Hi guys! Just a quick question, as I am personally struggling with making the decision of taking Dec exam or postpone till June. As the whole world tells you to "just take it," idk if i "just" wanna take it...

Lets say I score a 160-162 this dec (no where near my goal)

Retake in June, and get in the upper 160s, say 167-169 range.

Would the admissions be dubious about such a jump? Is that something I have to explain or is that a given that I worked my butt off? Idk, there seems to be a lot of talk about not wanting to "scar" your records with a lower score, vs getting a much higher one later...

Any thoughts?

thanks guys :)

So I took the LSAT in October and underperformed terribly, let's say in the 145-150 range, and I plan on retaking the test in December. On my PT's, I'm still not at where I want to be but I don't really want to, nor have the option to, really wait another full cycle before applying.

Also, I was an engineering major at UCI and graduated with a not so stellar GPA. However, at my current job, I'm gaining lots of experience--ranging from project management to quality control, another neat thing is I'm filing for a trademark to get my company's name and logo registered on the USPTO website << this is fantastic because I want to go to law school for Intellectual Property.

Now my question is, given my relatively lower gpa and not so stellar LSAT score (hoping to crush it this time around but knowing the LSAT, ya know...), what would you guys say are my chances of getting into a school with a pretty solid IP program?

Questions, comments, advice highly appreciated. :)

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So this is a slight spin off of a different post reading RC. On Sunday I had a huge score drop from my high of 162 back down to 150. My clean copy BR was 176.

The break down was -7/-8 on LR -15 on LG and -14 on RC. LG I completely understood the score drop, a couple of bi-conditionals I wasn't familiar with and caused me to freeze. I BR and I feel fairly confident that if I see these issues again I will know what to do.

However, this is actually reflective of an overall trend I am seeing here. I've seen my LR improve significantly and I am fairly consistent w/ -7/8 and this was certainly and LG outlier and I'm usually seeing -3 or so. But I have just not seen RC improve, and it's stayed roughly -10 since day one. My diagnostic had me at -8 which would have put me at pretty decent shape for test day in Dec.

So far it's been either accuracy or speed. If I go for accuracy, I'm down -13/14. If I'm going for speed I've seen -10. As the PT have progressed I feel like both have steadily gotten worse and I can't tell whether the sections are just actually more difficult or my strategy is getting more and more off-base. Any ideas how to shore this up in the next couple of weeks?

Hey guys,

For a while now I have been working through the earlier PT's 21-38, concentrating on accuracy and applying the proper methodology to the questions. I recently discovered that I was unable to purchase PT's 39-48 because they are unavailable in the form of the 10 PT's. I decided to purchase PT's 48, 49, 50, 51 and I already have 52-75. I sat down to do timed sections with PT 48 and everything just seems way different from the PT's I have been practicing with; Questions are asked different, and the games in this test were weird, and I could not identify what type of games they were. Is it like this for all the newer tests and it is just something which I need to get familiar with, or is this test just weird? When I took the 07 PT the games were not this weird, so I am not sure what is going on.

Hello,

I am having trouble with getting video explanations for certain LR questions. It only allows me to see "Jy video explantion" of him actually working on the problem, and there's no volume to hear the explanation? Please fix this problem ASAP. Thank you

For some reason, my search box for the discussion page is gone :(

Has anyone else really had trouble with finding certain PT questions on the discussion board? I'll have a specific question, but I'll try searching it via the suggested format, just the PT, the question, etc. and more times than not nothing comes up, even though I KNOW THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT PT 75 ON HERE. It seems very impractical. I generally will have to post my own discussion about it, and I hate to do that if there is a perfectly good explanation out there, already written by someone, and then have someone waste their time re-explaining it.It just doesn't seem to be a good format.

Am I missing something? I think it would be a really great addition to have an area where the specific PT's are discussed, and then the questions/sections pre-listed, similar to Manhattan Prep maybe, but obviously with a 7Sage spin. I really hate having to go to another website with less-than-stellar explanations when the community here is filled with brilliant minds and 7Sagers... I love this community and consider myself quite loyal. Just my two cents. What does anyone else think?

(P.S. can anyone supply a link to PT 75.1.11?)

Happy Wednesday everyone, hope studying is rollling along!

I also want to work on more grouping games like pt 68 g3. Thanks!

