Hi everyone!

I am in the beginning stages of my LSAT prep but am having issues with MSS questions. Any suggestions on how to improve? I have yet to pinpoint one specific reason why I am struggling with this type of question.

Hi 7sagers.

I've been reviewing my incorrect answers these days. One major problem in my LR is that sometimes I eliminate all the answer choices and cannot see the correct answer that describes the "gap" that I found in the argument, so I end up with a less wrong answer (which is actually wrong). After I review the explanation, I can see the correct answer does describe the gap/ logic error that I have found during the timed session. I know the correct answer choices tend to hide themselves in some ways. But anyone has any suggestions on how to solve this problem?

Practice makes perfect? or are there any useful strategies that we could apply?

Thank you in advance!!

Hi I don't see any posts about the international test, so I thought relevant discussions/questions here.

My specific question is which LG is experimental. The one with the weird product origins game at the end or the one with the pet owner thingy at the end?

Best of luck to all of you!

I had LR RC LR LR LG - Not sure how much we are able to share about answers but did anyone else get a weird string of Ds toward the end of one of the LR sections? I think it was the third or fourth...this totally threw me off. I saw it posted in another discussion thread too...

I have fool proofed LG 1-35 and I'm still averaging -8 or -10. I think my problem is I didn't do the weird games that showed up 1-20. Should I just do those games i didn't fool proof or should I start over?

Good Morning 7 Sage Community,

Hope everyone had a wonderful holiday. As I am making my way through the core curriculum I am considering signing up for the March 2019 LSAT as a type of practice run/PT/get comfortable with the testing environment. I then plan on taking the June 2019 test as well. I am looking to apply in the Fall 2019 for enrollment in Fall 2020 and I want to give myself the best chance at scoring well. Obviously is things dont go as planned I do have the later 2019 tests which I am open to taking as well but the goal is to be in a position to apply early with a great score.

From listening to the 7sage podcasts I have ben hearing the common theme of if you are taking the lsat, plan on taking it more than once to be the most successful. And some of the most successful have taken it 3+ times in some cases.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this or experience in a similar way? Thanks again.

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Today, many of us, including myself, took the Jan LSAT. Congratulations for having survived the tribulation. I just wanted to share a little anecdote with you, my peers.

For me, today, on the very question of the very last section, as the proctor called out for us to drop the pencil, I noticed I had chosen the wrong answer. I immediately felt a monstrous and bestial or animalistic urge to change the answer choice, but I stopped myself, then came a sense of indignance, but soon after, I only felt relief as I just closed my eyes and closed my booklet. Discipline. Acceptance. Confidence. I believe I have started to grasp all these things now, and that one wrong question didn't matter in the face of true growth.

Some of you know might know I got expelled from the Nov LSAT because I did not drop my pencil fast enough, and I have tried my best to learn from that experience. As many of you pointed it, "duh", and logically I agree. But emotionally, it was truly excruciating, especially when so many around me in that test or even today, did the same thing and were unpunished, and especially since I was practicing at, what I believed, to be my peak capabilities. But logic must triumph over emotions. Just because other people weren't punished, doesn't mean I didn't deserve to be punished, and it was only just that I was punished. We dedicate so much to this test, and to get completely denied, and permanently labeled, like that was soul shaking. I had to take time completely away from the LSAT, and 7sage.

I had to really look into myself about why I felt so bad, and indignant, because I knew I didn't deserve to feel like that. I was in the wrong. I discovered that, at that point, I was deeply emotionally and illogically attached to the LSAT. Many people on the forums have described the LSAT journey as an obsession, and for me, it was an unhealthy one. I needed to change so that this wouldn't happen to me again. This meant not only strategic and competency changes, but also mental changes, so that I won't even be tempted again. I wrote a short post about the "5 Minutes Remaining" method that helped me strategically. In terms of mentality, however, I had to get out of my own head, change my mindset from a subjective one to an objective one. I had to truly embrace that LSAT isn't worth getting upset, anxious, or depressed about, that law school was just one out of infinite options, and that if something was fated to happen, or if something was able to teach me something, then it cannot be a bad thing and that if it wasn't a bad thing, then I shouldn't feel bad. Whatever happened, happened, and whatever will happen, will happen.

Sitting here right now, I don't know if I did better in this test or not, but at this point, I don't think it really matters. It's all in fate's hands now. I'm just proud because I didn't make the same mistake again, but not out of fear of punishment, but because I knew what was right, and what was logical, and what was meaningful to me.

I had LR RC LR LR LG - Not sure how much we are able to share about answers but did anyone else get a weird string of Ds toward the end of one of the LR sections? I think it was the third or fourth...this totally threw me off. I saw it posted in another discussion thread too...

Maybe it is a symptom of our generation's tendency for instant gratification but does anyone else feel like the next three weeks are going to drag on forever??? I can't believe it's only been a little over a day since we took the January exam. What are you people doing to pass the time? It feels weird not having to do drills and PTs anymore...

Hey 7sagers,

Just wanted to know if anyone has used/come across online tools that can train you to read faster? (Hopefully for free)

I have come across https://spreeder.com. I am not sure if anyone has used this but I have read it on previous discussions that it has worked.

Any thoughts, recommendations or general speed reading advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks

Hey 7sagers,

I am right now in the midst of doing practice LG sections from PT36 and up. I am timing up, meaning I trying to feel out how many minutes I am behind/ahead in LG sections. The LG commentary videos are very helpful. So far, these are my observations:

Before I start doing my timed LG sections (PTs 52 & above) – I really wanted to iron out my approach to this section that I can implement in my current phase. This is usually what I try to do:

1- Get the first game in the section done immediately, regardless of what it is.

