I took my first LSAT practice blind, without reviewing any material. I Scored a 146. I have about 11 Weeks until the June 8th LSAT. I will be able to study a lot. I don't work full time and I will be able to devote 4 days a week to complete studying. I would be ecstatic if I scored over a 160. Does anyone think this is possible?

Hey, everyone. I've been studying for the LSAT for a while now and would like to more fine tune my studying in LR. I remember some mentioning packages by question type, but I cannot remember where they can be found. Would anyone be able to help with this? And if such sets exist, do they interfere with PTs currently left untouched by 7Sage?

I learned in a video explanation that "will usually be" always indicates a correlation? Is that true? I don't think I have that in my notes. Ooops lol

Hi all,

I started 7Sage 3-4 weeks ago and I'm about 20% through the curriculum. Now that I'm on Spring break I hope to finish the rest of the curriculum in the next two weeks and then start with practice tests. But I'm not sure if I want to take the test in June or October. I intend to apply in the fall to enter school in fall of 2016

Thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks! :)

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-62-section-2-question-13/

I am making a spread sheet of the questions that I got wrong in this section and I am needing some help. Can someone please help me I am stuck. I am re-writing the question stem in a way that I understand it and then I am writing down the answer choices to explain why 4 are wrong and the one right is correct.

I am not really understanding why the correct answer is D. I picked B. Can any one help me understand why the other answer choices are wrong? Thanks!!!! :)

I'm just curious to know what are people's schedule for the June LSAT. Maybe we can use this thread as a way to see everyone's schedule such as for those that study 40+ hours, those that work & implement lsat prep, those that are still in undergrad/grad school & manage studying for the LSAT. This may be helpful for everyone retaking in June and needs motivation to get back into study mode.

I'd thought it would be great if we got a retakers thread started for this upcoming June Test. What are some things you are planning to do differently? Study materials, schedules, etc.

I underperformed by a lot from my PT average so June it is...

EDIT: I would like to use this thread for June prep so we don't crowd up all the entries. :P

I recently got into a top 25 law school for Fall 2015 entering class, which is a good regional school. I also am a resident of that state, so I would get lower tuition.

I took the LSAT twice (1st score: 157, 2nd score: 161), but my practice tests had been around 165-167 range, and I was studying while working full time. I am not sure what my true potential is. I am wondering if it would make sense for me to try to retake the LSAT again this coming June, hoping for a score in the 170s, and then delay entering law school for another year so that I can get into a T10 school….OR just start going to school starting this Fall. Note that I’m 35 years old, and already having a professional career, so time isn’t really on my side. I'm trying to balance the advantages of cheaper tuition at a reasonable school, against the possibility of opening up more options by going to a higher ranking school, but waiting an extra year.

If it is worth it to consider retaking the June 2015 LSAT and waiting another year to enter law school, my follow up question would then be, how can I get a good personal assessment of my true potential score, with enough study and practice, and what score is worth retaking for?

Thanks in advance for you any advice!

Can anyone quickly tell me if "for" is a logical indicator word?

"The statement above, if true, most strongly support which one of the following?"

I can never tell if I should answer this as a strengthening question or as a MSS question. Could someone better explain how to approach this type of question stem?

I don't get it. No matter my score and no matter the overall difficulty of the section, I almost always miss difficulty-3's over 4's and 5's (even in higher proportions and not just raw numbers). Is anyone else having this problem? I assume my radar is ever stronger on the questions that are clearly more difficult.

pt 51 sec 1 #21 MSS

Hi Everyone, I was stuck on this question, and I was wondering if someone can take a look at my breakdown of this question to provide any suggestions and feedback. Thank you!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-51-section-1-question-21/

this question is interesting, i feel like for this question, you almost don't need to map out the lawgic unless you do not fully understand the question stimulus.

i didn't really understand the second part of Jon's lawgic mapping...

The effect remains quite strong during colder months if the garden is well coordinated with the room and contributes strong visual interest of its own.

