I got a question for high scorers; when you see an argument like PT 22 - Section 4 - Question 21 that have sufficiency necessity confusion but you decide to not map it out, do you have a absolute certainty that it is sufficiency necessity confusion or you just have a feeling for it? I am asking because when I read the question I thought it probably is sufficiency necessity confusion but I was not 100% sure until I mapped it out during BR.

Hey guys! I hope your study is going well... I just have a few questions you may be able to help with:)

I have been a bit confused on the exact definition of a few common words that continue to appear on LR Answer Choices. For example, "It qualifies the conclusion of the argument." I have always thought that to qualify something, you make it more relevant, or more suitable. Or to be eligible for something. Is this what the LSAT writer means as well?

And another, "Takes for granted that there are only two possible alternative explanations." Does this mean that, the argument assumes that there are only two explanations, without supporting with evidence?

And lastly, is there a difference between "Phenomenon and Correlation?" JY's lesson explains that Correlation includes two events happening concurrently but many answer choices use the word, "Phenomenon" in a confusing way. They use it when the stimulus seems only to address simply a causation/correlation event.

I am sure there is some document out there that defines the LSAT's common words..if so, I would LOVE to see that:D

Thank you all for the help!!

-Hannah

Hi guys, after advanced logic I ended up skipping the logic games lessons because I wanted to focus on just lr. I am now going to start the logic games part of the curriculum (I have just done linear games). I was wondering if I would miss out on anything by just doing the reading comprehension and LR section on the trainer and skipping the logic games (because I want to use 7sage solely for that). What do you think, and are the lessons interlaced in anyway in the trainer?

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Hi all, first time poster here!

I've done quite a few practice tests and while there is (happily) a general upward trend between all of them, my last 5 are sort of all over the place with 10 points between the best and worst and no decipherable trend. While it seems like one should be scoring within a certain range (for example, 160-165), I am not sure what the acceptable limits of the range are- that is, a 10-point range seems way too large to accurately predict a potential test-day score. So my questions are:

1. What does constitute as an acceptable range within which one can reasonably get a good idea of what their score will be on test day? 5 points? 6? 7? What is your range from your last 5 tests, and do you feel it accurately reflects your potential?

2. How does one differentiate between a representative score on a PT and an outlier score? (An outlier score being one that is way above or way below the mainstream, and since it doesn't fit in with the general trend, may not actually represent anything of significance.) Example: Did I score 175, which is x points above my average, because I'm legitimately improving, or because I got lucky that day?

3. Any tips on making scores more consistent? All of my sections are usually +/- 5 EXCEPT for RC which is either real good or real bad and never in between...

Thank you all in advance for the help!

Hello!

Like some of you, I am feeling the effects of burnout and am still planning to test in September after consistently hitting my target. However, I was wondering what all of your takes were on reading for pleasure in the meantime. For example, I was thinking about beginning the 4th Harry Potter book, but wasn't sure if this was a good idea. Any input would be greatly appreciated!

Sometimes when I would study for the LSAT I often wondered what was the history behind the exam and how it came to be. I noticed the first LSAT with a pdf file was in 1991 and I always wondered how did individuals become lawyers prior to the first LSAT. I found a pdf article about the topic and wanted to share it.

http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/publications-(lsac-resources)/history-lsac-lsat.pdf

*Copy and Paste Link*

LSAC says "no erasers with sleeves" (http://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/day-of-test).

I'm pretty sure they meant erasers with paper wrapping that you can easily take off and on.

I use this eraser because it's so easy and quick for me to erase things on my answer sheet: https://www.amazon.com/Pentel-Eraser-Retractable-Assorted-ZE21BP3-K6/dp/B001HA77OO

But it has a black case. Is this considered a sleeve? Any help or insight would be appreciated. Thank you!

Worst case scenario, I'm thinking the proctor looks at my eraser and tells me to chuck it, in which case I'll have brought a back-up plain eraser.

I have taken lot of PTs old and new and have all of the recent PTs except for C2 (the previously undisclosed test in Superprep 2). I do not want to leave any stone unturned but within reason. $20 for one PT (I already have the other two from Superprep 2) seems silly unless (group 3 negate sufficient) there is a definite benefit. Is it recent (does anyone even know)? Does it have unusual games? I am probably leaning toward getting it but wanted to see what experience people have with it and what advice that experience would generate.

Hey Dallas 7sagers,

I am about to register for December LSAT and two test centers that are available within 30 minutes from me are Collin College Mckinney and Bill J priest institute. I was wondering if anybody has had experience with either of them and can tell me more about them. Which one should I pick?

