Unfortunately, I have ALREADY registered for my Sept exam but I won't be able to get the score I want by Sept. Things didn't work out according to plan and I really don't know what to do.

My originally plan was to take about 20-30 PTs before my first actual exam, but as of now, I'm only able to drill by section to increase my speed. I miss about 5-6 questions in LR and have 6 minutes left before the last logic game. I'm not able to read all 4 RC passages and even the ones I do get to read, I get 1-3 wrongs per passage. RC is my worst nightmare and I don't know whether keep drilling it will increase my speed. But when I redo all of the above sections untimed during my BR, I get 85%-100% right. They are not really hard to solve and understand when I don't do them under timed conditions (except for the hardest RC passages) but I get stressed out, nervous, and rush through questions during timed conditions that I don't get to understand some sentences and overlook some key words. For instance, there is always at least one weirdly worded rule in logic games that makes me freeze and hurt my confidence to solve questions accurately. That disappointment and fear have psychological impact on my performance and makes me keep doubt whether I indeed translated the rest of the rules accurately. Overall, it frustrates me that there are many questions that are solvable but I just can't do them properly and accurately because I THINK I don't have enough time and I ACTUALLY don't have enough time. So I came to the conclusion that it's more practical of me to raise my LR and LG speed & score to compensate for my weak RC skills given the amount of time I got.

With these timing issues to overcome, I need to begin my PTing phase next week. I don't think doing about 15 PTs will be enough of practice before the actual test. Ideally, I want to take about 35-40 PTs, but realistically, it's unfeasible by Sept. I'm pretty sure I won't reach in the low 160s by Sept (especially due to this huge timing issue with RC) but I need at least high160s to apply to my dream schools. So I'm thinking of taking the Sept test to just get the experience of taking the exam with many people under stressful conditions and cancelling the score right after the test to not leave any record of unwanted score. I will keep on studying after the first exam, and hopefully by Dec, I will get enough practice with all of my 3 sections (especially RC) to reach my target score and take the Dec exam with no plan of cancelling the score. And by Jan/early Feb, I will be ready to send my applications to my dream schools. Even if I really screw up my Dec exam, I will be able to take one last exam in Feb. I also don't intend to apply for 2018 admission and take any more exams after Feb. I must apply for the fall 2017 admission.

So I'm not sure whether postponing the test date (by paying $90) is a good idea because that would mean losing money and the chance to experience what it's really like taking the exam at the test center. Similarly, if I get a refund, I only get $50 back and I lose the chance to practice under actual test conditions. In my country, I'm not able to even enter the classrooms where the test will be taken because I'm not one of the school's students, doors are closed, classes are being held, and etc. I won't have the opportunity to practice at the test center like some people can abroad. I actually went to the test center in June to check out and get some info on the test center and one of the people who are in charge of administering the exam explicitly told me that I can't enter any of the rooms to practice. She asked me why I'm being so sensitive about the exam. Um...ok. I may be a sensitive person but I mean isn't this supposed to be a serious exam? Haha.

Anyway, the only concern I have about cancelling the score is what if it in anyway hurts my application? If you were in my shoes, what would you do?

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Has this ever happened? Also, how frequent are combination games ?

An argument states that: Maria won this year's sailboat race by beating Sue, who has in each of the four last years. We can conclude from this that Maria trained hard.

Premise: Maria won this year by beating Sue who won the last 4 years

Conclusion: Maria trained hard.

I was between these two answers and chose the first one incorrectly:

1. If Maria trained hard, she would win the sailboat race

2. Maria could beat a four time winner only if she trained hard

The explanation says that the first one (the one I picked) is a mistaken reversal, but how am I supposed to know how to conditionally diagram this??

Why couldn't it be diagrammed as if maria trained hard she won, instead of if maria won she trained hard?

