In his video on EC, JY discusses the example A ----> (B---> C), where the embedded part is second, and it becomes A + B ----> C. But what if the embedded conditional is first [(A--->B) ----> C], what would the mechanical rule be then? Do we say that A----> B + C?

I picked D and confirmed myself in review.

The conclusion of the argument seem to be that watching network TV increases tendency to think of public issues in simple terms as compared to newspaper reading.

A is the credited answer. But even if one were to read the paper AND watch TV news, it is still the case that TV news programs make that person think about issues on simple terms? Doesn't it affirm the conclusion that people watch TV news for a simple view on an issue and than read the papers for the "full" view on it?

I really don't get why A is credited over D.

The primary objection to TV news is that it's over in 30 seconds using slogans, that's why it is "simplifying" our thinking. But if TV news devote equal time discussing multiple view points, then doesn't this weaken the conclusion? It suggest that since we learn about the opposing views, it can no longer be said that the TV watcher's understanding of the issue is simple.

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I've been studying for the Nov LSAT for about 2 months now with basically no improvement on my score--my initial PT was 159, then dropped to 151, 160, 161, and then 157. I'm super confused as to why this is happening and wondering if anyone has tips on how to be more diligent when studying or has had the same thing happen to them. I've been working through the core curriculum and BR every test

Hey all I’m studying for the LSAT averaging a 140 pretty low I know but I know I can get up to at least a 150. Do you think that achievable for the October test and if not the November test? If so any tips? My issue is focus and the LR section

Are you all still taking a break or gearing up for a retake in October and/or November?

So I started studying for the LSAT back in June of this year, and have been making progress in everything but Reading Comprehension. I usually score -11 or -12 on it pretty consistently in my PTs. What are some studying techniques that helped you guys out with bringing up your Reading Comprehension score?

the question is from PT86-s1, could anyone help me to explain differences between the two?

How soon can we have access to the September 2019 test? Is it usually the day after score release (Oct 14)?

Hello everyone, I have taken the lsat before, ive taken practice tests, and studied a lot. So its not my first rodeo. I continue, however, to not reach my minimum score of at least 160, I stay in the 150s - making silly mistakes, understood once I review. In your experiences, it is possible from here to know - keeping in mind I have a demanding day job - to reach that 160+ score. Thanks! Any advice is welcome!

Does anyone remember having the question about EE Cummings and his use of metaphor? I had three LR sections and I want to know if the section including this question was my experimental. It was my first LR section (first section of the test).

I am a test taker whose native language is not English, I have studied this test for about 4 months starting the end of May, LR is especially difficult for me, I have done the LR ranging from -3 to -9, which is not really good . The only section that has clicked with me is the LG section, after doing around LG sections for around 50 PTs, I have been consistently getting -1 or -0. I have done 10PT LG sections from PT40-50 two days before the September exam and get almost all -0. Then I bombed the LG on the actual test, I think it is really difficult, maybe the most difficult I have ever seen. After finishing the first game, I have already spent 9 or 10 minutes, i started to panic, the second game and the third game seems especially hard, I did some initial setup and cannot see many inferences, I start to skip games to the final one and finished that one with little time left, I think I guessed around 8 questions randomly in the final minute. Maybe the reason I did not feel too depressing is because it is my first official test, I just want some experience. But the LG section definitely made me fearful afterwards. Usually LG is the section that I count on to minimize the total errors for other sections.

If LSAC continue to be like this, I know I would never finish a section like this no matter what, But I just want to do my best as a foreign test taker.

What do you guys thinks starting from this point on? How do you plan to drill your LG sections? Do you guys think that picking 4 hardest games from certain PTs and make them a problem set and start drilling them within 35 minutes would work?

Currently, I am averaging -3/-4 per section and I would like to get that down to -0 to -2 per section. I struggle most with Sufficient Assumption, Strengthen, Resolve the Paradox, Weaken, and Necessary Assumption type questions, but I think rather than a question type...it's more about level 4 or 5 difficulty questions. Recently, I've also been missing these questions in Blind Review so I'm not sure what's wrong or if I am overthinking them.

Also, I finish RIIGHT on time or guess on 1-2 questions. I know speed comes with improved skill, so any tips on how I can finish consistently with ~2 minutes left would really help!

How should I proceed? I don't really have much time left and I don't have time to order and go through the Loophole :(

I'm really glad that I've come a long way in LR because I used to miss around -8 to -10, but I really want to score the best I can!

I would really appreciate advice and tips on maximizing my improvements given a limited time frame!

Is there a possibility of getting our scores before 10/14? This was my first time taking the LSAT, I'm very apprehensive about my score I don't believe I did what I'm capable of.

I am trying to decide about canceling or keeping my Sept score and wanted to get some other opinions. I have two scores on file from June (158) and July (160). I had been consistently PTing in the mid 160s (164-167) before Sept and my goal score was a 164 since it's the median for my top school choices though I would be ok with any increase, even 1 point, after this test. LG crushed me (barely completed 2 of the games and guessed on most) and ruined my confidence going forward on the other sections so I don't have a clear memory of how I did on them (though I remember feeling relatively good about the LRs and most of the RC).

