Hello guys,

really need some help here. I stopped doing lsat (for 2 weeks) because I was studying for my exams. Before I was able to have like 2-3 wrong for LR (BR score) and 1-2 for LG no BR and like 4-5 for RC (BR) and I was improving too..and now I just don't want to mention how much I get wrong even with BR :( Feeling stressed. Is it going to get better once I get back to the flow by doing more practice questions?

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It all concerns the basic form of:

A->B (if you have a rocket, you can kill a cockroach)

Immediately, based on this form, I can think of potential OPs.

It is a mistake to assume that there are no other ways to kill a cockroach. So an argument like the one below would be an error because even though A->B, it could be that C->B as well, or Z->B.

"if you have a rocket, you can kill a cockroach.

Therefore, since you want to kill a cockroach, you must use a rocket"

[A->B, therefore B->A [mistaken reversal)]. This overlooks the possibility that you can use other sufficient means to kill a rocket, and that a rocket is not necessarily necessary to kill a cockroach. It could be, but doesn't have to.

Then there another form of OP derived from the same A->B idea

And that is

A->B ; not A-> not B [mistaken negation]

"if you have a rocket, you can kill a cockroach

Since you don't have a rocket, therefore you can't kill a cockroach."

This overlooks the possibility that without a rocket, you can still do other things. Like kill terrorists. But that is out of the scope relative to the conclusion. But moreover, it is not necessarily necessary that you need a rocket to kill a cockroach, for "A->B; not A->not B" = "A->B; B->A".

In other words, it seems like the overlooked possibilities derived from the A->B form are the same.

(And that is assuming that there are no other sufficient conditions. Conclusions that follow a premise of A->B and concludes in the form of not A -> not B and B->A are making the same flaw and that is missing OPs.

What are your thoughts on this?

What are some implications that I have missed?

Background

Just a little background for a moment, I am about to enter my third year of undergrad at a school with an 85% acceptance rate ( D: ). I have a 3.95 and I am planning on taking the June 2017 LSAT. During these 5.5 months leading up to the test, I will be taking only 3 credits at school, with no job or rent over my head. It seems a bit lazy, but last semester I took 21 credits and worked 25 hours a week as well. I realize that this test will determine the rest of my life so I am treating it as such. Harvard is my dream goal and I will be applying September 2017. I am a soon-to-be ultimate member on 7sage and will self-study, I feel as if I could push myself more that way.

No Idea

My problem right now is that I will have a decent amount of time to study (I realize this is a double edge sword). Nevertheless I am absolutely lost when it comes down to where to start and how to schedule a very efficient planner in order to really kill this test.

I hear many say that 5.5 months is too long, but I know myself, and I I've taught myself how to grind out work for hours. I think I will be ready, I just need a plan of attack.

Mindset?

I was reading a great article about burning out and everything else that comes with the LSAT struggle, but I really believe that article (so mad I didn't save it) changed me. My goal is a 180 but I am not going try for perfection at first, or maybe at all, rather, I will strive to learn as much as I can from my mistakes and work on fixing my thinking. I hope this thinking is the right mindset, what do y'all think? Any advice on what a realistic mindset would be entering into this phase of studying?

Books? Order of Reading? Schedule?... AHHHHH

With this being said, I feel like I am mentally prepared to have the best experience I can while studying, I am just fearful of not knowing how to plan it. I read all these guides about what books to read, mixed options on what is better and what is not. But after reading them, I felt more confused than I did before I read them!

So.. really, where is the best place to start? Should I buy books now and start reading, or should I be reading in this 5.5 months I would be studying? How many hours each day is good? days a week? planned PT's each week?

Do I start learning all the sections at the same time of focus on one at a time?

Sorry for all of the questions, I just feel like a little clownfish fish in a vast LSAT ocean (Finding Nemo reference).

Thanks for reading and I'm excited to start this journey with everyone here.

Also, if there are any NEED to read articles or posts, I'd love to read your favorites!!

Hey guys! Something I've started to realize is how important eating correctly (and not drinking too much coffee) is important for these tests. Since this test is around 3 hours, and you'll be using every ounce of energy in your brain throughout, the energy you put in is an underrated part of taking this test. At first, I felt that as long as I was full, I could move on through the test without any issues. But the more tests I took, the more I realized that eating a properly balanced meal (one that includes a lean protein, some whole grains and vegetables) allowed me to stay focused throughout. As far as coffee goes, I've personally found that drinking over 2 cups of coffee before a test makes me twitchy and more prone to a crash during the test. I'd love to hear what you guys think about this!