I'm trying to figure out the best way to prepare for the LSAT between now and December. Now, I feel as if I'm doing BR wrong. My BR scores and my PT scores are very close. On the last test I did, there was a difference of just one point (for reference I'm PTing in the low/mid-170s).

But one thing that the BR process has taught me is that I make a lot of confidence errors due to misreading and timing pressure. I'm considering BRing the entire test to address this, but my gut tells me that that would be a poor use of time because it seems like I would be better off actively practicing to improve timing instead of going over 20+ questions to find that I missed one due to forgetting that it included the word "except." The only thing I seem to be learning is that I need to read more carefully?

With that said, though, I do BR the LG section in its entirety, because I'm not -0 in LG. I'm getting there but...

Also, since December is rapidly approaching, I feel as if I should emphasize going through more PTs instead of BR, but going through PTs quickly seems to be looked down upon by the LSAT experts here, so before I went through with my atypical plan of quickly progressing through PTs while continuing to BR as I already am, I thought I would double check with all of the wise people here.

For MSS/must be true questions on RC that don't have a point of view in the question stem, can we assume that they are looking for what the author thinks? Ex:what is most strongly supported? What can be inferred from the passage?

Hi everyone. I'm writing to you all to get some advice and guidance about my dilemma (and hopefully ease my nerves). So here's my situation. I work full-time and been out of school since 2007, I started studying back in June with Powerscore's program (I know, I know, please don't judge) and originally planned to take October LSAT. I had surgery at the end of July and was out of the studying game for several weeks, which set me back a lot. My boyfriend and I talked, weighed my pros and cons, and we both decided it was best to push my test back to December to get me more time to study. We found 7Sage and I began their starter package in September. My scores haven't been great, mid-140s PT and low160s BR, which is obviously no where near my target score (165+). My strengths are LG and RC, but I'm absolutely horrible at LR, during timed and BR. After each BR, I feel I know the information, understand it, but when I take another PT, I choke. I've never been a good standardized test taker, so I knew going into this I had a big challenge to overcome. I know progress takes a while, but here we are 3 weeks to December's test and my PTs are bad. My boyfriend thinks I should take December's test as planned, see what score I get and use it as a trial run so I'm prepared when I take it in June 2016. My concerns with his suggestion is I waste my first test, in case I need to retake it in October 2016 (after June 2016 test) and secondly, I'll have to explain to all my schools why I scored so badly the first go around, if I score well on the June 2016 test. So here's my question, should I cancel my December test or not? At this point I know I need more time to study and go over the material again, luckily I haven't exhausted all my PT, 50-75 left. I definitely underestimated how much time I needed to study. With working M-F 8-5, I cram in about 4 hours each evening and put in another 6-8 each day on Saturday and Sunday, so I know I'm overloading myself and not allowing the information to absorb. I appreciate everyone's thoughts and comments about my situation and welcome any advice you send my way. Thank you.

Hi guys,

When you come across a group 3 and group 4 indicator in the same sentence ("cannot" and "unless"), which rule do you use? e.g. the group 3 or group 4 rule. Basically, how do I react to multiple indicators from multiple groups in the same sentence?

I can't find the answer in my notes. I think it is somewhere in the core c. I don't know where.

Thanks.

Hi 7Sage community,

I had a non-LSAT related question I was hoping to get advice in. As I have been thinking about possible job placements after law school and continue to get experience at my firm, I am realizing I am not very passionate about becoming an attorney. I am interested in law but I am much more interested in the scholarly side of it and the theory behind it than in the practice of it. Most of the attorney I work with are not very happy people but more importantly I do not relish the idea of being stuck in front of a computer 65-80 hours a week drafting motions (most likely for not very good people or corporations). I have always wanted to end my career teaching at a college or university no matter what I decided to study but the more I think about it, the more that is actually all I want to do.

So I was wonder what people think about a JD for an academic career? I know most professors do not have a JD but I don't know if this is because most JDs don't want to teach or because most universities and colleges don't want JDs teaching? I would love to teach law but could also enjoy teaching American politics for example and am trying to decide whether law school is right for me now.

