Hi everyone, I just began 7sage and got 146 as a diagnostic score. Im hoping to get to at least 165 or above on the actual test next year. Ultimately, i want a good enough score to get a full tuition scholarship preferably to UF or FSU... Im planning on studying from late august 2018 and into 2019, to take the june and july tests. any advice?

Hey 7Sagers, I'm leading BR calls for PT 84 (June 2018 LSAT) RC only.

There will be two sessions total. One for passages 1 & 2 and one for passages 3 & 4.

All sessions will start at 8:30p and end at 10:30p ET.

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We'll read the passage together, paragraph by paragraph. I'll ask you to make low resolution summaries of each paragraph. We'll use those low res summaries to build higher resolution summaries. Then, we'll answer the questions together.

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Have a clean, unmarked copy of the PT ready in front of you so we can read and answer the questions together. Please wear headphones and try to be in a quiet place.

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Obtaining PT 84

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Past Sessions

7/23 Monday - RC - passages 1 & 2

7/25 Wednesday - RC - passages 3 & 4

The title pretty much says it all! Wondering if I should commence "chilling" tonight, or if I can just take the day tomorrow to relax. I feel like since I do have a fresh PT left, I should make use of it. I've already taken the LSAT twice (Sept 2016 & 2017), and I finally feel confident in my average PT scores for test day Monday. This will be my last time taking it. Any guidance in general on what I should be doing tonight / tomorrow is appreciated! Thanks all. And good luck to everyone taking it in 2 days!

If anyone is interested in meeting semi-regularly to review RC passages/question types they find especially difficult let me know and I can organize a group.

I have such a hard time with Logic Reasoning no matter what the question types may be. I read the stimulus and understand it for the most part and pick the "correct" answer confidently, then do a blind review, but, when I review my answers I am almost always wrong. Once I watch JY's explanations of the questions I can see clearly why I picked the wrong answer choice - and it is for the most part a stupid mistake from either reading the passage incorrectly or the questions.I have tried to improve by slowing down and even reading the questions and possible answer choices multiple times, but that hasn't been helpful as I am still going with my gut and picking the wrong answer choice.I am really good at Logic games and fairly good with RC - but I can't seem to improve on LR. Any suggestions?

RC is about the last section I really need to make some improvement on. I'm happy with my accuracy on all of the passages that I do (they are between -0 and -2) but I also only make it through 3 passages within the time restraints. Does anyone have any experience with doing RC faster? Any help would be appreciated.

Hi Friends,

I'm calling upon the collective wisdom of the 7Sage community.

Long story short, I don't feel prepared for Monday's test. I haven't taken enough PTs and I'm not at a place where I feel comfortable with timing, etc. I work a full-time job, as a lot of 7Sage folks do, and I haven't put in the study hours that I'd like to.

I'd like to start law school in fall 2019. What do you all think - should I withdraw from the July test and take September's test or just go for it knowing that I'll likely need to retake it in September? I feel a bit stuck because even if I withdraw and take September's test, that still doesn't leave me a lot of time considering I will still have a full-time job.

Thanks Everyone.

I just completed the Causation and Phenomenon-Hypothesis Question section in the CC and have a few questions regards the content in there before I move on to Strengthening Questions. I'm first of all curious as to if those who have completed the problem sets did so in a timed manner (1:24) or if you took time on each question within each of the 15 sets to try and find the answer? Any additional info/different perspectives would be greatly appreciated!

hey all,

so I've heard from @"Cant Get Right" and others the importance of doing confidence drills for LR.

I was wondering if you guys did confidence drills for RC?

My guess is that confidence drills helps people with pacing, speed, and confidence. I think those skills are also very important in RC, as well as in LR. So i was wondering if ppl had experience doing confidence drills for RC, or if they have any advice or suggestions?

thanks.

The July LSAT is upon us.... and despite my satisfactory gains in LG and LR (thanks 7sage), my reading comprehension is still dismal.

So I'm asking my fellow 7sagers.. throw it all out on the table! What last ditch attempts could I try to pick up a few extra points in RC? I don't think there's much that could hurt me in terms of RC at this point so hit me with your best shot lol.

I know there are many long term study strategies to build a more sustainable understanding of RC and I'm committed to retaking and mastering RC the RIGHT way. But as for now, if you have any test taking tips that have helped you to gain a few extra points on RC I would love the hear them!

Good luck to all my fellow July test takers. May the wind be at your back and the odds in your favor!

Why not D? if (D) wasn't true and not all scientific investigators received a grant, then wouldn't that mean serendipity can play a role in scientific discovery? Since they would not have to make clear projections and disregard info not directly related to their research.