Dear there,

How do you read these articles? Especially the last one: Science Magazine.

The article most often, if not all, are subjects that I have no knowledge of and most often, every sentence contain a term, undefined, and require in depth background knowledge. For example, in this issue, Title "Biochemical and genomic data elucidate how fungal enzyme attacks polysaccharides", and my brain can only understand, "Data+verb, don't know what it means+how enzyme attacks+this object"

And it gets even crazier when you go down into the actual passage.

I made a similar post in TLS where the community recommends me just focus at the underlying logic and take undefined terms by its first letter (Like math, assume X is this junk)...

Any lights on how you will do it?

[I find these article great practice on RC and LR just because it is always wrote in a commanding voice on something that I have no idea about]

I attended a community college in my hometown during the summer of my sophomore year as a transient student. Do I need to send the transcript from that college to LSAC or will that be included on my University's transcript?

Thank you.

Hello 7Sage world!

Need some advice. So, I have taken 10 PTs up to this point. Scores are all over the place, but I am definitely seeing progress. I am wondering, how does one become consistent with their scoring?

My scores are as follows:

Actual/BR

Pre-7Sage

142/No BR

148/158

Post-7Sage Curriculum

146/159

142/158

143/155

147/162

150/160

146/156

159/175

and then today's score of 148/170....

On days I score well I definitely feel like things click, but on other days when it's not going well, I feel like I am trying to transcribe Portuguese in Chinese.

I am a full time student, so I have only been studying when schedule permits, usually around 10-20 hours per week. I have been going at this for about six months. I just felt so shitty after today's result. I feel like I have a hard time staying in the LSAT "zone".

Has anyone else ever had issues similar to mine? I really need some motivation, today felt like a swift kick right where the sun doesn't shine. ='(

I believe so?!? Or am I merely hopeful?

Does anyone have a hint, clue, inkling, feeling and/or knowledge of when grey/gray day will commence?

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Hi Everyone!

I've been doing a lot of work recently with memorizing valid inferences that can be made from conditional and inter-sectional statements. I find that when I have a few extra minutes during blind review, I have no issue drawing the correct inferences. Unfortunately, during my practice tests I am unable to do the same. Guessing this means I need more timed practice. I was wondering if anyone had gathered a practice set of questions similar to PT 43, Section 3, Question 9, beginning "Most lecturers"? I've noticed mapping isn't strictly limited to most strongly supported questions/inference questions. Perhaps there is a filter I didn't know about in the question bank that would help me isolate more questions like these (specifically ones that incorporate diagramming).

Would greatly appreciate any/all advice or help.

Okay am I the only one that thinks this no mechanical pencils rule is a load of bs? I literally have blisters on my hands from sharpening pencils. And how am I supposed to do logic games with these blunt things?!?! Seriously lol. Has anyone found any techniques to deal with this?

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When will law school applications be made available for us to work on?

Just a quick question for you veteran PT takers out there... the LG sections of my PTs (all of the older ones, at least) are not formatted as they are on the modern LSAT -- meaning, each game is on a single page with little space at the bottom.

How do you guys go about replicating the real thing? Should I just make do with the little space at the bottom, or do you guys use scrap paper on the side?

I always get confused between the NA answers that states A most B and a subtle conditional (the correct answer). During the BR, I am able to correct myself by stating A most B strengthens but isn't required. But during the actual test, I find it quite difficult to choose between the two.

Therefore, I made a rule to myself: if the answer deals with "most," skip it.

Would that be a safe rule to apply for the NA questions?

I know that other existential quantifiers, such as some, can still be a valid NA answer, because negated some statement is absolute (None).

Thank you for your help.

Hey, Sagers.

Is anyone else using Windows 10 OS and having buffering problems?

Did you have any and then solved them, how so?

Hey guys,

Just a little update, most of you who know me understand why a local school was not only my target school but my first choice. I'm thankful today to be able to report that I am officially off the waitlist and will be attending UNC Law School in August. I am so excited that we do not have to move. I don't know how I could have functioned in law school not being in the same city as my college age son, let alone not in the same state.

