I just did the Weaken problem sets and got a lot of them wrong. I feel extremely let down and I am not really sure how to approach the questions that I get wrong. I watch the explanations but I don't seem to internalize the information that JY is saying when I do the next questions. Do any of you have any suggestions?

You can do:

P: A some B

C: A most B

But you cannot do:

P: A most B

C: A some B

Is this right? Some includes most, which is why in the first example it is correct, but most does not include some, hence why the second example is false correct? For specific reference, I was confused on PT 42, Section 4, Number 22 which is why I had this question.

anything would help! THANKS!

#help #help

Hello all!

I am taking the August LSAT and am almost down with the core curriculum. I will have 5 1/2-6 weeks dedicated to taking practice exams, reviewing them, and focusing on my weaknesses. Does anybody have any ideas/tips of how many PTs I should try to fit into those few weeks?

Thanks for you help and happy studying!

Hello,

I am new to using the PrepTest feature and am preparing to take the August 21/October 21 exams.

Should I be preparing using "stimulate flex" and having three scored sections or having 4 scored sections?

I want to be using my time correctly and efficiently.

Please let me know!

Thanks,

Maxwell James

I consistently get -3 (or -4) every LR section and can't seem to improve.

Well, I got my June Flex score back and, at 163, it's two points higher than my best PT score and above the 75th for my target schools. I'm not a 170+ scorer obviously, so take this as you will: The best piece of advice I got was to stop trying to finish every section and focus instead on getting the questions I attempted correct. On the official test I only finished the LR section in its entirety, 2.5 games, and 3 RC passages. I had to bubble blindly on the rest. If you're not aiming for the T14, that might be okay for you too.

Good luck to all of you, and thank you for the support!

I had been studying hard for that test. I had everything prepped and ready to go. However, when I started taking that test...man. Let me tell you. That was the worst mental and intellectual a$$ kicking I have ever received.

I have never felt more clueless in my life.

I got a 159. Same as my April score. I got a 144 my first time in Sept of 2018. This is my 3rd attempt and I seriously do not want to retest. My PTs were 166-170 consistently so I am not sure what happened. I am only looking to get into UNC, their median is 165 or higher with this cycle. I am frustrated, any advice on retaking or what my chances would be?

I am guessing I am not the only one who didn't get the score they have hoped for on the June exam (which hurts terribly after over a year of studying). Passing along two things that made me feel better after my last disappointment that I will revisit again this time....

This article: https://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/if-you-didnt-get-the-lsat-school-you-dreamed-of/. After you read it, I suggest making a sticky note with "Never flinch. Be tough. Be unflappable. Be upbeat." somewhere on your workstation. I look at it every time I want to quit.

Any episode of the 7sage podcast with a " lower score - (170+ score)" in the title. Almost every single high scorer that JY has on the pod has multiple lower takes with a rollercoaster of disappointments. We are not alone in scoring below our PTs and can benefit from other people's stories.

Please drop any other motivating tips below.... August here we come!!

Hey all, I'm feeling a little bit discouraged, and unsure on whether to take the August LSAT. I hit two 165's about a month ago, and was feeling optimistic that I would be able to make a break through either on test day or before the actual date, but my PT's have since gone down (163, and then 161, 161). If I walked out with a 167 or a 168 on test day I'd be happy.... Is it crazy to register for the August LSAT knowing that I have 6 weeks to improve a few points from my best? BR scores fluctuate from 169 to 178, so I know that somewhere in my brain, I do know the material... I also have a track record of performing better under pressure, so I feel that walking out of the test with a personal best, though unlikely, is not entirely out of the question.

I'm hoping to apply this cycle, and I'm trying to strategically pick between the August, October, and November test dates, knowing that I want to give myself the option of taking the test a few times. LG is my best section, and I'm wondering if the weight of the August test should be a factor in my decision.

Any advice or inspiration or solidarity would be greatly appreciated. I'm feeling very down on myself for poor performance these past few weeks, and I really had my heart set on applying this cycle. Do ya'll recommend just resetting expectations for next year to save myself heartache and disappointment? I just turned 25 and am feeling a little existential about being too old to start law school in another two years, and staying in a toxic job for an extra year before starting school.

Four f*cking years. I'm tired. I'm so tired of this shitty test. I go at most a -4 in RC and a -1 in LG. LR, though, is a complete and utter mess. I score anywhere from a -5 to a -13, or hell, even worse. I have no control over this section. I've been trying to master this section for four years now and I cannot. I've tried every resource available, every study technique, but LR success utterly evades me. I've done every LR section in existence. On the most recently released test (the May one), I went -4 in RC; -1 in LG; and -11!!!!!! in LR.

I'm so close to giving up. I was waitlisted by every school I applied to this cycle with a 164, and I can't see myself scoring any better in August because I seem to be getting worse in LR, not better. Worse. I have no idea what to do anymore.

