Hey guys so I was doing question 4, LR2 preptest 25.

In this question the premise was

a->b->c

and then it concluded c->a

So the correct FMOR answer was

"the argument ignore the facto that some c's may not appreciate a's.

so c -some- a/

Is this a rule that can be applied to all conditional logic? A->B always can also mean B -some- A/?

A bit confused thanks. Hope this all made sense.

I was curious to know if anyone has any official understanding of the process behind applying to schools when you're taking the December LSAT.

I have taken the September LSAT and retaking in December - Should i wait until the day after i take the test to send my applications? Or can they be sent earlier, while they wait for my December LSAT grades?

Do all schools ensure you that they will not view your application until the December LSAT is submitted?

any clarification would be greatly appreciated!

Hey guys,

I have a quick question for those who have ordered prep tests from Lsac.org. If I order a prep test from Lsac.org, is the test mailed to me or is there an option where I can download it unto my computer and print it out?

Could someone please try to explain this to me. I feel so stupid getting tripped up on this one.

HI!

OK.

So I paid for this course. I went to it, it was great. Supplemented with this, I have no complaints.

They offer this Thursday and next Thursday an "in class" "exam situation" where you can bring a prep test and write in an exam environment with a timed proctor, much like the real exam.

I KNOW that this would be beneficial.

However, I'm wondering.. if I should do it, and here is why:

I wake up at 3:30 AM everyday, so by the time 6:00 PM comes around I'm a dead human being. I am aiming for the range of 160-170 for my exam because anything over a 160 is perfect for the university I am applying for. I have been sitting in the 160+ range for the past month. However, I took a practice test last Tuesday at 6:00 PM and scored a 157. I could literally feel myself missing questions because I was trying to get it done, more so then focusing. I was exhausted.

Should I go to the exam situation tonight? I know it would help me with the jitters a bit, but if I write a prep test and score high 150s again, after all my progress into the 160s, it might hurt my confidence a bit, you know?

Alternatively, next Thursday, they do offer it again and I've taken the day off. Would it better for me to go then, after getting a lot of sleep, then to go tonight? Should I go to both?

Opinions, PLEASE!

Thanks :)

So on PT 's with experimentals I avg around a 154 because i get to 18 questions per section. When i finish the exam during blind review i get in the 170's. Not sure if i can improve my timing by december...Anyone have advice on what to do?

Hi fellow 7 sagers!

I have been taking PTs with JY's proctor video. I have found that I reached the 30 minute mark a few minutes earlier than a stopwatch that I was using, so I thought there must be something wrong with the stopwatch. I started to use my cell phone, but I was surprised to hear the "You have 5 minutes left" message approximately 5 minutes too soon. So today I used a web site that shows the current time around the world down to the seconds and is known to be quite accurate. And.......again the video call the 30 minute mark approximately 25 minutes in.

Am I crazy here??? Did anybody else have a similar experience?

Me and a student were studying when we got a bit confused over when to negate the sufficient. Consider these two examples:

If you are a rabbit you are white.

R->W

No rabbit is white.

is it /R->W or R-> / W

I feel like the second one explains If you are a rabbit you are not white and the first one says no rabbit is white. Can somebody for the last time explain when the sufficient gets negated and when the necessary? something concrete to remember would be much appreciated, I know this might sounds basic but after awhile you just get confused...

Hi guys, I've been a member of 7sage for over a year, and am taking the test December 6th. I have found that I really enjoy watching "inspirational" videos. I recently found one I found particularly nice and helpful. I am going to post it here. I particularly like the part at the beginning talking about the illusion of "perfect timing" for "great moments." Additionally, there is a part that mentions an African proverb which says, " If there is no enemy inside, then no enemy from without can cause harm." The video also talks about facing uncertainty, etc. Anyway, maybe it will help another out there preparing for the test on Dec. 6. Also, please add to this post things of this nature. I think it would be really nice to have a post of things like this. Some people may find the video cheesy, but anyways, I really like it. Good luck, guys.

Hey,

I was happy earlier this week. I scored my highest scores of 165, a 165 again, and then a 168. My Blind review was also great, somewhere in the 170's. I only missed questions that JY was claiming were curve breaker on the LR. I just don't perform well on Reading Comprehension in general, but I did do slightly better on these tests. Basically, I was happy with my score and feeling confident for the Dec. 6th test.