Is it worth taking the chance of a score decrease and keeping the score or better to cancel and go forward with applying to schools with the 160 even though it's below the median/most of my PTs? (My GPA is right at the median for most schools I'm looking at and I have some other aspects of my application that should give me a bit of a boost).

Thanks in advance for any advice!

I have to take the ATSA (air traffic controller skills assesment) pretty soon and one section is a timed 20 minute section VERY similar to LSAT logic games. You have to answer 18 questions in 20 minutes and are allowed NO PENCIL or PAPER the test is entirely on the computer. Before you enter the testing facility your pockets are emptied and you are immediately disqualified if you are found using any outside source to help on the test.

Everyone who took the test says this section was extremely difficult, anyone have any advice? I've been studying logic games for some time but spend a lot of time trying to remember all the rules during questions because I can't diagram.

I've been studying for the LSAT for about 3 weeks, mostly on logic games, probably put in about 80 hours so far. My very first look at any of these games, I went through a PT and got 19 or 20 right... but I did it without a time limit and spent 3 hours on the games.

After my practicing/studying, I've got it to where I'd guess I can go -1/-2 on the LG in a PT in about 60 minutes.

Obviously, 60 minutes doesn't cut it. Under real test conditions & timing, I'm looking at more like a -9 on the LG. I did have one PT where I got -5, but there was a lot of luck involved (I didn't have time for 6 or 7, and guessed A and got like 3 or 4 of these blind guesses correct).

Any thoughts on what's realistic to hope for in terms of improvement before the October test? I don't have time to foolproof hundreds (or even dozens) of games. It's been a while since a game stumped me, but I'm still not necessarily making the right calls on when to split & try to draw out tons of inferences vs when to forge ahead with what I've got and let it play out in the questions. And even when I do make the right call, I'm still probably taking 25% to 50% too long on everything.

I have a head for logic; on my last PT under test conditions I went -1 on RC and LR combined. But speed has just never been my thing.

Thanks.

I had LR LG LR LR and RC in that order. The last two LRs were 26 questions and the first was 25 questions. Do you guys know which of these was the experimental ? I can’t remember specific questions for each of the sections but if you guys know maybe how many questions total the test was i can figure it out.

I saw powerscore predicted the curve at -12. What do you guys think?

After taking that LG section 2 and feeling defeated for the rest of the test, I’m hoping for -13/-14.

HI Guys!

All the test centers in my province are saying they're "unavailable" but I've booked a seat, how does this work? Will I get a seat, because I've already paid... I'm freaking out...

Hi All, I'm racking my brain right now with these SA questions, and I would greatly appreciate the community's help. While I can sort of diagram out the right answer, I don't exactly get why certain elements don't work.

For example:

If the support states that:

Don't Sleep -> Tired -> Prone to Mistakes

and the Conclusion is:

Don't sleep -> Fired

Why is the Sufficient Assumption: "Prone to Mistakes -> Fired" and not "Tired -> Fired"?

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**Please keep all discussions of the September 2019 LSAT here!**(/red)

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I had two sections of LG. THEY ARE RIDICULOUSLY HARD! I had no mental power left after those two sections!!! How do you guys feel about those two sections??

Is anyone else planning to cancel their score?? What are the pros and cons of canceling my score this time? How is it gonna affect my admission process?

I am putting this question out there, because after flagging this question and blind reviewing, I still got it wrong.

Currently, I am blind reviewing my process to improve my LR form, and I am also blind reviewing to address any gaps in understanding.

For this question, when it came to form. I felt pretty good

My steps:

For step 5, I was able to break down the grammar of the conclusion and the premise. But during the test, I could not see the gap clearly. So I flagged it. I was able to eliminate answer A, B, and C easily. I did not eliminate D and E. I came back to it and chose E.

Specifically, I chose E because the argument seemed to state that contemporary artists are mistaken, Mistaken about what? I presumed on their belief that their works enable many people to feel more aesthetically fulfilled. However, the premise focuses on "more great artworks" that human being could appreciate in a lifetime. So I thought I saw the gap, that the inability to appreciate work over a lifetime could not be lead to people feeling more aesthetically fulfilled.

As I read answer choices E, it seemed to match that during testing condition, but I am unsure it did during BR. Definitely, the difficulty in the answer choices factors in the difficulty of this question as well.

Let see if the flaw in answer E is actually evident in the stimulus

To paraphrase E: The argument assumes, without providing a reason, that the number (count) and variety (diversity) of great artworks already in the world affects (makes a difference to) the amount of aesthetic fulfillment derivable (coming) from any contemporary artwork.

It seems that E is incorrect, because it seems that it is not the number and/or variety of great artwork that makes a difference, it is the inability of human being to appreciate it all in a lifetime. So E seems wrong for the reason. But I still have my doubts on why E is wrong.

But although, I understand what answer choice D is saying. I have no way of understanding how the stimulus would be vulnerable to that criticism. Love to have a some help here clarifying this flaw question.

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The first question to the second game needs to be re-evaluated. I wasted so much time on this “easy” question and I still couldn’t figure out which one didn’t follow the rules. Anyone else had trouble?