So, like everything else in my LSAT prep before coming to 7Sage, I led up to my test date completely wrong. Aside from simply being unprepared, I went into my second take in the midst of full flown burn out. For my first take, I woke up late and when I got to my testing center discovered there was a football game on the campus that day and all the parking was blocked off. I made it there on time, but throughout the entire test I was worried my car was going to get towed.

So this time, I’m putting a lot of thought into the lead up. Has anyone else developed a strategy for leading up to the test? Day of? A week out? A month out? What are some of y’all's plans?

The consensus is that just about everyone is able to come up with a topic that warrants a diversity statement. In only rare cases is there a cookie cutter profile that just doesn't have a single iota of diversity in its repertoire. I am all but thoroughly convinced that I am one of those rare cases and I suppose I could ironically be diverse in this sense. But I was a first-gen college graduate; my dad tried college before having to drop out a semester later due to finances. My mom went to adult college when I was a pre-teen but never finished. I'm the oldest in my family and was the first of anyone in my family to graduate, though my younger sister did graduate the following year.

I did not have any financial issues during college, nor did I have any upon graduating. Getting into college wasn't a struggle for me like it was for my parents. Both my mom and dad clearly wanted their kids to attend college and to in general live a life that they were unable to live.

While I was fortunate enough to practically trip and fall into a 4-year undergraduate program, I definitely viewed myself and my potential in a harmful light. My mentality throughout high school and throughout most of college was that I obviously wasn't a genius; therefore, I shouldn't bother striving to achieve a 4.0 or to stand out from the rest, and I think being a first-gen graduate played a significant role in this. There are of course more details to this than just that, but what do you all think of me having been a first-gen graduate, albeit an unremarkable one? Is this workable for a diversity statement, or am I stretching way too far here?

What are some of the strategies and techniques you all use to reach a perfect 180 on BR? What is a typical range for questions circled for further review? What do you do with questions you didn't circle but actually missed? What for questions you missed after a BR? What are some of the best ways to collect previous missed questions for future review?

Below are some of the strategies I've used. I haven't scored a perfect one 180 on BR, however, so others' tips would be much appreciated!

- Chronicling the reasons behind my wrong answer choices, tallying the number of times this happens, and recording the PT number on which a respective mistake was made.

- This may seem like an obvious one but wasn't a strategy I adopted until later - I examine my relative strength in each question type (especially for LR) for my five most recent PTs. From there, I review the core curriculum for the question type at issue, review previous missed questions of that type, and drill specifically on that question type.

- Coming into each PT with full awareness of what I am weak at and possibly reviewing these areas beforehand. This way, I am prepared to avoid the many past traps in which I have customarily fallen.

I plan to strart studying one month prior to the LSAT test. Am I the only one?

I found this little nugget during the time I should have been doing something productive. Glad I did!

Decided to take a break from LSAT study and came across this sketch on YouTube.

Hope you guys do really well on the LSAT and in law school, but not become anything like Jason Grey???

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Is it possible to submit an application to a school before you even have an LSAT score on file? Since some schools review applications on a rolling basis, and since it's to your advantage to apply as early as possible, would an admissions committee review your application sooner than others if it was submitted earlier and then updated with an LSAT score several weeks later?

Hi all,

I just took my first practice exam since taking the initial 2007 prep test. I got a 150 before the curriculum and now I'm about halfway through the curriculum and got a 157. I wanted to take a practice test because I was starting to get demoralised and wondering if all this studying was working.

This test, I did well on the games (70% accuracy) and much better on the reading comp. than last time (78%). My goal is to just get over a 160 for the June test, as the schools I'm looking at are not 'the best' just in the top 100. Is this a good improvement? I thought I'd get much higher, as I've been putting in a lot of hours and practicing. Ugh. LSAT is stressing me!

I'm trying to be ready for the June LSAT but it's becoming very difficult. I had a lot on my plate the past couple of months which really shafted my LSAT studying and now I'm not sure I'll be scoring in the 170s (my current goal) by June. I'm currently at about a 162 (my score dropped from a 165 after taking so much time off of studying) and I would gladly settle for a 170 in June if I got it. I haven't even started to PT. I'm starting to feel discouraged and think that maybe postponing my test *again* might be beneficial for me and let me come at it slower. It's already a hard pill to swallow, and obviously I would love to get it done and over with in June.

However, I'll be overseas this fall and was looking up foreign test centers for the country I will be in. I was looking up more information about the exam to get an idea of what taking it overseas might be like and LSAC stated that the exam is undisclosed. Does that mean it's a different exam? This is totally new info for me. If anyone has any information at all about this that would be super great. Thank you!

Hey folks, is anyone here who is taking the LSAT with English as their second language interested in learning together? I've been hearing more inquiries about study strategies for people who encounter a significant language barrier with the test. Let's use this thread for ESL students to connect and see how much interest there is, in addition to sharing helpful strategies with each other.

Hello everyone!

It's been a while since I've been on 7Sage because (thanks to this amazing website) I got into both of my top choices! I am super excited, but now it's time to decide where I should attend.

I have done my research, and I am well aware of the financial strain a legal education can place on a student. I have a detailed financial plan for both of the schools, which are The George Washington School of Law and OSU The Moritz College of Law. I am hoping maybe the 7Sage community can help me process the pros, and cons of my pending decision.

My goal is to practice law in D.C. (before everyone gets on the GW bandwagon I understand that you should attend school where you plan to practice law), but I was only given $13,000 in grant money. I received my M.A. in Public Policy, and I would love to draft legislation (but I might change my mind once I go to law school so I want options). GW's tuition is currently $56k, and my total cost of attendance for one academic year would amount to nearly $70k (including room, board, books, personal, etc…). I visited the school, and fell in love; but reality is literally slapping me in the face. The grant is renewable depending on my financial status, but otherwise the rest would be covered by student loans. There are no other cons except the price of the institution.

