Hey guys,

I began doing logic games last week and I’m kind of stuck. On average it takes me 12-15 minutes to finish a game and sometimes I can’t even finish a game.

Not only that, I’ll reprint the games and redo them but only to reinforce the skills learned.

But I feel stuck.

I’m not exactly sure if I should restart the section and start from the beginning. I got up to sequencing games with a twist problem set 4. But even still I feel very uncomfortable moving on.

I’m kind of stuck because I don’t know how to progress through the section. I don’t wan to move too slow and I don’t want to speed through it.

How should I move forward from here?

Thanks

Apologizing for the essay in advance but ...HI guys, I think I've posted regarding this topic before, but as the test date draws closer this issue is becoming more pressing for me. I did a PT last week and I got a 150, I've improved overall in RC and and LR, but I want to add I got this score while COMPLETELY bombing the LG section (I'd rather not say what I got but I pretty much failed). I know my issue is not one of understanding, because I BRd the LG section first just to see what I would have gotten if I had answered like I know I can and my overall score went up to a 158 (18/23 after BR on LG). My goal is a 160 and I feel like this section is the only thing holding me back from achieving it. I don't know what else to do at this point, I've done hundreds and hundreds of LG questions, and done so many timed LG sections I've lost count. Like I said I know that I understand it but I just can't do it under timed constraints and I know it which causes me to panic during the PT. Do you guys have any suggestions of what else I can do? I've practiced so much and I feel like its not really helping because like I said i DO understand it, I just feel like I can't do it on time. I'm open to tutoring, or just about anything at this point.

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

RC isn't my favorite section. I get anywhere from 10-16 right, 13-14 would be an accurate average for me on RC.

It's important to mention that I've never practiced it (going to do it when I get there in the CC). Is it possible to go from averaging 13-14 to about 20 right on RC after finishing the CC? I'm wondering because I've heard so many people say RC is tough to improve on because it's something that a person was taught there whole lives and can't be improved in a matter of months.

How much did you improve on RC after finishing the CC?

I only finish about 3 passages by the way, I usually run out of time while reading the 4th.

Thanks!!!

I couldn't pick any of the answer choices in PT44.S4.Q8. Can someone clarify if my understanding is ok?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-44-section-4-question-08/

[Stimulus]

Premises:

Conclusion: Therefore, ________.

(B): Insurgent parties are to stay in power ---> address disagreements

(B) talks about "to stay in power" which is not mentioned in the stimulus. We don't know what the party needs to stay in power.

I don't know how we can infer that since factions within the party are as different from each other as they are from the ruling party, they can't stay in power unless they address disagreements.

I don't know why we must assume [staying in power] requires [not having disagreements within the party].

Even if Faction A in Party X is ideologically closer to Party Y and Faction A disagrees with Faction B in Party X on many issues, maybe these factions (A and B ) need the money Party X provides.

For example, the Liberal Democratic Party in Japan, which had a number of factions with different ideologies, had stayed in power for more than five decades (1955-1993). During that period, some factions within the party had closer ideologies with other parties. Disagreements came forward. Factions fought against each other in the same constituency. But even though they had brief interruptions, it is still the ruling party.

Thread title kind of says it all. I'm extremely nervous about this section because it will most likely determine whether or not I reach my goal score. I've done 20+ RC sections since I began studying and have been scoring anywhere from -6 to -16... which is extremely concerning. Just recently I was able to get through all 4 passages and only had to blind guess on 4 questions (before I could barely get done with 3 passages and question sets.

I was wondering if anybody had any tips or review methods that helped them get better and more consistent at RC? I watch JY's videos which seem to be helpful but i'm still struggling with being consistent.

Thanks in advance!

I am stuck. Can anyone help?

An apartment building has five floors. Each floor has either one or two apartment. There are exactly eight apartments in the building. The residents of the building are J,K,M,N,O,P and Q, who each live in a different apartment.

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How much do people actually improve in the last couple weeks?

I've been getting more comfortable and I genuinely feel like my PT scores (which have been stagnant for a while) are going to improve over these next few weeks but will it be enough? My average is a 161 but if I can just fix my LG issues then that alone would put me at about a 165. (I BR around a 170) And I still have a long ways to go with skipping and general time management.

Should I simmer my expectations? Or can people really jump 5 points in a matter of weeks.

English is my first and only language I know.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-57-section-4-passage-2-questions/

PT57 S4 P2 Q8

Passage summary:

If you don't want to read the passage, the author thinks science and humanities can benefit by a synthesis of the two, the result being the coined phrase of "scientific humanism." The author is neutral in regards to favoring either discipline and blames the two areas having a misunderstanding of one another that is preventing them from coming together.

Question 8. Inference: Author Agree

Answer A: Scientific Humanism is characterized by the extension of description and explanation from science to the humanities.

When I first read this, I thought it was stating "from science to the humanities" in the form of a spectrum. In other words, my first reasoning was analogous to the song America the Beautiful, where it states, "from sea to shining sea." The song is not stating "crowd brotherhood from one sea and put it into the other." But the AC here should be understood as "take description and explanation from science and put it into the humanities." English is strange and I am wondering if anyone else thought this way. I understand my first reasoning is not the correct way of viewing the English for this question. So, how can I not make this mistake again?

Thanks in advance!

Hey guys,

I'm confused about how to deal with the analogous questions in RC. This type of questions spent me lots of time, but still be wrong. Is there any tips or approach?

Thanks!

I wanted to see the reason why I got rid of B and D is correct.

B ) "The qualities enabling a person to be elected to public office" -

Descriptively incorrect. The premise never said her past antinuclear record is the quality that enabled her to be elected?