Hi guys so I have noticed while going through the SA and PSA questions that the answer choice must have the conclusion in the necessary condition. This is very important for me as I often miss answers because of this. Can anyone expand on the theory and understanding behind this and why it occurs. That would help me out a lot. Thanks in advance :)

So I just have a quick question about percentiles. On the june LSAT I scored a 158 and on the LSAC website, it's says that's the 74th percentile. In comparing the 74th percentile with other conversion tables that is a 160 to a 161. I know the conversion chart varies from year to year, so I was wondering how do law schools look at your score. Do they see you as a 158 or do they see you as the 74th percentile or maybe they take both of these factors into consideration? May someone please clarify this for me?

as the title mentioned i was curious to know when the When do the June 2016 LSAT questions get released as a preptest to practice with?

I know this question is going to be contingent on every person's learning ability, obligations outside the LSAT, and several other factors.

I just wanted to get an idea of how long people generally spend going through the CC of the 7Sage program?

Ideally, if the LSAT is your only main responsibility, and you would like to aim for December administration (Will absolutely reschedule if I feel I am not ready), what is a good amount of time to aim for? The automated study schedule is awesome, but if I schedule it to finish in December then it gives me way less than I can handle. So what is a realistic and doable date to set the CC to complete. I am probably going to upgrade when I can afford to get test explanations, so I am just talking about the CC lessons....

Again, I get millage may vary for folks, but I would feel much more comfortable having a little more guidance on this... I can always adjust it should I fall behind or need some extra time with a question type.

I usually try to put in 4-5 hours/day M-F and 6-8 hours on Saturday. Sundays off completely.

Thanks in advanced!

A question for those who do well on RC. Do the top scorers avoid subvocalization? I've been tinkering with methods that work best for me on the RC section, and I'm curious if top scorers say the words in their head when reading through RC passages.

I just realized that I don't know J.Y.'s/7Sage's philosophy on this...

I have all the Cambridge Packets pdf. from tests 1-38 for LR, RC, and LG and am wondering how to best utilize them.

Should I drill from the Cambridge packets while going through the CC or should I do them during my PT/BR phase?

If I should be doing this as I go through the CC, how many of each is recommended? Some packets have 200+ questions and others about 50, so wondering how to best allocate my time and questions.

Thanks!

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I know we have a few LR and Games sections of people taking them live but what about RC?

Hey Guys,

I am doing reading comp, and I keep seeing questions on the organization of the passage. I see two things that say the passage is describing a hypothesis or describing a thesis. What is the difference between these?

Thanks!

Hey 7sagers,

This Wednesday, July 27, at 9 pm ET, Charlie Melman (@cmelman95 ) will host a webinar in which he’ll tell you how—and how not—to increase your score from the middle of the pack to the 99th percentile.

Charlie studied for the LSAT from September, 2015 to June, 2016, and along the way he learned a lot about the test, how to study for each section, how learning works in general, and—perhaps most importantly—how to manage YOURSELF through the arduous study process.

He’ll talk about the bad things he did, the good things he did, and how he approached every section. Drop by on July 27 at 9 pm ET, and he’ll be happy to take all questions!

154 to 173: A Tale of Logic and Games. Jul 27, 2016 at 9:00 PM EDT.

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If this isn't an allowed discussion, please someone just yell and I'll delete immediately. I thought I was going to be taking the LSAT in September, but life got in the way. I have pretty much every test from 07 to 77. Maybe there's a set of 10 I'm missing. Anyway, my husband removed the bindings and we put them in 3 ring binders. Ebay? I'm not really sure what to do with them. If we aren't allowed to post items like this here, can someone tell me where we CAN post these types of things?

During LG BR, I'm often reinforcing the methods and memorizing game/rule inferences. This has helped a lot. But once you get to the 4th or 5th time of drilling the same game how do you guard against simply remembering the correct answer and actually taking yourself through the inference method as if it were the first time. I think it's important to continue seeing inferences and not letting yourself skip to the correct answer because of the repetition of seeing the game.

Any thoughts on this? Feel free to share how you approach this. Thanks!

Hello All,

I upgraded from premium to the ultimate+ course, and I plan to retake the LSAT in December. Do you recommend I re-do all the course material or just the additional problem sets?

