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I've started studying since January with a score of 158. After a few practice tests, I had some scores in the low 160s - I had a 162, 165, and 163...and then suddenly one day it went down to a 157...157...153....158....157 (i've taken 12 PTs so far). I just took one today and it's a 157 again, which is lower than my initial diagnostic. I'm so frustrated and June is just around the corner. Is it even possible to go up to a 165 at least in the next 4 weeks? (out of my 12 PTs....3 were in the 160's and the other 9 was in the 150's....)

My worst section is unfortunately RC (I can miss anywhere from 9-14). Games is my best section - if I have a very good LG section I will miss 1 or 2. When I do poorly I'll miss like 4-5. LR (I miss like 5-6 on one section, and then the other LR sections always sucks...miss 8-9). When I do timed sections 35 sections during my study - I tend to get more correct.

Also - when you do BR....which is essentially answering the questions untimed after taking the PT. Do you have to do a BR for the whole test in one sitting? or even the section in one sitting? or is it just untimed anytime I want?

Some encouragement or advice is much needed...please...

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I know this has been addressed in other topics but how bad is it to have 2 or 3 LSAT scores if your highest is in the mid to upper 160s and you're looking to get into a lower law school and then transfer?

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I have been studying for months on end and I am not sure how to get my actual score to match my blind review score. When I take the test first pass even if I don't time myself I get between -8/-12 per section on Logical Reasoning, -0/-1 on logic games, and -9/-14 on reading comprehension. However when I blind review I get almost every single question correct. However I am stuck as to how to get the correct answer the first time. On the LR section it is typically the middle and end that I get incorrect and I am usually down to two answers but always seem to pick the incorrect one the first time. I am scheduled to take the LSAT June 2015 but desperately want a high score. Can anyone help with tips or ideas to close the gap between actual vs. blind review. Has anyone else seen similar results while preparing?

Thank you

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Heading hopefully for the October LSAT.

I spent from January until April working through the core curriculum and the Trainer. I now have four-and-a-half months to get through the LG Bundle and hopefully the core curriculum again before PTing from July-October.

Does this sound realistic? As of this month I can dedicate 5-6 hours a day to LSAT prep.

Just making sure I'm on track...confidence is down a bit!

Thanks,

J.

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So I have heard and read excellent things about the LSAT Trainer and was wondering how you have been combining your studies. I would probably attempt to do them simultaneously. For example, first I would complete a segment of 7sage (since I anticipate it will be quicker than reading) and then read chapter 1 of the trainer to reinforce concepts and drills. I am just curious as to other ways that some of you have meshed the two in your studies and how effective you feel it has been for you.

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I've worked through the core curriculum and am currently going through the LG bundle.

I'm currently on set five of thirty-something sets in there - but, except for simple sequencing games, I can't seem to "get going" unless I watch the video to a get a prompt on the most suitable game board, and perhaps a few other bits and pieces.

Is this normal? I'm down as I feel that, by now (twenty or-so games in) I should be able to get going by myself. I'm usually good with the questions, it's just getting set up that is throwing me.

I'm hoping I'll get more confident in this area with the 120+ games left in the bundle. Right now this inability to start alone is just knocking my confidence a bit.

I decided to come here rather than turn to the gin. Any pep talks would be appreciated!!!

Thanks in advance,

J.

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Hello all! I'm new to 7Sage and gained access a few weeks before the LSAC disallowed the use of LSAT PDFs. I found the PDFs very helpful while they were still on the site, so I guess my question is: How are we supposed to do practice problems without the LSAT PDFs? I've been trying to watch the video explanations of the answers and pausing them so that I could do the questions myself, but I find that I'm unable to accurately time myself while I do this. Also, this method does not work for the Logic Games section, as the prompt is rarely provided in the videos.

Any suggestions would be great! Thanks!

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I'll be done with the 7sage course around June/starting to take the PTs and Blueprint is scheduled to start in July. Planning to take the October LSAT, and wondered if this approach would help as a form of review.

While I do love power-studying on my own, there's always something about a classroom setting where you're able to converse with the instructor/classmates that help you glean precious nuggets and tighten skillsets.

Wondering if anyone's taken this approach and/or if this is even a good idea?

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Hello, everyone!

I hope your LSAT studying is tedious and unfun! Just Kidding!

