Hi everyone!

Can you guys please share your experience with logic games and how long it took you to see improvements and what sources helped you get a better understanding of the section? I’m on day 3 of doing logic games, and I know 3 days is nothing but I’m seeing no improvements AT ALLLL. I’m bombing all the drills in the core curriculum, and feeling very defeated.

Thank you!

I just got back my score and was soo relieved that I got in the 160 range. Literarily just a couple months ago, I had no hope that I could score into this range until I got 7sage. Thank you guys sooo much for everything! I am still going to take the October LSAT because I know that I can get up to the 163-165 range but I am super pleased with my score especially considering how nervous I was on test day. I hope everyone got a good score!!

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It seems that no matter what I do I can’t get even close to -0 timed. Either I rush to finish all 4 games and get 8 wrong for rushing or I don’t get to the last game at all and end up with a -5 or -6. I really need to get this down to below -3 if I’m to get the score I’m aiming for in October. If anyone has any pointers I’d be very grateful.

For context, I usually do at least 1 full LG section per day (4 games) but I’ll often do more (6-8 games). Then I’ll BR when I finish and then I’ll watch video explanations for the ones I was too slow on or didn’t understand. Still, I consistently score around -8 on any given timed section. Again, due to either rushing or not finishing. Please help me!!

I am preparing for the October test (been studying for a year and a half) and I took PT 92 this past weekend, scored 169 (170 if the experimental LG had been the real one). RC is harder than previous PTs (I missed -5) but something even stranger is the LR section. I can't put my finger on it but the recent LR sections are more difficult and a bit scary during timed sessions even during the first 10-15 questions which in previous tests were lighter and practice for the difficult questions later in the section.

How should I prepare for October? Has anyone noticed the difference and what exactly is different? For me, it feels like the language is the issue in that not only is it more abstract but also unnecessarily convoluted, whereas previous PTs were worded fairly legibly and focused more on the formal logic behind the questions.

I am aiming for 173+ and I just need some help in figuring out my LR strategy. I think if I can conquer this new LR format and control RC a bit (even go to -3 from -5) my score would improve tremendously.

Hi everyone! I have a question regarding necessary assumption questions. I am trying to get a better understanding of NA questions, since this is the area I am struggling with. I seem to be going for answers that seem relevant and may strengthen the argument, but are not needed/required.

For example, let's use this example from lsat trainer,

Argument: "Because we locked the door, no one can break into our house."

A possible correct answer choice may look like: "One cannot break into the house going through the chimney."

Wrong answer: "The door is the only way in and out of the house, and the locked door is impenetrable."

Here is a second example:

Argument: "My husband says I consume too much caffeine, but that is false. I only drink one cup of coffee a day, and one cup of coffee is not too much caffeine for a person to consume daily."

A possible correct answer choice: "She does not get an excess of caffeine from drinking tea."

Wrong answer choice: "Coffee is the only substance she consumes that contains caffeine."

The problem that I am having with these two examples from lsat trainer is that I am not seeing how the wrong answer is wrong. I understand for NA questions we are looking for an answer choice that is needed in order for the argument to be true. I did the negation test for the wrong answer choices and they still seem correct. For example in the second argument, the wrong answer choice is "coffee is the only substance she consumes that contains coffee" and in my mind when I did the negation test it was "it is not the case that coffee is the only substance she consumes that contains caffeine" or "coffee is not the only substance she consumes that contains caffeine." If that is true, couldn't this be an answer that is required for the argument?? If coffee is not the only substance she consumes that contains caffeine couldn't this wreck the argument??

Any help is appreciated! Thanks everyone!

Really confused as to why the definition is helpful to the argument. Could someone parse this out for me please?

I keep getting the same amount of questions wrong (roughly 4) on logical reasoning, even when untimed. I blind review and feel very confident in my (wrong) answers too. I think this means that I'm just thinking about the stimulus or approaching them incorrectly. What am I doing wrong, and how can I get past this plateau?

Hi everyone! I've recently been getting a lot better with LG but when I blind review I start to doubt myself and change the answers. So when I do the game the first time I get a 5/7 or 6/6 but when I do blind review it I switch to wrong answers bringing me down a point or two. Could anyone help me out?

Could someone please help explain how they got to answer choice D?

Hey guys,

What are your thoughts on score preview? Can law schools see if you cancel your score? I don't know if I want to spend even more money on LSAC stuff! But if it really is beneficial, I think I'll look into it for my October test.

I am finishing up the logical reasoning curriculum and plan to practice test just the logical reasoning section for now, until I get through the rest of the Curriculum. How many should I be getting wrong if I want to aim for a 160? I know it also depends on what I get on the other sections, but just a general idea would be nice.