Thank you for your help. :)

I'm at the point that I just don't know what's wrong with me and why I can't break into the high 160's/170's. Somebody please tell me, because I'm lost. I planned on talking Sep exam and am now panicking.

First, I have always been under the assumption that I can just keep studying till I get the score I want. That's why I've been at this for so long. Here is my history. I have taken Testsmasters in-class course twice. I did the LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim. And most recently done 7Sage. I have taken every LSAT except 76 and 77 (Scores below ordered in the date I took them). When I blind review exams I always get almost a perfect score if not a perfect 180, so I get the concepts. I never run out of time except maybe 3 questions on games and sometimes have to rush my last RC passage a bit and complete in say 5 minuets. The questions I get wrong are a random assortment of easy/hard/different types of questions. It's worth noting that my two biggest jumps were after a prolonged break (easier to see if the info below is graphed). And so I'm wondering if maybe I should just kick my feet up till Sep 24th in order to make another jump. My typical day consists of finishing my 8hrs at work and studying 3-4 hours after work. At this point... I feel like I'm just an idiot. I have studied the LSAT more than anyone I know or read about. I'm about ready to pull my hair out. Any advice?

# Date Taken Score

61 7/19/2013 140 (Day 1 of Testmasters Course 1)

63 8/17/2013 145

54 8/19/2013 147

55 8/22/2013 146

64 9/7/2013 148

56 9/18/2013 152

65 9/28/2013 152

62 9/30/2014 146 (Apx Day 1 of Testmasters Course 2)

68 10/4/2014 153

55 10/11/2014 153

56 10/12/2014 154

58 10/19/2014 155

64 11/8/2014 149

65 11/15/2014 155

67 11/22/2014 156

52 3/11/2015 162

53 6/8/2015 158

7 6/14/2015 164 (The LSAT Trainer Book Diagnostic)

54 6/14/2015 160

9 6/18/2015 161

10 6/22/2015 156

11 6/23/2015 160

12 6/30/2015 159

13 7/8/2015 160

15 7/9/2015 155

16 7/11/2015 160

14 7/12/2015 162

18 7/12/2015 161

19 7/13/2015 158

20 7/16/2015 158

21 7/28/2015 163

22 8/4/2015 161

23 8/5/2015 162

24 8/6/2015 162

25 8/11/2015 161

26 8/11/2015 163

28 8/18/2015 166

29 8/19/2015 160

30 8/20/2015 161

27 12/19/2015 166

31 12/20/2015 154

46 1/24/2016 157 (7Sage Studies began)

47 1/30/2016 161

48 2/7/2016 155

49 2/15/2016 162

50 2/25/2016 161

51 2/27/2016 164

45 3/16/2016 164

32 3/17/2016 166

33 3/21/2016 165

34 3/22/2016 163

35 3/27/2016 163

36 4/2/2016 166

37 4/3/2016 163

39 5/23/2016 164

40 5/26/2016 163

41 5/28/2016 162

42 6/4/2016 163

38 7/1/2016 165

43 7/6/2016 163

44 7/8/2016 161

57 7/12/2016 162

59 7/21/2016

69 7/24/2016 162

70 7/31/2016 165

71 8/7/2016 158

71.5 8/8/2016 162

72 8/23/2016 163

73 8/26/2016

74 8/28/2016 158

75 9/3/2016 160

76

77

For example buy 10 explanation credits at a time and you can use them for any question on any PT that has a video.

I don't need to have the videos to every question on every test but would like to watch a couple on every PT I have taken. I won't spend $30 to have 2 questions explained but I would consider $1-$2 for each question.

Peace and Love fam.

I'm so incredibly pissed. I started studying in late June with the goal to take the LSAT in September. I know that's not a lot of time to study, but I am a full time teacher and I really have no other choice because I can't split focus between work and studies. So after going through the course, I began recording my LSATs with perfectly simulated conditions. I started from #39. As of now, I just completed #66, so I have 12 left.

Here is the deal, I have been doing so incredibly bad lately. My Average on my first 10 was 164.7, median was 165. On the next 10 my average was 166, median was 155.5. I actually got a 170 on LSAT #51. Now I have finished 8 more, and my average on those is 164.37, with a median of 164. My last test was a 162, and the one before that was a 163. wtf?

My LR has been consistently very good barring a few outliers; my LG went from atrocious, to bad, to slightly better but still bad. My RC has plummeted. I get 3x as much wrong now.

