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PT2.S2.Q11 LSAT 2 PREPTEST 2 Question 11 section 2

I don't get how this answer is "B."

The question is asking "Which following statements are consistent with biologist's claim, but not with politician's."

biologist claims: deforestation --> NO Koala

Politician claims: If save Koala --> stop deforestation (did I get that translation right?)

How is "B" consistent with Biologist's claim? I see how it's not consistent with politician's claim, which is part of the answer.

Is it that the Koala could still get extinct for another reason. If that's so, how do I get in the mind set to infer an answer like that?

Very interesting question. Chose C like a moron cuz I was thinking hmmm how would irritation in the lungs and pollen has anything to do with death? No way people die to pollen allergy?

AC A is the correct one. The fact that population increased does not mean anything to the argument. I can't even identify the trap here and my theories are that first, it is trying to trick the taker by hinting at that the death rate rose was just due to the population increase instead of the inhaler. But death rate has already taken into account of total population, so if death rate rose, the total urban population doesn't matter: it simply means that the percentage of ppl within a given population dying to asthma has increased. My second theory is that the test writers want to make test takers mistaken "population" as "pollution," but idk.

AC B is a direct reference to the part where the question stem mentions that the ability to count asthma patients has not improved. AC B bolsters that part of the argument, making it more likely that there is something else other than the increased accuracy of data collection.

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So I got sucked into the words when I was doing this. This is a clear necessary/sufficient question.

The logic structure, however, was fairly simple. IF retail store has Revenue decrease (RD), that means EITHER Attitde changed or P risen. IF P risen, salaries not Kept Pace. RD--> A or P, and then P --> /SKP.

Question stem shows that salaries kept pace, so SKP contrapositive of P --> /SKP is SKP-->/P. In English: SKP means that Price not risen. Then we go into the answer choice. When I was doing it, I saw D and thought hey if the other condition happened, that means the Revenues does not decrease, Chose D, but no. Both P and and A are necessary condition for RD. Satisfying RD leads to either A or P, but satisfying A or P means nothing to RD, and /P does not lead to A as the sufficient condition RD has not been met. The decrease revenues can still happen, or it would not. Basic lawgic lesson here. AC A is a popular choice, but /P in the condition chain of RD--> A or P doesn't do anything; so /P does not lead to A being satisfied.

Takeaway: be very sensitive to conditional words like IF, and remember the foundational lawgic. IF introduces sufficient condition, and satisfying necessary condition is not enough.

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Hello, I am working through Prep Test 4, Section 3, Game 1 and I am trying to understand what's the best way to approach question #5, specifically as it relates to finding the "Minimum number" -- I have watched the explanation video a few times but I am still not sure how to begin solving this type of question?

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Isn’t there an assumption w/ C? That the songs they were asked to write for movie soundtracks were written for those movie soundtracks? If I’m a movie producer and I ask a hit song writer to write a song for a movie sound track and they say no and write it instead for radio, how does that imply that the song was written for a movie soundtrack? Why is “Such songs” taken to reference “songs written for movie soundtracks” rather than referencing “those songs that movie producers (or whoever asks) asked writers to make for movie sound tracks,” because where the former implies they were written for movies, the latter does not.

They sometimes decline, because although “songs written for movie soundtracks” frequently become hits, their writers receive single up front payments rather than continued revenues from airplay.

Versus

They sometimes decline, because although “songs which movie producers asked hit song writers to write” frequently become hits, their writers receive single up front payments rather than continued revenues from airplay.

The latter example opens up the scenario that a movie producer could of asked a hit song writer to write a song for a movie sound track. The writer could reject the offer and write it instead for radio. In this case the song was never written for a movie soundtrack to begin.

It’s a small and reasonable assumption but it felt strange making in a MBT, I would of expected it to be reasonable in a MSS.

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Does anyone write low res summaries on scrap paper while taking sections and PTs? Any helpful RC improvement tips?

The explanation video rejects option (D) simply because it uses the term "primary goal," then moves on without addressing this answer choice further.

However, the stimulus starts off by framing the question around the primary goal of an ideal bureaucracy. Surely then, the primary goal of the the ideal democracy would be important to understand and find an assumption to support?