Now I've taken two tests the past 2 days and scored a 159 and 160. I didn't get perfect logic game on either and my I am just missing more LR than I have been. My RC doesn't do me any favors either, but it never does. I'm glad that I still have time to make corrections, but still my confidence is slightly shaken after 2 disappointing tests. I really want to score that 167+ on test day.

Am I just taking too many tests close together? That wasn't a problem with those 165/168 tests... but did it just catch up to me finally? The thing I fear is that the later tests are harder. I feel like the LG section in particular is harder starting with #53.

My game plan now is to review today and tomorrow any patterns of the last two tests and go for another simulated test Saturday.

Any comments would be appreciated.

I am now taking PTS and my scores havent improved from my cold diagnostic. (Well, Logic Games has improved a little, but Reading Comprehension has gone down)... in fact, the scores are lower..

The thing is, when i do Blind Review, it goes incredibly fast, and I do very well, especially with Logical Reasoning. I clearly see what is the correct answer.

So, does anyone have this experience? is it test anxiety?

Hi everyone!

I've finished my own studying and reviewing of LSAT concepts and am now starting PrepTests. I'm hoping to do around 30-35 tests (however long that may take) in order to improve my score from my diagnostic, which was in the 140s. I was wondering if people had any suggestions on which tests to start with and where to go from there.

Thanks!

Zara

Finally took Preptest 73 today -- had been nervous about what would be the 'closest link' to the December LSAT,

But why was I expecting something enormously different from any other preptest? I was surprised to find that Preptest 73 is really like any other preptest....But you know what? I shouldn't have been surprised!

There truly are patterns inherent to the LSAT & Preptest 73 isn't particularly special, and there is no reason to think Preptest 74 (or the December LSAT) should be particularly special either.

Our weaknesses are laid out in similar ways on each test -- and we just need to keep tackling them.

Throughout preptest reviews, we may notice specific connections amongst questions' content in various tests (like the repeated discussion of the QWERTY keyboard). And Preptest 73 is no different -- Section 2, Q14 repeats the same idea of space exploration linked to unexpected technology benefits as Preptest 59, Section 3, Q18 while Section 4, Q3 repeats the same idea of sunblock vs. incidences of skin cancer repeated in other tests, including Preptest 62, Section 2, Q5.

The LG section is just as non-special as the other sections. And I had psych-ed myself out into thinking maybe a game was very unusual. I was wrong.

I'm not saying Preptest 73 wasn't difficult... every Preptest is difficult! But none of them is particularly special.

Things may *feel* different because we *expect* them to be different. But we should NOT psych ourselves out too much. Yes, there may be a few unusual bits in each preptest, but the December test should be seen for what it is: just another ol' preptest!

Does anyone know how long they give you to complete bubbling in the name etc section on the answer sheet? Do you guys practice doing that so its fast enough or is there plenty of time?

I know that for the LSAT centers you are not allowed to wear a hoodie or bring your phone and it says all you can have is your ziplock bag. I know we can't have like a purse or bookbag, but are we allowed to bring our coats into the room or are we suppose to leave it somewhere else? Thank you in advance.

Hi Admins,

I've purchased many LSAT preptests from 7sage, but I noticed that the pdf file sizes are actually larger than 8.5x11. Thus, when I try to print them out, the exam prints in super tiny font that is difficult to read because my printer (and even the printers at FedEx Kinko's) are trying to fit the entire image onto the page. Would it be possible for future preptests (and perhaps even previous ones...) to be adjusted so that they can be printed onto 8.5x11 paper in a larger, more readable font size?

If I'm the only one with this issue, perhaps someone can offer a solution?

Ok! RC is the bane of my existence (I think I've posted that before. But seriously).

I have been drilling Humanities and Social Sciences passages like NO ONES business because they are my weaker passages. I think someone posted what I'm about to say before, but reading it and experiencing that "A HA!" moment for myself are completely different.

I have found that Humanities passages do the same things over and over again (obviously, I guess, because the LSAT does repeat things over and over again).

The passage will read:

Mike is a novelist. He writes novels in a way that can be read as poetry. He uses literary techniques that are uncommon to the novelistic style.

Critics say that he should stick to the conventions common of novels.

But Mike does not. Instead he persists with using poetry type conventions and that adds something to his novel that traditional conventional novelistic style cannot.

