I've noticed to be the modern law school setup. It was a lecture hall with continuous desk/table layout divided into three sections. Perfect lighting, and even better, the desk space was amazing! You could have everything laid out with plenty of space. Each row was on its own level, and all levels were separated by one step.

How many in the room: About 60, with the room about 70% full. Was not cramped at all.

Desks: The desks were lecture hall styled continuous running desks. So everyone in the same row is pretty much on the same desk as it runs across the hall. The middle section had as many as 5 or 6, while the side sections had a max of 2.

Left-handed accommodation: With continuous desks, I don't see this as an issue.

Noise levels: Very low, I didn't even hear anyone else turn their text book pages. Seemed really odd to me how quiet it was.

Parking: I think there was free street parking by the school, but it was early and I didn't trust the street sign. I opted to park in the Seattle University visitor lot which costs $6.00 for 12 hours on the weekend. The visitor lot is just a 2 minute walk from the law school building.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: LSAC said check in by 8:30, but the proctors didn't start checking in people until 8:30. By the time they processed all the testers and sent them to their respective lecture halls to start the test, it was around 9:30.

Irregularities or mishaps: None.

Other comments: The proctors sat the testers front to back as they checked in. If you want to sit in front, get in line early. If you want to sit in back, get in the back part of the line.

Would you take the test here again? Yes, absolutely. It really was about perfect. If I were to change anything, I'd show up at 8:30. I showed up at 8:00 and had to wait until almost 9:00 just to get a seat.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: 06 FEB 2016

just wanted to say good luck to everyone heading for that count down till the test.. and to tell a short story, I met a guy at the library who saw me studying and told me his first lsat after studying months getting 157-162 was a 168, and his second was a 173. he said that once he got over the fear of not doing as well as he wanted to, he was more focused and it helped, so I know were all quietly freaking out ( i am ) but remember, .... Paralegals get paid well too.. just kidding, remember its just a test and you can always take it again. As cliche as this sounds, you have to believe in yourself!

Hi all,

I was just curious what people's experiences were with overtraining. Specifically:

Thanks in advance.

Let's say I'm taking the newer LSAT questions 2011-2014 and I've been scoring well and for the 2010 LSATS I'm not doing as hot.. does it matter that the tests are older and perhaps made a bit differently/harder?

If you are having trouble with Logic, or maybe just interested in gaining a more in-depth understanding of logic then check out this book:

Introduction to Logic (2nd Edition)

by Gensler

This was one of the first text books I used in in undergrad for an Intro to Logic class. I recently came across it in a box with all my other books from undergrad and decided to give it a quick skim -- turned out to be a great refresher!

It goes way more in-depth than anyone taking the LSAT would need, but still, I think it really has helped me understand the logic that undergirds much of the test. Even reading a few chapters I think would be of great supplement to anyone from beginners to high scorers alike. No need to read the entire thing, even skimming through it would be worth it. Especially the relevant chapters!