Thank you 7Sage JY, Nicole, Allison, Cory, David Busis and everyone else. This really is a wonderfully supportive community & I'm so glad I have been part of it this past year.

Now I can keep an eye out for my June LSAT with a little less angst. :)

Hey!

I just graduated from undergrad and am now taking a gap year to prepare for the LSAT and hopefully get some legal experience too! I'm dedicating the first two months (August and September). just to studying so I was wondering if anyone has any advice as to how to self study! (Books, sites, apps, classes) I'm also not sure whether to sign up for a prep course (and if so, which one). I did Kaplan last summer and didn't feel it increased my score significantly enough but I need a lot of practice and help :/ any advice would be much appreciated!!

I just took PT 36 as the first full test after the curriculum. I haven't done the BR yet and I really don't want to speculate on my score, but I just can't do the games. I freeze. My mind goes blank. The inferences I can pull out don't seem to make a difference. Needless to say, I didn't finish the section. I thought hey, I know how to do this type of game, but then nothing falls into place and I"m just sitting there wasting time. It's just disheartening when i feel like I at least have some inherent skill at the other sections and I can apply what I've learned from watching the videos, but the games just tear me apart.

Are there any other ways to getting to at the games? I know JY says to print out multiple copies and just keep doing them over and over again, and I'll do that, but I'm apparently just not getting it.

Okay let me just start from the start. My cold diagnostic was a 145 (June 2007). Since then I've studied for about a month and a half taking a PT scoring a 149 (December 2012) and a PT today scoring a 155 (PrepTest A from SuperPrep). I've seen improvements in just about every category except assumption questions in which I've scored in order of PrepTests, 0/3 (0%), 2/3 (66% guessed correct answers), and 1/5 (20%). I've been through the Logical Reasoning Bible and my assumption question scores still just aren't there; any tips on improving them? Also a peculiar thing is that my flaw in the reasoning questions went from a 6/8 (75%) on PT2 to a 2/7 (28%) on PT3. Are these drastic fluctuations normal especially to begin with considering I'm only on my third PT?

Hi guys!

I'm looking for some feedback regarding pros and cons to delaying the law school admissions process. I'm about to be a senior in college, and initially had planned on taking the LSAT in September, in order to apply this fall. I know it's an option to take the test in December, but I also know admissions are rolling, and I want to give myself the best shot at getting into the best school I can. I've read that admissions counselors advise that you get your apps in by October at the latest.

I'm looking for some feedback as to pros and cons of delaying the process until after I graduate--as in graduate in May, take the LSAT in June and apply for law school that fall. I'm applying for an internship program in D.C. for my final undergrad semester right now, and a lot of the interns who participate are able to turn their internships into jobs post-grad. This would have the dual benefit of real work experience (not sure how valued that is by law school admissions?) and, hopefully, a killer recommendation letter from a supervisor, so both those things are worth considering.

I appreciate your help!

Hello,

For an application I was instructed to provide a reason to why I am applying to a school. I have 1000 characters to do so. How should I go about doing so? Should I just expand on my personal statement and make it specific to how their school would aid me in achieving such goals?

Thanks in advance!

Kirsten

Hey guys, I just thought i'd let you all know what's been working for me lately.

I stopped using fresh pts and decided to go back and reinforce my LR fundamentals for pts 35 and under. Now i'm forcing myself to BR on a fresh test and to write/type (I use a word document) why each answer choice is wrong/right instead of BRing on the test I took. It does take a while especially at this part of my prep because I have confidence errors and i'm still trying to master the methods and strategies, but I have nothing but time and I already see a difference in my thought process. I'm more cognizant of the small habits that are costing me points.

If you don't do this already or you want to take your br to the next level, give this a try.

Hi,

I am practicing turning the kind of colloquial English sentences on the LSAT into strict logical statements. For example, take the following sentence:

All that is needed for the forces of evil to succeed is for enough good men to remain silent.

I would translate this logically as:

enough good men to remain silent --> forces of evil to succeed

I'm reading "All that is needed is" to signify that the predicate that follows will be a sufficient condition. Here are four more examples:

- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

- In order for ‘evil’ to prevail, all that need happen is for ‘good’ people to do nothing.

- The surest way for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

- All it takes for Evil to prevail in this world is for enough good men to do nothing.

I suspect that the predicate in each case defines a sufficient condition. What do you think?

Thanks,

Stephanie