Thanks,

Kristen

Just wanted to say a big THANK YOU to 7Sage for making my 3 months of LSAT studying much more fun than it should have been. I took the June LSAT in China last month and was notified 2 weeks ago that I got a 173 (99th percentile!). I think the section that 7Sage helped me the most was the LR - answering the questions felt like second nature to me right before and during the actual exam. Thank you, thank you, thank you! And best of luck to y'all out there who are still studying for the LSAT. YOU GOT THIS :)))

Just curious. I know that they are very different tests but I was wondering if holding on to my LSAT material will be beneficial four years from now. Also which exam is more difficult?

The past couple weeks I've been transitioning from the curriculum to the practice tests, and I've found that the only thing that is really changing from PT to PT (5 total) is my BR score (trending upwards). Should I keep powering through the PT's and expect something to eventually click, or is there something else I should be doing?

The Georgetown and Michigan tables were by far the busiest. By far.

I've heard great things about both, but I wanted to know what you'd guys would recommend for my specific situation.

Have a LSAT score in the low 160s with a LSAC GPA above 4.0. I'm retaking in September with the hopes of achieving a 166+.

I'm beginning to work on my apps now. Obviously could use some assistance with PS and resume, but would love to get some comprehensive help. Not sure where I'll be numbers-wise in 2-3 months from now but I have to get started with the application process. Waiting until I get my Sep score results to work on my PS, resume, etc isn't really ideal. Plus, I'd like to apply as early as possible.

Here are my 3 options:

1) Work on everything myself until I get my Sep scores and reevaluate.

2) Spend the $ on the 7sage Admissions Ultimate package (much cheaper than Spivey) to get some help with my PS and resume. Have an awesome PS and resume. If I get my desired score, I finish up the rest of my application stuff myself and save some much needed $ from not having to work with Spivey. If I don't get my desired score, purchase hourly help from Spivey for the other components of my application to ensure I submit the best possible application.

3) Just spend the $$$ on Spivey's comprehensive package. Yes, it's costly, but I've heard from several ppl that it's extremely valuable. Might as well just get started now.

If anyone has any experience with Spivey or David, I'd really appreciate some advice. Don't really know the best way to proceed. Thanks!

Hey everyone,

I started the core curriculum about 2 weeks ago. I wanted to use the LSAT Trainer, as I know J.Y. recommends it. After some quick research on this forum, it seems that the consensus of the sages is to complete the 7Sage core curriculum first, and then complete The LSAT Trainer. Is this still the case?

Also, do you think it is best to follow The LSAT Trainer study guides? And if so, which one? (4 week, 8 week, 12 week)

I've tried using peer meet ups on 7sage but it got a little confusing for me lol.

Anyone in the Vancouver area and would like to start a study group for the Sept/Dec LSAT?

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Hello,

After about 10 PTs and many painful self-reflections, I came to the conclusion that the reason why I am having a major problem with improving my timing is due to my inability to rule out irrelevant answers.

For some reason, especially for descriptive flaws and weakening questions, I tend to spend too much time with answer choices that JY and many other students rule out immediately.

For example, when I'm contemplating between two or three answer choices, I find myself trying to figure out some sort of relevance of the irrelevant and out of scope answer choices. During this process, not only do I end up wasting a lot of time, but I also end up getting that question wrong.

Good news is that during the BR, I can usually get that question right, but only after serious mental debates and considerations.

Nevertheless, I was hoping that I could train my mind to think about the right things, instead of wasting my time by thinking about things that don't matter.

Currently, I'm only able to finish about 22-23 questions of LR, but my BR score for both sections combined fluctuates from -5 to -7 (so, about -2 to -4 per section).

I am hoping that I can hit two birds (speed and accuracy) with one stone by training my mind to think about the right things.

Could you guys give me some tips on how I can accomplish this? I mostly have this problem with descriptive flaw, weakening, and NA questions.

Thank you very much for your help.

P.S. Also, I was wondering if it's better for me to try and complete all 25-26 questions first, or work on accuracy first. I was never able to finish the entire section without skipping questions. I did not actively try to improve my speed, because I knew that I lacked some fundamental skill. Again, your advice is much appreciated.