D) "It leads to the further but unacceptable conclusion that any project favored by major smith should be sanctioned simply on the basis of her having spoken out in favor of it"

Descriptively incorrect. Premise did say we should build the nuclear plant not because Mayor smith favored it but because Mayor Smith "who supported antinuclear record" favored it.

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Hello, all! Can you suggest how to effectively parse sentences? I understand that every sentence is unique in its structure, but is there a universal, generic application or set of steps that can help in parsing ? Thanks.

I've missed nearly every single Evaluate question I've come across. How are we supposed to approach these? Is there a list of all the evaluate questions anyone can share for drilling?

Hi all,

I am currently drowning in papers because of all the fool proofing I've been doing. Once you finish fool proofing a section of games (i.e. all the "Introduction to Logic Games & Sequencing Games" logic games) do you throw them away? Do you keep them? What's the most efficient way to manage all this paper? I plan to return to the games I just fool proofed, once I'm done with the CC for Logic Games so I'll be returning to the ones I've already fool-proofed to make sure that what I've learned sticks.

I've heard of people keeping track of their scores/ timing per logic game on excel but that seems a little unnecessary to me and I am not the best at Excel.

I hope I made sense.

Thanks!

Hello everyone,

If a question stem says “which one of the following statements can be properly inferred from the statements above?”, is this a MBT or MSS question?

Thank you in advance.:)

Game 1 from PT 34, for example. I couldn't even set up the board... Is this normal, or am I doing something wrong? I've been foolproofing exactly as 7sage says, even using 10 clean copies for each game.

Hi everyone! So I have been trying to read for structure, and I think it has paid off mild dividends. However, not enough. RC is killing me, scoring around -6 on it. With the September LSAT on the horizon, I was wondering if there is something I can do to try to get a few more points in RC. Is it worth it to buy the LSAT trainer and drill the RC section? Are there any other useful RC resources? Thanks!

Hi all, here's my current approach:

Please let me know what you guys think of this approach.

Thank you. :)

Took another PT yesterday. LR: -5 and -8. LG -3. You know what? That'll do for me. My problem is RC. I went 10/27 on the June LSAT and on my PT yesterday I went 15/27. I don't know what else to do. I have been doing low res summaries, but there are just some of those "what the F" passages that lose me. Tips? Things that worked for you? Lately I have just been practicing RC over and over, but at this point I do not know what else I can do.

I am a reader too...like, this is frustrating.

Hi all,

I am taking the September LSAT and I am not done with the Logic Game portion. As you can imagine, I am freaking out.

But, anyways. How should I be approaching these lessons?

Should I watch all the videos and do all the problem sets and then come back later to foolproof all the problem sets and questions I struggled with (which, is probably all of them at this point)?

OR should I watch the videos and full proof the crap out of the sets I struggled with until I get it right and then continue to go through the CC, stopping to foolproof before moving on?

Is Fool Proofing for after you're doing with the CC???

Thank you.

I'm currently in the process of fool proofing (I'm on PT 8 of 35). I feel more comfortable with logic games but it's still by far my weakest section. I often find myself freezing up and having to watch the explanation because I have no idea how to proceed with the game. How long did it take for logic games to click for you? Did it happen gradually or all at once?

Hey, guys, I just found out my results from the July LSAT, and wouldn't you know? I am back once again on this journey called the LSAT. I was PTing in the low 160s, and shit hit the fan with the first LG section (usually score -2) and it dropped to a 153 (I am sure with help of the residual shock that hurt the next section). Anyways, hoping to see if anyone can point me in the right direction. Was averaging -15 LR; -8 RC; -2 LG, so if any has an idea of how I can analyze this trend, feel free to comment. Thinking of running through the CC on weaker question types, drill, and start PTing again in mid to late SEP. Thanks, and lets crush it!

I am absolutely terrible at RC. I can't finish all 4 passages and even without finishing all 4, I still get quite a lot of questions incorrect. Any RC tips? I'd appreciate any tips. I tried notations but I found that it slowed me down because I was spending too much time trying to figure out what was important enough to circle or put into brackets.

I am trying to get a realistic idea of the range that my September 2018 LSAT could be in a couple weeks. My diagnostic score was a 140 and now months later my last few LSAT's have been 156,155,157,158,158 from PT's 73-77. I feel that I am still making HUGE progress with every test even if my scores don't show it and will continue to push over these final few weeks. My target score has been a 160 from the very beginning. Do you guys think a 160 on the actual LSAT is pushing it at this point ? I'm a realist and would just enjoy your honest opinions. Thanks !

Hey all,

i've been realizing I get around 2-3 wrong per section in LR that are due to overconfidence errors.

i usually kinda go through these questions quite fast/think they're relatively easier.

When I see I got them wrong during review, I realize that it's often a common trap AC that I've just been easily duped for. This may happen because there's an attractive trap AC that is right in all areas except the scope is wrong.

Or if it's a NA question, I'd pick the SA answer rather than the NA answer.

Overall, I can kinda live with getting 5 star curve breaker questions wrong.

But getting these relatively easier/medium difficulty questions as overconfidence errors is a real pain in the butt.

Any advice on overcoming and preventing overconfidence errors in LR?

I've seen a lot of advice on ppl addressing under confidence errors -- by being more reckless, aggressive, etc. But I haven't seen too much on addressing overconfidence errors.

hey all,

so i've been struggling with overconfidence errors in RC. I average about -5/-6 timed RC, and -2 for BR.

Of the -5/-6 timed, 3 of them are overconfidence errors

those errors are usually where i pick one answer choice, and am pretty sure, and sometimes don't read the other answer choices.

other times it's that i get tricked by a trap AC.

any one have any advice??

it's always tough to balance timing with accuracy with RC, as well as to find that sweet spot of not being overconfident but also not being under confident. should i more intentional in trying to eliminate wrong AC's for more questions?

any advice or suggestions would be appreciated. thank you!