If anyone can help me, please reach out. I really need help and I need advice for sanity-sake.

Got my second score back today and it was 2 points lower than my first. I really feel like I froze up on test day and that my score isn’t representative of my abilities at all- way lower than my PT average as well. I want to retake, but I’ve heard how top schools look at more than 2 takes as a red flag. Is that true? Would y’all retake?

Hi everyone,

While I've seen some people state their frustrations with scoring in the 165+ range because they wanted higher scores, I wanted to make a post for those who are proud of their accomplishments to date and getting scores that are reflective of where they want to be. No shame or disrespect to those wanting to achieve whatever perfection they are aiming for, but proud to support others who are doing their best all the same. Especially for those older in the group (30-year-old here!), the single parents or single-income households navigating full or part-time work.

This isn't the end of my LSAT journey (one more attempt will be made in October) but I wanted to give a huge shout out to those who consistently support and provide feedback in the lessons and discussion forums. Keep working hard, be proud of your accomplishments (because no one knows what this test is like unless they've sat through this process), and trust the process!

Hi guys, I just got back my score! Does anyone know if we can access the IRR for the June 2021 Flex? My icon says "not available yet". It would be super helpful for review.

It is doable. I am not done yet because I would like a 160. But if I can do it as a mother of 2, working full time as a litigation paralegal and gain 17 points then you can too! Don't give up! Also a very special thank you to my tutor! I couldn't have done this without her! (I hope she sees this post)

I got my score back and got a 159. Honestly I started crying but then realized a few months ago I thought I would never get past a 155 (diagnostic was a 148). I am proud of myself and I feel for anyone who feels like a failure for reading posts about people being upset with a 170. A 159 is the 75th percentile -- the top quartile. Of course that's something to be proud of. Even though I will retest in August, I am actually kind of proud of my score given how much work I've put it and raising it +11 points.

That being said, I will be continuing to use 7Sage in July to prep for August. I am aiming for 163 at the lowest (+4 point increase). Does anyone have advice on what to do in the short amount of time I have? My +11 point increase took me a year to get, I started studying in May 2020. Is a private tutor worth it for a month? I already know that success can only come with timed practice and real practice tests, which I of course plan to do. Any advice would be so appreciated.

And seriously... do not let discussions about 165/170+ being "mediocre" blindside you. This forum is filled with a very concentrated pool of dedicated people. A majority of people would do anything to break 155, 160 and 165. Reaching your goal is an achievement even if that goal is someone else's diagnostic. Congratulations to anyone who has studied their ass off and put themselves through months of practice tests and weeks of waiting to know how you did.

I've been studying for a while now and while I don't necessarily score as horribly as I did before, I can't seem get past the -7/-8 stage. I've gone through MANY of the LR sections and blind reviewed everything. I also watch a majority of the explanation videos, but even that still doesn't seem to be enough. Any advice please? I need help :/

I don't really know what's wrong with me, but after finishing my final exam for my summer class today, I decided to do a section of RC, lol. Yesterday, I took a section of LR from PT 55, so I figured it made sense that if I were to do another section, it should also be from PT 55 (I've decided to sacrificed this one long ago).

Here are some thoughts and reflection from multiple attempts at RC to get a perfect score from an English major ... (take it with a grain of salt, maybe the terrible heat finally triggered something in me, IDK.)

0) it might be possible

TRUST YOURSELF!! This is something I so deeply struggle with on the LSAT. But if there are any fellow English majors out there, or any avid/good readers, trust yourself! I can't tell you how many times I've second-guessed myself and went with a very attractive and popular wrong answer instead. This has happened to me on BR, too (overthinking is definitely a thing on the LSAT), and on the real thing, where I change an originally correct answer to a wrong one. If you're a good reader (and you know if you are, so keep telling yourself that), I want to say your intuition is likely going to be correct. For me, like the metaphor JY uses, there was a "little spark" in my understanding that was correct, and that led me to choose the right answer, but my self-doubt and extraneous (to passage) anxious thoughts extinguishes those little blooming sparks under timed conditions.

Sometimes, you don't even have to waste time thinking through a lot of the answer choices to get to the right one. I think this especially applies to method and purpose questions (but definitely NOT parallel/analogy questions). This kind of goes with #1 and especially applies if you have a prephrase. This saves a LOT of time. You can always go through the wrong answer choices on BR and critique them and find what's wrong with them, but you probably won't have time on the real thing to do this for some questions.