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I took my first PT Ever after completing the CC a couple days ago and got a 149 ( I didn't take a diagnostic prior to starting the course).. my score was bad mainly because I missed an entire game (printing issue) and I was kind of panicking at first because it's the first time I've gone through a full length PT before. I BRd the PT after and my score went up to a 153. I'm registered for the September LSAT and I can devote as much time as I want (I've been doing around 6-8 hrs everyday 6 days a week) but I don't think I would be comfortable pushing to November because I have to go back to school and I want to keep my GPA up. I'm aiming for a 160 at least, but obviously the higher my score the better. I'm strong in Logic Games but I get some roadblocks with the very difficult RC passages and some LR questions. Also I've been studying since April 15 so I don't necessarily feel like I crammed for time but I am getting close to the test date... Some general advice on how I can improve, how to overall manage my time with regards to studying (taking tests, doing drills) , etc would be much appreciated

Thanks guys

I do not understand why b is correct. Can someone help me understand why b is supported. Thank you for the help

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It takes me about 5.5--6.5 minutes to do a set of four PAI questions (without bubbling in the answers). So while I'm not doing terribly on time, I'd definitely like to cut 10-15 seconds on my PIA questions. Are charts a bad way to approach these questions under timed conditions? Any suggestions?

As for strengthening.. just... help.

Hi friends! I'm looking for advice/suggestions from those of you with backgrounds in liberal arts, law, humanities, art, and social sciences.

My background is in science/tech, which makes the science passages in RC a relief, but has left me struggling with the passages focused on specific artists, art history, social science etc.

I see people posting about reading The Economist and other tech/science journals to increase their understanding and stamina with those subjects, but haven't seen a consensus on reading material for the humanities. I've been reading the New Yorker and more prose-heavy books, but am lost otherwise. What are your suggestions? Thanks!

I have been studying for the LSAT a month now (10 hours + per day) and I am going to take the test Sep 8th.

I already build the fundamentals for all sections (with practice questions for each of course) but I only took one full PT for diagnostic. I still feel I need more practice on assumption type questions and RC. I was thinking to start hitting PT after I am done with building the skills and the fundamentals (which will be July 22). Do you think that's a good idea? and will i have enough time to practice more questions until Sep 8?

Hi everyone,

Just thought I'd share some things I've learned in the course of studying for LR and that I'm really excited about!

I would like to say that I did go -1 on both LRs on my diagnostic and since then have only fluctuated in the -4 to 0 range. But I REALLY, REALLY want to emphasize that it didn't mean that I necessarily understood what I was doing or that I was any kind of master. I have no doubt that some of these good scores, especially on my diagnostic, had a lot more to do with luck.

I know this because I realize that my mindframe taking an LR section now is so, so different than before. 42 sections of LR later, and I can FEEL the way my brain has changed. 905 of the time now, I can already guess what the correct answer is going to be before I even start reading the multiple choice options. Whereas before, I used to run out of time, I finish with minutes to go... sometimes even 10 minutes left. Now, the only questions I get wrong are the really hard ones -- like 5-circle-difficulty scale hard. I want to emphasize that it's not because I'm any kind of genius, but because of tips, a lot of which I've learned from all of you.

Things that have helped:

Anyway, I'm making this post because I want to emphasize that I really feel like my brain has changed. I feel so much more confident in my LR skills, not like I'm blundering my way through and hoping. For those of us who aren't happy with your scores, it's completely possible to improve! And for those of us who did well at first, there's still probably room for improvement. Thanks everyone!

Hey everyone, Across my studies, one thing that I have tried to do with LR is to look at arguments as repetitions of older forms of arguments. Trying to distill the argument in front of us down to something we are familiar with for me has been a real key to building my competence in LR. Competence leads to confidence, which shaves off time. Some of these forms are form that appear on nearly every exam: a sufficient/necessary confusion, the valid argument forms etc. Some are bit more rare.

My test dates are coming up (I’m scheduled to take both the July and the September exams) and I wanted to make a few posts about some specific (albeit rare) argument forms I have come across in my studies. This post will be dedicated to an argument form I have tentatively called the “tether” form. I am unaware of any other effort to specifically isolate and categorize this form or the others I have planned to post on in the coming weeks: although it is certainly possible that others closely studying the exam have indeed done so, maybe others have even named the form.

The basic analogy I want to build on here for the “tether” argument is this:

Imagine I have presented you with the following argument:

The New York Jets football team had an amazing record last year, after all, they finished with the same record as the Chicago Bears last year.

At bottom, I have tethered the claim in my conclusion to an unstated/unknown dock in the premise. A necessary assumption here would be that the Chicago Bears had an amazing record. Because the Jet and the Bears are both equal, if this assumption were not true, we would be tethering the Jets to a non-amazing record, which would defeat the argument. *_Note here to NFL fans, I am aware that in the real world this isn't exactly a necessary assumption because The Jets and Bears are in different divisions and the same record could be worth more in the AFC East etc, nice catch if you were thinking this, but: play along with the general gist of the argument for me please ;-) _

Going further: around this unstated assumption we can construct: weakening answer choices and strengthening answer choices. So in short, before we get into some examples: If I tell you that something is popular or great because it is similar to something else, I better have told you that that other things is popular or great, because by virtue of how a premise functions, I am “tethering” the subject of my conclusion to that in the premise.