Part of my dilemma exist because I believe I would enjoy the study of law and teaching it as I enjoy reading law journals just for fun (though partially to improve RC). But part of my dilemma might also be coming from having invest so much time, energy, and money into the LSAT and the law school application process. I am scoring around a 167 on my PTs now and am only 8 PTs in so I have a lot of room for improvement and can likely get into a T-14 if I push a little more. On the other hand I have no idea how I would do on the GRE or what my chances are of getting into a top Ph.D. program. But I don't want to continue down this path if it is not the best way to realize my career goals. So that is why I am asking for advice. Is a JD a good option for pursuing a career in academia? Especially if I have better chances of attending an elite law school than an elite Ph.D. program (maybe)? Or should I just cut my losses in the law school admissions process and try to get into a Ph.D. program?

Thanks in advance for any and all advice!!!!

Sincerely,

Confused Post-grad

Does anyone know when the new test from Super Prep II will be added to the grader?

So I recently took RC 67 and I saw a relatively large drop in RC score. While I admit that I have paid less focus to RC and this was the first test I really implemented 7Sage/Trainer strategies in my approach, and this may have slowed me down, I also think this set was relatively more difficult. I found myself bogged down in the first few passages and didn't get to the fourth at all, something I haven't done since my diagnostic. Passage 3 was difficult for me and had only 5 questions while Passage 4 had 8 questions that would have been relatively easy points upon my BR.

So my question to you all is, have you found any benefit in skipping around passages and putting some early work into those with the most questions?

Hey All,

I am scoring 10+ points more on PTs that I have already taken 2 months ago ...I don't think I remember the answers as its been some time since I looked at these but I am wondering if anyone else is experiencing this...I am not sure how telling it is and how accurate retaking PTs can be. The only difference is that I already have a satisfactory LSAT score and I am taking these PTs with less anxiety but if I plan to take another LSAT in December I am not sure if this means i have skewed scores or it finally clicked.

Let me know if anyone else has experienced something similar. Thanks!

Just curious how all the really experienced PTers are logging your retakes of PTs? Are you scoring them in the system just like you do others. I started taking a PT this morning that I didn't realize I had taken before until I got about 5 questions completed & for some reason I never logged my original test, so I have no idea how I did not it before. It was most likely before I started on the 7Sage curriculum, after I got my LSAT Actual Preptest books. I'm concerned about logging it into the system, since it may actually skew my averages because I'm noticing some familiarity with the questions and answer choices.

How many prep tests before the actual exam? And how many should you do a week BR included? Keep in mind I'm a full time employee. All suggestions and comments welcome. Thank you :)

I am curious to what degree it will affect my application if I do not disclose my gender, financial or ethnic identity. I am a straight white male from a relatively wealthy family, and I feel that providing this information will in no way benefit me. I am concerned that it might even negatively affect my applications. But what is the result of my not providing this information? Will that hurt me? I am applying only to T14 schools, if that matters.

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Hey, does anyone know if any of the T-14 law schools place special emphasis on targeted letters of recommendation?

In my knowledge Stanford Law School website does mention " Please be aware of the high value Stanford places on school-specific letters of recommendation", are there any others?

Stim says: European music is sophisticated because it's intelligible

The choice D says: unintelligibility and "most" sophisticated music is correlated

Since D only talks about "most sophisticated music" it can still be compatible with stim, which only refers to sophisticated music.

how can one explain this choice, mainly the difference in degree in D?

Hello fellow 7sagers,

I'm trying to decide whether to sit out another cycle. I'm blind reviewing in the 170s, but I can't seem to get my actual score up from the low 160s. I've gone through JY's course twice, the LSAT Trainer, and Manhattan RC. My brain often turns to mush on the harder, convoluted questions under intense timing conditions. I started taking timed PTs around mid October but can't seem to get over this anxiety. I've taken about 10 PTs. Clean copy BR each time. I really need advice on how to get over my timing issues. LG is my strongest section. The timing issues only affect me with RC and LR.

I'm considering postponing until February, but I know applying that late in the cycle would severely hurt my chances at getting accepted to high ranked schools with a scholarship, as most of the seats and scholarship money will be gone by then.

I've been studying 5+ hours everyday (8+ on the weekends) and work full-time. I've been at this since late August, so I fear I'm risking burnout. It would be extremely painful to have to keep pushing through until February, but I know the golden rule is "Don't take the LSAT until you are 100% ready." :(

Things to consider:

- Very scared I won't have new stuff to work with if I sit out another cycle. Only about 30 fresh PTs left.

- Aiming for 165+

Anyone planning on taking the Dec 2016 LSAT? I'm starting to study.