When I first started using JY's methods of low to high res/memory method, I struggled a bit and saw my score drop, mostly because a lot of the times I was thinking, "are you kidding? I can read. I'm an English major!" But I kept doing it (per some redditor's advice I think), started with writing out the low-reses during testing, and then eventually not having to write things down, just reviewing in my head what I read/what the author is saying after each paragraph. Another thing I found really helpful for me was to highlight the transition words, instead of sentences/things that are more related to substance. I had trouble with keeping up with both a substance- and structure-low-reses at the same time, so I found this method (highlighting transition words) to be very helpful. It eases up the amount of things you have to keep in your head, giving you visual cues just like the diagrams you draw in LG do.

Overall, the most important thing is to keep a positive mindset and keep affirming yourself with all that you are and all that you've accomplished in your LSAT journey so far! Don't let a stupid LSAT writer trick you into thinking you were wrong. I think it's a very delicate thing to know/figure out where you actually have no idea what the right answer is, versus where you do know or have an inkling. When it's the latter, go with your "intuition." (I put scare quotes around intuition because it's not really all intuition--you've read and understood the passage.)

If there are any scorers who do extremely well on RC, please give your two cents, too! I would love to hear what you think.

Hi everyone,

I am going through 7Sage CC, and I am currently on Alicia’s Bank Deposits – PF Question (PT31.S2.Q21).

JY drew the Lawgic of the stimulus as the following:

BDC->B3

AK (B3)

AK (BDC)

However, I drew the Lawgic of the stimulus as:

BDC->B3

AK->B3

AK->BDC

I was able to derive the answer and get the question correct. However, I am just wondering whether being able to draw the exact same Lawgic as JY is required to do exceptionally well on this test (175+).

Please share your insight!

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Let me start off by saying that, in every other area, whether in LR or LG, JY's suggested techniques have worked brilliantly for me. As long as the hours and repetitions are put in consistently and core curriculum hasn't been skimmed through, I believe these methods are widely applicable for most, if not all, people. JY is the man. In RC, however, it has often felt like I've been trying to force his 'low res' technique to sink in and, after countless hours of trying to hammer this technique home, my brain's natural method of information intake just doesn't seem to agree with it. This post is more relevant for people who take in information in a similar manner to me (eg: You read an article once through without distraction or stopping and can summarize it confidently)

When using the low res summary technique, each time I underline, circle, scribble a low res paragraph summary, etc, it tends to A) distract me (almost a 'context shift' for anyone familiar with Cal Newport) from actually absorbing/comprehending information, B) slow me down both in terms of sheer getting through the passage and comprehending first time through (resulting in inefficient sentence re-reads) or C) both.

Last week, out of tired frustration more than anything, I just randomly started reading passages all the way through without stopping to mark anything- just recreational reading like I would any book or magazine for fun. Definitely TMI, but I treated it as if it was just light reading a magazine on the toilet (which tbh was where I discovered this method), and it's strangely worked. I've gone -0 on nearly all RC passages since. I have a better feeling for passage structure and paragraph purposes, however, the main issue this has solved is timing. Because of my mind having a tendency to lose track of context or details every time I stop to mark the passage, that resulted in many sentences being re-read, resulting in 5-6 minutes being spent on passage analysis and STILL sometimes missing ideas, which then meant spending more time on certain questions than necessary. Simply reading it straight through like I would an FT article solves all of that for me. I'm acutely aware of how ridiculous this all sounds, but it's working so far regardless of 'cookie-cutter' passage type, subject matter (which used to catch me out, especially Art) or passage difficulty level. I thought tougher RecSE- type questions that require recall of specific or hidden details would expose me, but I actually feel better with these types as well.

Has anyone else done this or something similar? Is this going to come back and bite me in the ass?

When you are forced to brute force a MBT question, what is the best way to go about it? I try and eliminate as much as I can right away. With the ACs that are left, I just negate them and see if I arrive at a contradiction. The problem is that there is more than one way to negate an AC. For example, if the AC says A must be in group 1, then you could put A in group 2,3 etc.. What do you do in this situation?

Hi! I am essentially finished with CC and wondering what PT's I should start with and then end with prior to the August exam? I know the more recent PT are more similar to the current tests but a bit different from the CC. If you have prior experience or any advice I would love to hear it! I would aim on taking two or three PT's a week.

Has anyone heard any information about how the June LSAT might be curved? Also is there a different curve for every variation of the test, or one general curve for the June LSAT as one thing? Just getting nervous for Wednesday 9 AM now... (:

I have a hard time understanding why C is wrong.

My case for C is this:

Why would they need to increase their safeguards if they have the greatest safeguards out there. That would mean they can’t improve and so it would weaken

Because if we are going to sell them on this idea and physics say “no thanks this is 100% effective” how can we counter that?

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Hi! Can any one explain how they approached this parallel flaw question about perception? JY tries mapping but it would take me a long time to do and I am trying to see if there's something about the structure of the stimulus that can be used to get to the answer choice. Any explanation would be really helpful!!

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https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-41-section-1-question-23/