PT30 Game 2

The six messages on an answering machine were each left by one of Fleure, Greta, Hildy, Liam, Pasquale, or Theodore...

Anyone know of similar games? This one cost me a perfect LG section... which was infuriating because it's so easy once you get it. Wanting to try a similar game fresh.

Hi everyone, I noticed as I am drilling RC that I get 4 or more questions wrong during timed sections, but I get every question correct during BR. I know timing is an issue here because during BR, I am able to take my time reading the passage and have the freedom to go back to reference the text when needed. Does anyone have any tips on performing better during timed sections? Thanks in advance!!

I am confused about the word “generally” in the conclusion.

To Recap The argument form in Lawgic:

P1: Emotional Tendencies /(Changed)

Required Premise: Emotional Tendencies /(Changed)-> Generally /(Able to choose more wisely)

Conclusion: Generally /(Able to choose more wisely)

Answer choice E seems to bridge this quite well, (Able to choose more wisely)->Emotional Tendencies (Changed)

However, the conclusion is qualified with the word “generally,” which implies that that it holds true “in most cases.”

This, however, implies that SOME people can choose more wisely even if emotional Tendencies are NOT changed. This is precisely the negation of the conditional relationship between 'Emotional Tendencies' and 'Choosing more wisely.'

If all of the above is correct, then the sufficient assumption stipulated by answer choice E is presumably not even valid in all cases. So how can it possibly be a necessary assumption as well?

If the necessary assumption’s role is to put the argument on life support (to use JY’s phrase), then I presume the correct answer should read something like this:

“Usually, wise decisions at least in part require a change in emotional tendencies.”

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

Hey guys!

Is it wrong go through any type of strengthening question as a SA/PSA? (Finding the premise, identifying the conclusion, and choosing the answer choice that adds to the premise) If this is wrong, how do you determine just a strengthening question from that of a SA/PSA? Does the word "principle" in the stimulus have anything to do with it?

Hi,

I am having a hard time seeing why B is correct and C isn't, maybe because I really struggled with the stimulus. Could someone help explain this one?

Can anyone think of examples that would make the following answer choices correct

OR have come across LSAT arguments that have a method of reasoning matching the answer choices below?

it is compatible with accepting the argument’s conclusion and with denying it

it makes a value judgement that is incompatible with a principle outlined

It distorts the opponent's argument and then attacks the distorted argument

Thanks!

I chose D, but I think I might have mistaken this for a strengthen question. However, I don't understand how E is correct. Why does the fact that it doesn't show that megatelescope research is worhty for comparison.... matter? I feel like this is one of the AC that JY will commonly ask "who cares/so what?"...

I've been working through the late 40s and early 50s preptests and I'm consistently missing sufficient (and pseudo-sufficient) assumption questions because the stimulus includes irrelevant content which appears to be a premise but is really there to distract.

Do you have any advice on how to spot irrelevant content in these sorts of questions? Two examples of what I'm talking about are PT52S1Q17 and J27S3Q24.

I just went thru PT7 S4 Q13 and came across a question stem that’s says “In order for the conclusion above to be properly drawn, which one of the following assumptions would have to be made?” The question type is regarded as SA.

I originally thought it was a NA question despite the “in order for the conclusion above to be properly drawn,” because of PT56 S2 Q20. This NA question stem reads “which one of the following principles must be assumed in order for the psychologist’s conclusion to be properly drawn?”

Those two sound sooooo similar to me. I am able to tell apart NA and SA most of the time, but these two are messing my head. Any insight would be very helpful!

Hi everyone,

So I was stuck between C and B in this question because while I definitely can see why C is right, I wasn't able to see why B did not at least somewhat support this argument. After all, "most people" could apply to what "we" are obliged to do (as stated in the conclusion).

I feel like in previous strengthen questions I have seen before, "most people" does strengthen the argument (ie in strengthen questions where the conclusion is referring to other people besides "we"), but why doesn't it do so in this case?

Thanks!

Admin Note: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-34-section-2-question-14/

Hi everyone,

I finished my June 2007 prep test and am now doing the blind review, however, I am still having trouble with figuring out questions 22 and 23 in the first section. The questions are regarding the recycling centres and materials. The rules for these questions are:

Question 22 reads: "If Centre 3 recycles glass, then which of the following kinds of material must Centre 2 recycle?"

A. Glass

B. Newsprint

C. Plastic

D. Tin

E. Wood

Question 23: if C1 is the only recycling centre that recycles wood, then what could be a complete and accurate list of kinds of materials that one of the recycling centres recycles?

A. P, T

B. N, W

C. N, T

D. G, W

E. G, T

Would anyone be able to explain how to find the right answer for these questions?

Thank you in advance!

Hello!

I am stuck on Practice Test 31 Section 3 Question 22 about endosymbiosis. I get the structure of the stimulus. The stimulus is saying that the nucleomorph was found inside the chlorarachniophyte. The nucleomorph has to be the remains of an engulfed organism's nucleus because it contains two versions of a particular gene in its DNA. I'm imagining that the chlorarachniophyte engulfed an organism, and a part of the organism gave way to the functional nucleomorph, which is now found within the chlorarachniophyte. How can answer choice E be the correct answer? E says chlorarachniophyte emerged following the endosymbiosis, but chlorarachniophyte has to already exist before then because it was part of the process of endosymbiosis. The chlorarachniophyte engulfed another organism. Also, how is answer choice C incorrect? I'm having trouble following.

Thanks!

#help

Admin Note: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-31-section-3-question-22/

Quick question for those that have a better understanding of the 7Sage problem set generator than I do:

After I've completed any sort of problem set, I've noticed that SOME questions have a "target" indication next to them in addition to the breakdown about Round 1, Round 2 and Total under the timing column while others do not.