I would appreciate any further guidance on why (D) is wrong. Thanks!

Hello people of the good earth,

In need of some clear coated advice. I studied for eight months and scored a 150 on the August LSAT. This was my second time writing it as my first time was me being an overconfident rebel thinking I could swoop in a perfect score with 2 months of studying... I was very very wrong. I canceled that score. But, I came back with vengeance and determination and scored a 150. Am I happy with this score? Absolutely not, I was aiming for 160. I wrote the Saturday exam that had dual RC with African Languages and photo apertures. This section was brutal and I wish the best for anyone who got thunderstruck by it too. I must have scored a -15 on that RC alone. The rest of the exam went good. Now I am trying to figure out if I can increase my score by 10 points in two months? I know there is a lot of optimistic people saying its possible but is it a reasonable climb? I was PTing at 150 and I scored exactly 150. I know the perplexity of getting a section drilled to a T but, reading comprehension is my pitiful. So many high and lows with RC. Any advice improving in two month or should I throw in the towel for this year and continue grinding until everything clicks? Any help or opinion will help me immensely. Thank you beautiful people.

Thankful for any advice you have to offer! I Just took my first ever LSAT in AUG and I scored a 152. This was without any prep programs, just working through the Barrons text book on my own, for a month in half prior. I just wanted to take the actual thing to know where I stood. Now I plan to apply myself to 7sage and take it again in NOV. With that being said, I know that I can do even better with an even better preparation plan. I have my one time cancellation option. I'm leaning towards keeping the score because it is a score I could apply to some schools with and could show schools that I improved (hopefully) on my next LSAT. Does anyone have a reason why a 152 first time would be best to cancel? Thanks!

I was really sick that day, and I fumbled my best section (LG), which has been haunting me. Otherwise, I know I would have gotten a 168+. I feel awful :(. I am out of LSAT takes, so this is it for me. I'm just sad. I needed to knock the test out because of my sub-3.5 GPA. At least I'm done with the test forever. Meh.

Hi all!

I'm new to 7Sage (haven't done the core curriculum but have used the test scoring tools) and in a bit of a sticky situation. I just got the results of my third LSAT take and I don't know how to proceed. I started with a diagnostic of 166, which I'm sure was probably a lot of luck, but my official scores are 165 -> 168 -> 165. I'm aiming for something above 170.

My first test didn't go as well as I was PTing likely because I was pretty ill and I think I let anxiety get the best of me in my most recent take. I have a PT average of 171 and truly feel that I can do better than I have so far, but I don't know where to start. I've worked with a tutor in the past and while that was helpful, I think I've gotten as much as I can from it.

Would you all recommend going through the CC? Or would it be better to plug in all of my tests and build problem sets based on weak spots in analytics? Generally my LG is consistently -1 to -3, my LR is -1 to -5 and RC is -1 to -5. I'm also looking for a study group to work with in preparation for the November exam!

Thanks so much.

is there a way to see how one did on each section individually? I thought this was a thing in the past..

If anyone decides to help me out, please read everything I have asked because I feel that 95% of the comments I get don't answer everything I ask and I often leave with the same number of questions. And yes, I have already looked at Manhattan and Powerscore and LSAT Hacks and the comments AND the previous threads involving the same question before posting here. I always do.

My big problem with the 7sage explanation is that JY concludes that the conclusion: "no mark of success" means UNsuccessful and I think that is too big an assumption to make. My interpretation of the conclusion is that we cannot tell whether or not an underground group is successful or not based on sales alone because weak and strong sales don't mean the underground group is successful, even if weak sales is something these musicians desire.

That is why I had trouble picking B even though the premises match perfectly. I just have issues picking an answer choice that concludes both strong and weak sales indicate that the underground group is UNSUCCESSFUL when the stimulus only stated that we wouldn't know whether said group was successful from sales.

I found C incredibly attractive but it only does half the job. It does not connect the premise involving possible incompetency or the music being TOO trendy to the conclusion regarding how to gauge an underground group's success.

If anything here is wrong, please correct and tell me why it is incorrect.