Honestly, it's the worst feeling in the word. I have to finish the next 12 over 19 days, (I'm at least spacing out the last 3 with lots of relaxation in the last week), and I'm starting to feel like I'm doomed to failure. I really want to go to USC or UCLA, but I'd need to get a 167 to have a shot, given the fact that my GPA is so low from my 3rd year of college - Computer Science was not my thing and I had to be my mom's caretaker. I know that I can explain that stuff in the application, but honestly it would be stupid for those universities to gamble on someone because of their situation when they have more than enough applicants that are getting better scores.

Anyways, venting over. I'm sure there are others out there experiencing the same crap.

Hello! So, I took the 2007 PT and I am checking each answer regardless of whether I got it riht or wrong. Is this a good idea? I feel like it's taking up too much time (I'm behind a week). Should I just check those that I got wrong/skipped?

Is this allowed? I feel like it will cut down on time transferring answers.

I recently did a preptest (PT 42) and scored within my average score (Which is good!) but usually my BR score is 10 points higher (which is always encouraging) but this time around my BR score was only 5 points higher. When I looked through to see what went wrong, I noticed that a large amount of the questions I had originally gotten correct under exam conditions, I then got wrong through blind review.

-I'm just curious if this is a common occurrence?

-Have I reached a point where I can intuitively tackle questions under timed conditions but when I stop to try to figure things out without time limitations then I over think things? -- If so, I'm not sure how to deal with that (a bit of a gamble to hope that my intuition is sound)

Also, I've noticed my RC sections have consistently been horrible ranging from -13 to -11.

-What are everyone's advice on drilling RC?

-I'm trying to use the memory method but I'm not sure how much annotation I'm allowed to do as I read.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

So I'm just wrapping up learning the four basic groups and have a question on groups three and four. I know it doesn't matter which one you pick as long you stick to the rule(G3=Sufficient and G4=Necessary), but for speed purposes I created my own rule and wanted to know if there was ever a chance that rule could be wrong. So I always do the first idea and make it the sufficient indicator and the second the necessary. For the obvious reason that that would put them on the same side of the "arrow" consistently. But could I be setting myself up for a mistake? Does anyone else do this rule?

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With a little over 20 days from the test I have hit a wall. Every time I sit down to do a PT, I simply cannot. I can't seem to focus. I'll do the first section, get the second and my concentration is gone. I found myself just drawing blanks. I may have lost a little motivation to sit down for 3 hours. I seem to do find drilling sections at a time. Has this happened to anyone? Any ideas how to combat this and quickly?

So I am scheduled for September, but lately I have been having such inconsistent PT's. From 147-163 within the past three weeks. BR's only seem to make me more uncertain. Goal is 160. Averaging about 156. Any advice?

Just wondering, how many PTs are you guys doing now that we have 3 weeks left to go ...

I don't want to burn myself out and I want to actually absorb what I'm learning, however I haven't done too many PTs (maybe like 5 full ones, even though I've been studying part-time since March) so would a PT every day be too much (1 timed, the next day untimed and so on) .... or should I stick to 2-3 per week? Also, I'm planning to study 8-10 hours a day until test day.

I started with a 140, last PT was 151, aiming for 160 on the 24th. Too ambitious? My part-time studying hasn't allowed me to fully absorb the material which is why I haven't increased my score as much as I wanted to :(

Thank you for any responses!

Hey guys,

I've had this thing with making copies of all pts. It's gotten really bad. I've ripped all of the pages from all my 10 Actual books and filed them along with 2 copies of every pt for actual and br. I feel like it's just better to not think about it and have it all there. It's been a long process but im finally finished making copies.

At first I got this for drilling

http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/1378288/Office-Depot-Brand-19-Pocket-Expanding/

Then this for future pt's

http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/1396738/Office-Depot-Brand-Expanding-File-Case/

But it's looking like im going to get this.

http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/287154/Bankers-Box-StorFile-Basic-Strength-65percent/

Trial and error baby. When im done, I'll recycle it all, or donate it. How are you guys filing?

Would it be possible to have a copy of the LSAT map? It's a great reference, however I would really like to have a PDF version printed so I can reference it while I listen to each lesson. I know it would help me piece together all the lessons better as I am going through the core curriculum.

I stupidly ignored the updates about changing my photo before the deadline, because I uploaded the same photo that I used for my June take and figured that it would be fine for September. Just now, I realized that it doesn't conform to the 2x2 box (I'm assuming that this is a new guideline). Now that I can't change my photo, does anybody have any recommendations about what I should do? Im tempted to ignore it, but I know that that is most likely a bad call.

Thanks in advance.

I am taking the LSAT on September 24 and am currently hitting a little higher than my desired score. I have been taking 2 tests a week (Wednesday and Saturday). I plan on keeping to this routine until Saturday September 17, which will be the last PT I take. I am curious if, and when, it is a good time to stop scoring PTs before test day?