When it's available, how should I interpret this target time?:

Is it similar to games where, if I want to go -0 in the section then I ought to target for time?

Is it the average amount of time that other 7Sagers (perhaps in a particular score range) have spent?

Is this what J.Y. believes one ought to spend on this particular question?

It's just awesome the amount of data that you instantly have access to and I think this could be a huge value-add but just not sure how to interpret here.

Thanks!

Anything helps. I feel incredibly slow. sometimes I read sentences twice because I feel like i missed something or because I could not focus the first time... What is going on?!

Hi I'm almost pushing into the 170s and I'm trying to solidify my strategy for LR. Right now I read the question stem, read the stimulus and find the C, P's, and background info, then I translate the stim into my own words. After that I find the flaw and ask "What if...?" then I move into PoE looking for that pivotal wrong word that disqualifies an AC. At the end of all that I give myself a confidence score for each question.

My issue is this approach doesn't take into account the specific strategies per question type. I know you could say "just do it intuitively," I'd rather have a very concrete strategy for LR. Not remembering what to do under pressure is hard for me so this is what I've come up with and I'd love to know any feedback you have.

For labeling questions (argument part, MC): underline the conclusion, see where specifically support is flowing to and from

Argument questions: underline the conclusion in all of these, then follow specific strategy

Weaken / strengthen: no strategy!

Flaw: JY's 2 part test

NA: do MBT test and then the negation test

SA: see the structure of the argument, graph if needed

PSA: same as SA

Pmor: same as SA

MoR: understand what the author is doing, describe in my own words

Pfmor: see the flaw and get a strong understanding of what I'm looking for

point of agree/diagreement: do the chart where 1 person agrees / disagrees / no opinion

Premise set questions (MSS, MBT):

MSS: read the stim really, really well. Get a solid translation of my own of the stim, then move into ACs

MBT: if I can't do it in my head, graph

RRE: No real strategy. I generally try to find the point of tension and try to explain it, but I find these questions are just LSAC gauging how well your assumptions match their own (bit of cynicism here :D haha)

I'd love any links to good resources, recommendations, suggestions!!! Thanks in advance.

What is the primary difference between Necessary Assumption Qs and Sufficient Assumption Qs? Both are required to make the argument valid but I'm not quire sure how the answer choices differ.

Hello everyone,

Hope you're finding a way to maximize your LSAT prep in quarantine!

Just wanted to share that @"Cant Get Right" and I will be hosting a webinar on skipping strategy this

Saturday, April 11th at 7:30pm EST

Several of you have been asking about skipping strategy and specifically about what worked for me here:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/21717/140s-to174-thank-you-7sage

@"Cant Get Right" was my tutor when I was grinding and learning how to apply this skipping strategy was key to maintaining a consistent score range in LR

If you're interested in learning what it is, we'd love to tell you about it!

We're in the midst of preparing for the webinar and will be sharing the link soon.

Hope to see you there!

EDIT:

ZOOM LINK: https://zoom.us/j/5033908804

loophole teaches us to solve wordy parallel questions by running the numbers (principle & parallel question chapter). How can I apply this method during the actual exam and study period?

Hi all.

I know countless threads have been done on this topic, but I need a space to just kind of rant and get practical advice.

I have been studying for this test for who knows how long at this point. My biggest weakness is by far logic games. I completed the entire CC, took no short cuts in drills, etc., and I still can't zero out or get close to -3 on games. I foolproof, watch tutorials when I've missed games, and I still can't perform when I take PT's! For a while, I was consistently getting -5 or -6 when I would PT, and this past month I have been getting -8 to -9, as I was when I first started studying. Maybe the recent change (now PTing the PT's in the 70s) is causing this recent shift. When I take the test, I breeze through the first two games, but can't sufficiently work through the 3rd and 4th games. I figure out the game type, and I can see how rules interact with each other, but when I move to the questions, I can't work through them and completely blow it.

My main question is: what the heck do I need to do to get my scores up? I am so frustrated with this section, because it seems so intuitive and learnable, and after foolproofing sections, I always feel so dumb for having missed any in the first place.

P.S. I'm sitting for the July test, so I have a couple of months.

Hey fellow 7Sagers,

I'm going through the CC and I have a quick question for y'all about PT21 game 4. If you look at this explanation video: https://classic.7sage.com/lesson/sequencing-game-wa-twist-3-game-board-setup/?ss_completed_lesson=1115

You'll see that JY infers that H/K gotta go to the last opening on the second set-up. But why though? Why not H/K/L/M?

We could pick let’s say L for Week 3 and have MM appear on week 4 or M for week 3 and LL on week 4? I don't see what could prevent us from doing that. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Hi Everyone! I attended the skipping webinar yesterday which I must say, was SUPER helpful! But I am curious to know how do people generally BR RC?

My strategy is this:

Is this the wrong or right way of BRing RC? I am so confused!

Thank you in advance!!

Hi guys,

I keep getting strengthening and weakening questions wrong and I can't figure out why... does anyone have any suggestions or helpful tips that help them get through these types of problems?

Hi,

I chose C here because I thought it was supported by lines 5-7 and I didn't choose B because I didn't see how the passage showed how laws were less/more rigid (since I didn't see anything about laws being flexible or changeable). Can anyone help explain why B is right and C is wrong?

Any #help would be very appreciated!

Thanks!

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Can someone please help explain why D is the right answer and the rest are wrong based on the lessons on MBT question types.

#help

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I have a question regarding the use of the word "all". If a sentence proceeds in this manner: Cats are happy animals. Even if the "all" is not included before cats, can I appropriately assume that ALL cats are happy animals? or is it MOST cats are happy animals? or other choices?