I've been keeping away from the forums as of late because they are sort of a huge distraction when I'm trying to study (4 Weeks left:() So I'm coming here for what I expect (but don't quote me on it) to be my last call for help. I've analyzed my first REAL LSAT exam and previous ones, and they all point towards the same direction, RC. I can average less than -5 in LG and around -7/8 in LR, but my RC is horrendous. I unusually get half right and half wrong (which is weird because I use to do well on AP English exams in high school.) Whatever the reason for this drop, I need a remedy. I used Manhattan LR (going to re-read and hopefully get an average of -5 before the exam), and I'm going to continue studying LG through 7Sage, but I need another perspective if I want to get better in RC. I need to at least cut my wrong answers in half to get a 160+ before June. I've been going through the history of the forums for a couple of hours, and there's not a clear cut answer I can find between LSAT Trainer vs Manhattan RC. I get the hint that LSAT Trainer is better for RC of the two, so I was wondering if anyone else had any input. This should be my last purchase and book being read before I take the LSAT. I have amazon prime, but time is still of the essence! Any speedy response/input would be greatly appreciated!

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Hi you gorgeous souls,

I'm sorry to be posting about an LSAT test date that is so far away and I hope I don't offend anyone studying for June/October.

I started studying for the LSAT last summer (with PowerScorer nonetheless) and didn't buckle down with 7Sage until a few months ago. I'm almost finished with the Ultimate course and will take a diagnostic PT to see where I am but I would feel much better if I could go over the fundamentals again. My goal is to go over the LG bundle several times, go over the 7Sage course again with supplemental sections from the Trainer, drill with Cambridge packets, and then move on to PTing. My target is a 175+ but I have a long way to go before attaining that score. Ideally I want to take the October LSAT since it is much earlier in the admissions cycle, but I may have to postpone to December if my PT average is not on par with what I want. My biggest concern with taking the December LSAT is that my chance of getting acceptances will be drastically lowered since many LSs will have partially/mostly filled classes for the next year. Does anyone have insight into application competitiveness with a December test score?

A bit of personal information: I'm aiming for HYS. My UG GPA is a 3.97, I have solid LORs, and my resume is decent as well (I started a business at 19, wrote a lengthy honors thesis, and learned Arabic and Turkish). I don't want to take the LSAT before I'm 100% sure I will get the score I want/need, but I'm also afraid of getting waitlisted or rejected due to the lateness of my application submission. Any thoughts out there?

Thank you. You all are amazing!

-Meg

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Hi All,

I've heard a few perspectives about using PTs in different ways for studying for the Big Day. Considering that my full-time job is unpredictable (I may have to work 10-11 hour days without being notified until 4p each day), I was thinking recently that in order to prep for the October LSAT, it may be just more reasonable for me to "churn" through the PTs untimed (e.g., after work if I'm not fried, during lunch, on the weekend, etc.) and then "re-take" them with the proctor app on the weekends.

I've heard some people argue that it's a bad idea to use the same material twice (or more) because you may "remember" certain questions/answers, which would ultimately skew your score. However, we don't have an infinite number of PTs published, so there's not really somewhere else that I can "go" for additional testing/practice materials. The intent would be that I don't necessarily take the same PT on the weekend that I worked on casually during the workweek, so there would be very little chance of short-term memory transference.

Ideally, I wanted to take a timed LSAT each Saturday up until October, but I'm more worried about actually digging into the PTs to diagnose weaknesses and then circle back on 7Sage material, rather than making my way through the entire course (I bought the mid-range package) and jamming a bunch of PTs into my life right before October and freaking out about how much I suck.

Any thoughts from people in a similar situation [or not]?

Thanks

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YJ keeps saying not to erate, but rather to copy the entire game board over. That just seems super slow to me, especially when space is limited. Take a simple sequence game. If the rules put S in 5, I'll put S in slot 5 and draw a square around it to remember that it's there by definition. I'll work the question and when done, erase the question specific markings. Its quick.

But I assume there is a reason the experts say to avoid that approach.

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any advice for getting out of the mid 150's? My last 4 PT's have been 155-156, with a highest of 157. My LR average is 15-19, LG average 17-20, RC average 15-17. Was there anything you guys did differently that pushed you into 160's?

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If you're just finishing the first logic lesson, and want to practice memorizing the logical indicators, and translating english into lawgic (or if you just want to practice either of those generally), I made a spreadsheet that does both that I thought I'd share if anyone's interested.

One tab has a list (that can be randomized on command) of all the logical indicators, and a field for you to type in what each introduces. It will tell you if you got it right, and has the option to display the correct answer if you get it wrong (or not). You can then randomize it and keep practicing.

The other tab has a 40 simple sentences to translate into lawgic (they're from pp. 257-258 of the Trainer; I didn't come up with them myself. If that somehow infringes a copyright or something somebody tell me and I won't share it). You input what you think the sentence means, and it will tell you if you get it right (accepts translation and contrapositive of translation*), again with the option to display the correct answer if you get it wrong.