Take a look at the structure of PT 56-3-10, where we have this very same outline slightly obscured by the usual LSAT tricks:

-Premise: because we have the same income from sales of t-shirts as these other series

-Conclusion: Our concert has popular appeal

With this knowledge in hand, we can see that what the argument has assumed is that the subject in which we have tethered the subject of our conclusion to in the premise, does indeed possess the property that we discussed in our conclusion.

Remember: because the Jets had the same record as the Bears, therefore the Jets had am amazing record.

We might also be asked to weaken this argument structure.

Pt 51-1-8

Here we conclude: sugar does not cause hyperactivity in population x

On the basis of: the behavior of sugar is tethered to the behavior of sugar substitutes.

Here, the credited response is simply a denial of the tethered assumption. In short: sugar is like a sugar substitute, therefore sugar does not do Y.

There is an infamous example that is slightly more complicated than the others on PT 37-1-19:

Here we have essentially “tethered” hatha yoga to traditional self help groups. And on the basis of that tethering, we conclude that hatha yoga is “powerful.”

There are other arguments that fit this form. These are just a few memorable examples.

In conclusion, my recommendation here would be to take the examples of this form of the argument and study them. Committing this form to memory takes only a few minutes of focused study and paid me dividends on PT 82, where I was able to spot a “tether” argument, answer it quickly and efficiently and move on to other questions that demanded more time from me. If you are able to do the same, please comment below with the question on PT 82 where the tether assumption is located: this is how you will know that you have successfully committed this form to memory. Carrying an understanding of a argument form forward is an important tool on the road to competence on LR.

David

Hi all - So I've been studying my butt off since January and will be taking the test on Monday and also am registered in September.

My greatest fear, which is something I have been worried about since the beginning, is getting absolutely stuck on a logic game and thus ruining my overall score. It does occasionally happen (e.g. last night on PT 79 when I missed a quarter of the questions), and I end up with like a -8 or -9. Yet, I have gotten plenty of great scores on LR sections during PT including a -0, -1, -2, etc.

So I am seeking strategies if something like this occurs. Usually, when it does, it's because I can't figure out how to properly split a game board (or if I even should split), and/or I am just paralyzed in determining a proper approach to the questions. Furthermore the game just feels like it is beyond my ability to solve.

Overall I have probably spent more time working on Logic Games than anything else, so I would hate to crumble on this section! Especially because I am feeling more or less confident with my abilities on the other 2 sections.

Thanks all would love to hear your thoughts!

I recently got aproval for time accommodations for the September lsat. Problem is I’m taking the July lsat with out the accommodations. Do you think if I get a good mark on the July they will relinquish my accommodations?

Hey everyone. I'm in the RC section of the CC currently and was wondering if anyone has access to the "template" that @"Accounts Playable" references in his webinar? I can't seem to locate where it is. Thanks a lot!

So if you print PTs from 7Sage, in the LG section, you have a giant margin at the bottom of at least one, usually both, pages to do all your scratch work. In the prep test books supplied by LSAC, there's hardly any room. Which one reflects how much space you get on the actual test?

What’s your schedule from today to test day on Monday? I did my last PT (84) today and scored what i typically score. No ugly or sexy surprises. Tomorrow, i have plans to go to my doctor appointment, read the economist, drill one section for confidence and meditate.

On Thursday, I’m getting a facial, meditating, watching movies. Then Friday-Saturday i will be reading the economist and meditating and doing 1-2 confidence sections as well as preparing my zip loc bag with test day stuff. Sunday night — nothing — will probably binge watch a show or something.

What are y’all doing?

Logical Reasoning Help:

PT63.S1.Q1 (and Q2)

PT63.S1.Q1 - I am confused as to how this is a strengthen question. The prompt (if I’m not mistaken) is an inference type: “which one of the following most logically completes the argument?” I would appreciate any help!

PT63.S1.Q2 - Overall, this question was extremely difficult for me to understand. To weaken the argument, I would need to find an alternate cause for Jocko’s silence. The majority of the answer choices seemed to provide alternate causes (?) Again, any help would be greatly appreciated!

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So I am looking for some guidance on the hard Logic Games I should practice. This section is by far my strongest section. The past couple of PTs I have scored my worst -3 and best -0. Because of this I have really backed away from working on LG so I can focus on LR and RC. I am concerned though that if I don't practice some then I will end up with a game I am not familiar with in September. Does anyone have a list of some of the hardest games that I can use to practice? I had some notes on advice someone gave on another post that said to practice PT27G2, PT29G2, PT33G3, PT79G4, and PT70G3.

I wouldn't say I have mastered them by any means but I actually genuinely enjoy doing them and have done very well after going through the CC and some fool-proofing. If only I could say the same about LR and RC.