They'll introduce some famous person who writes/sings/paints. Then they'll say that, traditionally, singing/painting/writing is done one way, but that this person does it a different way. And then the passage Is... basically critics saying he should do it the traditional way, and then the rest of the passage explains how his "breaking from tradition" adds something to his writing that cannot be done using traditional.

Something to that end, anyways.

I hope this helps someone else with their A HA!!

Good luck all :)

Hey guys. Newbie here that just signed up on this site a few days ago. I'm confused as to why, when, and how JY is applying the following analogy. Can someone help me understand this?

All beings that are Jedi’s are entities that use the force.

Jedi = Force User

This seems different from:

If Jedi, then Force User.

IF a being IS a Jedi, then the being must be a force user. Isn’t later is a conditional??? And thus not a logical equivalent? Do you see what I’m asking?

If it is the case that:

Jedi = Force User

then it is necessarily the case that:

Force User = Jedi.

But this renders the premise completely not true. Force User also = Sith and Sith (do not equal) Jedi.

I don’t care to pick a debate over about Jedi vs Sith, or Disney vs Lucasfilm. What I’m trying to understand is how equals can be construed as the logical equivalent of a conditional on the LSAT?

Isn't "=" traditionally used as follows?:

Anakin = Darth Vader

Darth Vader = Anakin

Thus "=" functions differently in the form than "->". It is entirely different than saying:

IF Anakin THEN Vader.

Thanks again to anyone who can simplify and clarify! Much appreciated.

Clearly reading comprehension is my weakest section. But after close to 6 months of intensive prep, I've gotten to a point where I feel unmotivated in terms of practicing RC passages, or even blind reviewing them.

I think this is due to two reasons. First, I don't like reading about topics that I don't enjoy, or have very little familiarity (geology, biology, history of 19th century painting etc.). I tried the tactic of "convincing myself that it's the most wonderful thing I'm going to read"; but it doesn't really work on me.

Second, I lost my faith in believing that I can improve on RC. I don't think I've made substantial progress throughout these months. When I sit down and do a logic game or an LR section, at least I know that I'll make some sort of progress. The same can't be said with RC - I always get between -6 to -8 per section without knowing what my weaknesses are. I don't have a coherent strategy going into a section, and my mistakes are mostly due to not being able to fully comprehend the passages (or enough time to digest them). For example, when I read a passage that talks about geological processes and volcanic activities, I can't picture the descriptive sentences or string together a mental image, which contributes to less understanding of the passage as a whole.

What do you all think?

Thanks in advance

Anyone have any tips on how to approach these? Are they essentially just MSS questions?

For SOME reason.

I thought I was getting better at Reading Comprehension. I felt myself connecting with the passage, interested in the material, I was reading the Economist and a history magazine to increase my familiarity with that type of writing... it was going great.

About two weeks ago I scored my highest (-3).

Today. And every prep test after that, I have scored my WORST (-13).

I don't connect with the passages. I don't care about the material. And quite frankly, it scares the shit out of me every time I open RC.

Has this happened to anyone? it's a major stumbling block because I feel as if I've made vast improvements on my LR, my LG is consistently 0, but this is truly holding me back now :(

I would like to buy the most recent tests, I saw it advertised somewhere that you could buy 72 for around $6. Please let me know ASAP. Thanks.

Would anyone be willing to read over my personal statement & add comments/suggestions? If so please comment with your email. Thanks!

JY suggests giving up alcohol about 2 months prior to the test.

I've given it up for about that time for the Dec exam coming up.

But I've got to holiday events where alcohol will be served.

Will a drinks a week before the exam hurt?

I so wish I'd found this website a few months ago! I've been studying since September, taking practice tests and going through the exercises in the LSAT Trainer. My score fluctuates a lot more than I'd like due to timing issues, 179 one day and 166 the next. I've signed up for the December LSAT (less than two weeks to go!) and have started panicking. I feel I'd benefit from pushing the test back to February and going through all the lessons on this site and following the recommended exercise/coffee/steady bedtime schedule. It's too late to change the date but I could withdraw and sign up again. Or, I could do my best on the December test, see how it goes and cancel score or retake if necessary in February. I don't want multiple tests to look bad on my record or to underperform for the real test, but there is also the chance of getting my desired score or just having a another full length test under my belt before February. Any advice much appreciated!