I find it helps to actually write (albeit on the computer) out answers rather than using flashcards, and just repetitively practicing is helpful to drill out the need to think through this stuff. And you can get away with it at work, perhaps, because it's a fancy spreadsheet. I may have made it at work myself. And I have a weird love affair with Excel. So if you have Excel and would like study tool PM and I'll send it to you.

*I'm excessively proud of my Excel formulas to accomplish this, so if you're a fellow Excel nerd, please put me in my place.

EDIT:

Go to this link:

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2s1NBaQLrnIVXNtVGJuQTJ0bFk&usp=sharing#grid

If you want the spreadsheet. The demand for this thing has exceeded my willingness to send individual emails to everyone.

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I have been working on my RC for some time now, and while I usually get around 8 wrong on each PT, I only got -4 on PT 44. Is the RC on PT 44 just as difficult as other PTs, or is it easier? I'm just wondering whether this score is indicative of my improvement in RC.

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After "Introduction to sequencing games 3", t would be really handy to have a lesson that focused on resequencing these diagrams. The first three do a fine job of explaining how to draw them, how to interpret them and how to pair them down, but don't really cover what to do when the question dictates a premise change.

I suppose to some its obvious but when I did the first LG of the four that are called for in "problem set 1" I found that I didn't have a clear understanding of what could be moved where, which lines could be abandoned and so on. Maybe I was overthinking the questions (I overthink everything) but it confused me a bit.

Just a thought!

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I am finding that it's the cunning use if switches (or rather, the lack thereof) that is killing my score on the LG sections. I'm hoping that the act of putting this issue on the discussion board (and maybe having a nice discussion about it) will help me from forgetting to use them in the future. Please feel free to discuss.

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Hello everyone, hope all is well; I am writing this post after taking a PT, (my 8th total), and i am literally heart broken.

After spending the last year pushing like iv'e never pushed before, I was able to graduate at the end of the summer while taking 25 units in the spring and another 12 units over the summer. To say the least, I finally graduated and got my bachelor's in Sociology from a CSU.

In September, I signed up for the Blueprint LSAT Prep course offered at their original location, by the original founder. working 10 hours a day (8AM-6PM), and putting MY ALL into this prep class, I reached a point where i realized that there is absolutely no possible way to take the December LSAT and score good. I simply wasn't ready; I studied every single day, 7 days a week (6 hours on a day on weekdays, 12-14 hours a day on weekends), The class FLEW by, the instructor was expecting WAY too much, and everything was a complete blur. I worked my BUTT off to save the 1,500.00$ required to pay for that class.

So i rescheduled for the February LSAT, and extended my access for another 350.00$; Realizing, AGAIN, that I am nowhere near my target score (165+) that I need in order to go to any T20+ school (my LSAC GPA is in the gutter.. horrible 2.62), I RESCHEDULED AGAIN. Another heart-breaking moment for me and everyone else around me. At this point, my parents (my father, a VERY hard to please person, works for the department in the US Gov.. can't say which) were completely disgusted with this delay, I was (and still am!) impatiently waiting to start law school and make my dream come true; I so upset at myself that I did not know what to do.

So, what did i do? I quit my 65,000$+/year job, put all my savings towards my bills, hired a private tutor that costs an arm and a leg, buckled down, and made this my top priority for the past 4 months. I have been studying ALMOST EVERY single day, taking 1 or 2 days off a week, and meeting with the tutor at least once a week. while studying, my tutor gave me a study schedule:

by the end of April- We will be completely done with all the material, and we will start doing Practice Tests. 2 weeks before doing practice tests, I started drilling entire sections. i was getting -6/-8 on each section when i was drilling by question or by section; suddenly, when i started PT'ing, my scores are in the gutter.

Today, at of my 8th PT, i have not been able to score higher than a 153. i am completely devastated by the lack of progress made. I've been blind reviewing every single test, I have been going over every single question until I could verbally tell you the question with one breath of air.

Everyone, I seriously do not know what to do anymore. i cannot postpone this exam further. June is my date! My games are not great at all, my LR foundation is solid as heck, I can easily identify assumptions/flaws, but for some reason that is beyond me i cannot break past a 151!

someone out there please save me and please tell me what to do

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Can someone please explain if there is a logical difference between "many" and "most?" I remember reading or watching in one of the logic lesson videos that there is a difference between "too many" and "most" because the former is a subjective statement. For example: "There are 'too many' social programs in the USA..." would be a subjective statement because Obama might not think there are, whereas Rand Paul might think there are. It's a matter of perspective.

Does this also extend to "many?"

Does Many = some or most? Or neither?

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