2- Thereafter, scan the other games and look for the first question in each of them to see if a game board description is given in the ACs (example: sequencing games will have all the elements in a row in the AC). Based upon my game comfortability, I will choose the next game

3- If I see a MISC game type (which I am having difficulty in deciphering), I try my best to skip it and come back to it at the end.

I am not sure if this above approach of mine is a good idea. Just wanted to ask other 7sagers what’s their approach when doing LG? How do you think I can improve mine? How did you improve on the timing of the LG section?

Thanks for all your advice in advance. 😊

There are two archetypes for answer choices: one that starts with something along the lines of "presume", "assume", or "takes for granted"; another that starts with something along the lines of "ignores", "overlooks", or "fails to take into account".

Most of us can do these questions based on intuition, especially if we use the method that JY taught us. I still visualize the goku doing his kamehameha blast on the car. But for some of the harder, more abstract questions, for me, it helps to realize what these two answer choice stems are saying.

Hope this helps, cheers =)

Something I have been reflecting on, and I think can help some of you who just started on the LSAT journey are some of the hacks I gained over time. I call them the LG sixth sense. When doing questions, sometimes, you can just feel whether you did something wrong. For example, when you do your acceptable situation question, you can learn from that whether you properly diagrammed the board; when you see a lot of CBT/MBT/CBF questions, you can probably assume that this game can be split into very explicit sub-boards; when you run into a local question stem, but no clear big inference pops up, you probably missed a rule or misunderstood something. These just hacks that came to me after review lot of games critically.

Do you guys have some hacks that you have developed over time for LGs? If so, why not share it? Thanks, and cheers =)

I am about 60% done with the CC. I plan to test Jun & July. LG is my weakest section however I fear that if I foolproof during the CC I will be stuck on the LG curriculum too long. I have already FP the first 3 PS for sequencing games.

Hi everyone,

When I was taking the LSAT yesterday my eraser left a large purple mark on my scantron. I want to get my test hand-scored but also want to apply as soon as I get the correct score back. I saw on LSAC's website that I won't be able to request for my exam to be hand scored until the scores are released. Does anyone have any experience with the turn around time for handscoring?

So I'm on the MSS lessons, and I didn't really do the drilling questions timed, i just did them and then went back and BR-ed them. Should I start doing the drills timed or is it better to take my time with them and save the "timed" part for the PTs?

This has been something that works for me. In the past, I have found that when the timer calls out 5 minutes left, even if I only barely started on the last passage, I can usually finish the passage and questions before the time is up, and not notice a significant score decrease in those last passages. Taking this knowledge with me, I approached a whole section with this mentality, and was able to consistently finish before the 5 minutes warning, and having the time to go back to hard questions with a fresh eye helps tremendously, allowing me to digest all the information I previously read. This is similar to what I did when I conducted confidence drills, but this gives me a more tangible sense of urgency.

The hard part was not losing the sense of urgency. Usually, by the third passage, I start slowing down, and need to remind myself that I'm running out of time.

I would also say that this is not a technique that works for everyone, and is probably fairly advanced. You may have to first master the memory method or other fundamental techniques first before this can consistently be applied.

Hope this helps. Cheers~

PS: Just did the test, and can confirm, at least for myself, the "5 minutes remaining" strategy did wonders. It keeps the adrenaline pumping non-stop. I can't confirm that I did well, but I did finish every section before the 5 minutes call, and probably both logic game sections and an LR section with about 10 minutes left.

LG section tripped me up for some reason. Seemed pretty standard maybe I was just today?

Was the LG session with the first game about computer installation experimental or real?

Hey everyone, hope everyone is either PTing to the stars or getting waterboarded with acceptance waves.

I just wanted to get some advice from the 7Sage family in regards to the near future (Saturday) and long term.

I am doing a dry run for the LSAT on Saturday (I have really bad test anxiety and thought it would be a good idea)

I started studying early Jan and cold tested with a diagnostic score of 150 on the June 2007 PT.

I took PT 16 today and went -12 LG, -9 -8 LR respectively and -4 RC for a score of 157.

Any advice for me to prepare for Jan LSAT and subsequently the March/June?

Thank y'all in advance!

Currently going through the CC and fool proofing the problem sets. I have done a decent job at diagramming but i am finishing the games at a slower rate. It is also taking me a while to make inferences for certain games. I'm guessing this is going to take a while? Lol

Hi! I'm taking the LSAT tomorrow and would love a bit of last minute help on this one to boost my confidence.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-34-section-4-game-4/

In the explanation, JY explains that answer B is correct using a thought process I cannot seem to grasp despite the number of times I watch the video. if J is in, then P is in - no problem. but then to say that when J is in, O and N can also be in confuses me...I understand that looking left of J - taking the contrapositive - O and N are in. but in doing so, don't you have to leave J out since it requires the contrapositive of J to get O and N in? I must be missing something super basic here. please help :) Thanks!

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Hey guys,

I’ve been drilling pretty hard for Saturday’s exam. I started feeling burnout on Monday and have been taking a break from the material. Would it still be a good idea to do a RC passage and logic game Friday? Is there anything I can do to shorten having burnout?

Ironically enough my biggest problem is timing. I did the diagnostic and received a 155 (I struggled with answering a lot of the logical reasoning questions and had to guess on a lot so I didn't run out of time) However once I went back and had time to fully answer the questions my BR score was 175. I am able to understand the material, I just am having a hard time performing under pressure. Can anyone give me tips on how to improve this before I write in January?