My second choice is OSU, and I feel like I need to explain myself on this one because there is a huge difference between Washington D.C. and Columbus, Ohio. I was flown out to OSU during undergrad to tour the law school. I was pleasantly surprised by the faculty, academics, and network at OSU. They are also competitively ranked (#30 according to U.S. News and World Reports). Their network is expansive, and I do not think attending this school would shatter my dreams of becoming an attorney in D.C.; but I know I would have access to higher paying jobs should I attend GW. Lastly, OSU gave me $14.5k in scholarship, and I could become a resident after living their for 12 months (lowering my tuition costs).

Overall, the cost of attending OSU my first year would amount to $49k (including my scholarship, and other expenses). The cost of attending OSU would most likely drop if I become a resident. The cost of attending GW for my first year is $70k, and tuition increases every year. My current undergraduate, and graduate debt is $20k so I am also taking this into consideration. If I attend OSU (with my current debt) I would graduate with approximately $110k - $120k in debt. If I attend GW (with my current debt) I would graduate with approximately $180k - $200k in debt.

I am not asking for anyone to make a decision for me. I am looking for insight, especially if you're going through this experience. I have put a seat deposit at both schools.

Thank you all for your help!!!

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Without giving away any of the content in PT C2, does anyone know what year (roughly) this exam was given? Is C2 the "never-before-disclosed" PT that was included in the most recent LSAT Super Prep? Thanks everyone.

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Hi guys,

I have been PT-ing and I noticed that the harder logic games, whether it be a grouping game or a rule driven linear game, really eat up my time and throw off my pacing for the rest of section. How have you guys been able to improve accuracy and speed on the more difficult games? I have been foolproofing every game I do thus far and was wondering what else I could. The games that I do find difficult tend not to have a pattern, so drilling might prove difficult.

Hello!

I'm doxxing myself a bit here, but I'm really into electronic music --- all kinds, but I love the kind of stuff you'd listen to during the summer --- and I've found that I need all the good vibes I can get during this brutal LSAT journey.

So I really put some effort into a playlist of EDM songs that'll give you warm and fuzzy vibes. I called it "Freedom" because I'm going to listen to it on my drive home after finishing the LSAT haha, so feel free to enjoy!

https://soundcloud.com/charlie-melman/sets/summer-2016

Recently I took some LR sections from PT 18-35 and notice I could predict the answer for some type of questions specially resolve the paradox question type based on my previous knowledge of the subject discussed in stimulus. Have you noticed any such trends? Do you think it is helpful or it is going to end up hurting my score as most of outside knowledge considered assumption on LSAT?

Now that the LG bundles have been removed from all sites (I think), how are you all drilling and fool proofing LG? I'm thinking about photocopying the LG sections from PTs 1-35, drilling them randomly, and fool proofing accordingly.

Should of just purchased the bundle when I had the chance :(!

I consistently PT high 160s-low 170s and am aiming to score 175+ on June LSAT. I've already been through all of the powerscore books. I feel very solid on LG (usually get -0 or -1) thanks to 7sage and lots of practice but I struggle with RC and LR. I want to perform as well on those sections as I do on LG. I'm considering purchasing the Manhattan LR and RC and/or LSAT Trainer. Recommendations/advice for someone trying to master LR and RC? Thanks!!!!

I have PTs 63-77 fresh and ready to use between now and June. Since I want to use all of them, that's about 2 per week. I figure I'll keep doing 1 per week, with the occasional 2 per, through my final exams in early May.

Also, should I use a couple PTs in the 70s to get acquainted with the subtle shifts in test composition that many people say characterize the most recent tests? The pros are the aforementioned, plus devoting substantial time to figuring out the pattern games that have apparently come back with a vengeance. The con, of course, is burning the most useful preptests more than a month before test day.

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While beginning to do practice test, is it okay not to focus on time because I am still learning?

In looking through the combination of conditional logic lessons on 7Sage and in The LSAT Trainer, I think I may have hit on a much more simple way to translate sentences that contain both a group 3 and group 4 indicator.

The 7Sage group 3 indicators require negating an idea and making it sufficient. However, these indicators actually identify the necessary condition in the statement.

The group 4 indicators require negating an idea and making it necessary. However, these indicators identify the sufficient condition.

As a result, the suggested translation rule in lawgic that we pick one indicator to set the rule and then treat the other as a negation is actually somewhat of an extra step.

For example: No A, unless B. Typically we would choose "No" as the rule to apply (negate necessary) and then treat "unless" as a negation. So we would get A and /B and would instinctively apply the group 4 rule to the already negated element because that is easier to write out, thus giving us A-->B.

Likewise, choosing to apply the group 3 indicator rule (negate sufficient) and treat the other indicator as negation we get: /A and B and instinctively would apply the negate sufficient condition to the already negated element because that is easier to write out, thus given us A-->B.

We can reach the same result by just ignoring the indicator rules and instead understanding them as identifying either the sufficient or necessary condition, as applicable. In other words, when translating a statement with both group 3 and group 4 indicators treat the group 3 indicator as group 2 and the group 4 indicator as group 1.

Examples:

No dog (D) is without an owner (O).

D --> O

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None of the participants were certified in special education (C) except for the director (D). (treating except as group 3 here)

C --> D

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You should never go outside (G) unless you bring your umbrella (U).

G- -> U

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Until the fire department gives the all clear (C), we cannot return to our offices (R).

R-->C

Hello, I was curious to know if JY will be posting the recordings from the course that he held last week on Reading comprehension.