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My PTs are in the 170s, but that's because my LR and RC usually carry my scores. LG always, always, ALWAYS is shaky for me, and I think it was a defining factor in my August score. I can go anywhere from -1 to -8 in LG, and I'm always struggling with LG even despite foolproofing. I also don't have confidence in LG.

Would love to find a tutor who can help me strategize and prepare for the October. Pls lmk. Thanks!!!

I don't understand how ac A strengthens the argument. Can someone please explain?

I just scored a 161`on my first LSAT in August and I am pretty disappointed by it. I was scoring a 165 average on my practice tests with a top score of 169. Has anyone taken the LSAT more than once and improved a few points in a short span of time? I am taking the October and November tests. I feel like I am capable of performing better but this LSAT was particularly hard for me because I got a super hard reading comp section and this is my worst section (the Quantum physics passage). I plan on doing some moderate studying (15 hours a week) from now until the test. Is it possible to improve to a 165?

I know usually means most but I am not sure about "tends to."

Help! What would "A book will not give its readers pleasure unless it was intended by its authors to have that affect" be negated?

After 6 long months of studying I took the august lsat and did significantly worse than I was PTing. I was averaging in the mid 160s consistently on every pt I took. After the august test I didn't feel great about how I did but I figured I just got in the 150s. unfortunately I only scored a 149. I don't know what to do I feel so discouraged that I paid a fortune for tutoring and spent so much time and effort into studying to only score my original diagnostic. How is it possible to average mid 160s and almost break 170 on my final PT before the test to only score a 149 and what do I do moving forward?

Hi everyone,

I had kind of a breakdown yesterday because of my August LSAT score. This was my second time taking it, and while I improved 7 points from last time (I got a 144, compared to the 137 I got in November last year) it's still very low, and I feel stuck. I'm registered for November, but I'm feeling a lot of pressure to score higher because my GPA is a 3.2, if I want to get into my target law schools, and I think it's keeping me from actually practicing again. I Does anyone have any advice on how I can strategize and work past this?

Got my scores back and actually scored better than any of my PTs to date - a 179. I've prepped full time since June, so had about two and a half months of study time. I took every PT 60+ and nearly solved every single logic game publicly available during that time.

So I'm going to pivot towards focusing on my app materials for the time being.

Shoutout to the super friendly folks on the forum as well as the explanation videos, test taking UI and analytics 7sage makes available.

I don't know if I'm qualified to give tips, but here's my 2 cents

Logic Games are all practice. You have to drill them till they "click." Once they click, they're all actually pretty similar to each other. Yes, even the crazy mauve dinosaur game will click eventually. It may never become trivial, but it will start to make sense.

Use the analytics feature on Logical Reasoning. Seriously. It saves so. much. time. This was the most useful feature on 7Sage for me. It isolates what question/difficulty combinations trip me up regularly. You can filter the results to only include most recent X tests, which will make the analysis more representative of your recent performance.

For example, I saw in the analytics section in my final run-up to the test that I consistently made errors in difficult (4-5 bubble) Weaken, Parallel Flaw, and Necessary Assumption questions. So I replaced PTs with focused drills on those types of questions & difficulty only. The Problem Set feature is very nifty for this. And about 100 questions per type later, I began seeing significant improvement.

Happy to answer questions if interested. May come back to return the favor by helping folks with harder questions.

Best of luck all!

I've taken the LSAT 4 times now, 144, 159, 159, and I just got my August LSAT with a 156. What doesn't make sense? My PTs were always 170s. I don't want to take this test again, I can't put myself through that stress again. I graduated undergrad in 2017, and had to take some time off for financial and health reasons, I really want to start this cycle. My GPA wasn't that great, 3.4. I was aiming at UNC and University of Texas at Austin but obviously I am far below their median this time. Should I even apply? How is it viewed when you get even lower points on a test you've already taken 3x? Is it even realistic to apply to schools whos median is far above our scores?

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I understand why the correct answer choice is correct because if robots were the only things going out to space, then why do we need to know anything about human limits but I don't understand why B is incorrect. Isn't the stimulus making the assumption that astronauts share these human limitations? Am I reading this wrong?