Would it be a good idea to attack questions 15 and up first in a section, then go back to 1-14 after? Burnout is real for me as I work through the section so this method might help. Thoughts?

I had a look at this to see at what point harder questions might start showing up

https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/lr_individual-question-difficulty

Hello everyone. I’m looking for some advice as I’m honestly panicking now. I took PT83 today and I had heard that PTs in the 80s were much more difficult. The LG section wasn’t bad but I ran out of time and got -8. The RC was ok and I also got -8 which is around my average. Now LR… I had been averaging -8/9 and got destroyed with a -15. Even worse, 7Sage classified this LR section as a 2 star difficulty section as a whole. I’m signed up for the October and LSAT and feel completely lost now. I thought I was finally improving LR but after hearing how the current LSATs are much like the PTs in the 80s I’m really worried. -15 in LR is abysmal especially in what 7sage considers to be a 2 star (easier) section. On BR, I got an extra 6 questions correct bringing my BR score to -9 (which is still bad) but definitely not -15. Where do I go from here? I feel like all hope is lost considering the October LSAT is right there.

Is there a specific section in the CC that teaches diagraming? I can do brain gymnastics pretty well but conditional diagramming isn't my thing. Any help will be appreciated.

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Does every real test have a comparative passage? I cannot seem to recall

In PT12.S2.Game 3, we have a rule that goes:

Mendel does not buy any kind of food that Nastassia buys.

JY, in his explanation video, drew the Lawgic as:

M --> /N

Why is it not /M --> N or N --> /M

Could you please help?

Hello, I have realized that there are certain questions on Reading Comprehension that do not have an explanation. For example the video would jump from question 14 to question 16 without any reference to question 15. Does anybody know the reason for that? thank you!

Lots of words below outlining my issues with the section. If you're also struggling with RC and/or have come up with novel solutions, please consider sharing ideas.

Reading comprehension is consistently my lowest performing section, I've got a pretty static -4 to -0 band on LR and LG, but reading is something that I'm worried I'm not effectively getting better at just from reading more passages.

Current Method:

I find that writing things down sucks up time and misdirects effort away from holistic understanding, because if I try to write a one sentence summary or comment on the structure I'll be focusing on that PARAGRAPH at the detriment of understanding the author's point as a whole. Currently, I don't use any paper in my RC strategy. This is probably a big area I need to consider. I'm entirely mentally reading for detail, and thinking about how things relate to each other as I go, keeping it in mental storage.

Concerns:

-Topics are too foreign/difficult/boring. I don't care about how 18th century English medieval common law courts carried out sentences pertaining to women's rights and how research methodology pertains to whatever. This makes it difficult for me to even recognize important details, let alone remember them. I also straight up don't know anything about art history or shit like that. I've noticed a significant boost in performance when it comes to science/natural history, things that I'm interested in, or technology/economics/finance, things that I've studied. Prior knowledge clearly helps but I don't see how I can get enough of a broad base of knowledge for the entire LSAT.

which leads to

-Struggling with inferences. Things that aren't explicitly stated are inherently fuzzy, and then I'm legit coin-flipping for those 5* Q's. I can't generate a mastery of the detail in these passage inside of 4 minutes. Current approach is to try and isolate relevant sentences from the passage, but then you inevitably miss things.

-General shitty reading ability? Like, I didn't have to write essays in college, so getting hit with these academic paper writing styles is tough.

Current stats:

170 Avg, 175 peak timed over 5 most recent PT's taken, up from roughly ~160 2 months prior. Need to get to 175 as a floor. RC consistently holding me below 175.

Thanks for any insights guys, let's make this a discussion. Feel free to dm me or call me a poopee head, I just need ideas for how to approach prepping this gd section.

Hey guys, the October lsat is going to be the first lsat i'm going to take. I don't think I'm going to score very high on it :( and i'm thinking of just signing up for the November lsat right now. Is that possible? or is there like a rule that you have to wait a certain amount of time before taking another one?

Thanks!

Hello, does anyone know a list of Pt's that have 2 RC sections?

Why is C wrong? Wouldn't the uncertainty of who is handling the networks still be an issue if the government funded?

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I can consistently get -3/4 on LR and RC, but I struggle with getting less than 2 wrong. My goal is 170+ so the difference between missing 3 vs missing 2 per section matters. When I blind review, I never seem to realize what I did to get the answer wrong, I only understand after seeing the explanation. Usually its very minor things such as a word that makes the answer less strong, or maybe the right answer was just stronger. Regardless, I know there has to be some way to get better and I am stuck. Any tips?

Hi, I will be taking my very first LSAT in October.

I am trying to adjust my PT schedule to the actual test time, but I cannot find the exact time of the exam.

Does anybody know how the time slots are going to be like on ProctorU? Is it going to be in the morning/afternoon?

Thank you!