Jon wrote: CM → [WC & SVI → ES]

Why did Jon put CM as sufficient condition? Wouldn't WC & SVI → ES be enough/correct?

A. A garden separated from an adjoining living room by closed sliding doors cannot be well coordinated with the room unless the garden contributes strong visual interest.

WC → SVI

Not right because WC & SVI goes together, they're not sufficient and necessary conditions.

B. in cold weather, a garden and an adjoining living room separated from one another by sliding glass doors will not visually merge into a single space unless the garden is well coordinated with the room.

SD → M → WC

This is incorrect because q stem doesn't state that it'll merge because it's well coordinated. it just says that the effect remains strong if it's well coordinated.

C. A garden and an adjoining living room separated by sliding glass doors cannot visually merge in summer unless the doors are open.

M → SD

But first sentence states that SD → M, so this is backwards, so incorrect

D. a garden can visually merge with an adjoining living room into a single space even if the garden does not contribute strong visual interest of its own

correct because the only thing that will allow it to merge is the sliding doors. visual interest just makes the effect stronger

E. Except in summer.... this is just not a good start...incorrect

How do you approach MSS questions? Sometimes, I feel like lawgic isn't necessary, as long as i understand fully what the question is saying. Sometimes, lawgic is necessary... I think LSAT is difficult because the test is dense and may lose me and I may miss one or two words, or get confused because of it's wording... what are your thoughts?

Hi Everyone -

I'm looking to collect some best practices because I work full time, so I need bang for my buck during study time. I hope this forum will benefit others in my situation!

I took the LSAT a while ago and scored in the low 160s with very little preparation. I thought - HEY! If I try really hard and use an awesome course (like this one!) I have a chance of breaking 170! By using this course, I've improved in terms of my raw score. I get almost 50% fewer questions wrong per section, but this only improves my actual LSAT score marginally.

Now, the thought that I've reached the capacity of my intelligence has crossed my mind. But I think this may not be the case - after some very serious self-reflection. Because I immediately understand why I get something wrong, I feel like this is more about synthesizing all of the skills in a test taking environment.

Can we start this discussion to share "curve breaking" tips? They can be any kind of suggestions - how to study, when to study, how to approach certain problems, strategic skipping, active reading strategies, timing strategies... Any thing you got - I'm all ears!

Thanks in advance everyone!

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hi everyone, i was wondering how i can improve on flaw questions? I feel like sometimes they're obvious, but for the harder ones, i either get it or i don't. Any tips on how to improve? I plan to redo the flaw practice problems, but i feel like if i drill enough, LSAT may repeat those flaw, but i need to see why that is the case instead of memorizing the common flaw packet. I think this has helped, but it hasn't helped enough.

some notes i took from the lessons on flaw:

Flaw / Descriptive weakening

similar to weaken, similar to MOR questions

Descriptive

2 step test for choosing the right ac: (especially helpful for tough questions, where the wrong ac are very attractive)

1. Descriptively accurate for the argument - if it doesn’t rightly describe the argument, then don’t even bother with 2nd step, this ac is wrong

my notes on this tip above is that it may be easy or hard to spot. for example, this difficult flaw problem, which most people picked D, it is neither descriptively accurate, nor does it describe the flaw. However, the inaccuracy of D (incompatible) is so subtle, that I missed it when under timed condition. Any tips on how to improve? I guess i truly need to learn to walk before i run, but under timed condition, i feel like i'm forced to run with it... if that makes sense.

I literally watched this video 5 times in a row, and everytime i listen to it, i learn something. but can someone please give me more tips? im truly trying to improve for my June LSAT test.. thanks everyone

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-51-section-1-question-15/

2. describes the flaw? - the ac is assuming, is that why the argument is wrong? Review 19 common argument flaws

sometimes the trap answers satisfies step 1, but not 2 (descriptively accurate, but wrong flaw)

this is hard to spot if i feel like i didn't anticipate the flaw already...but sometimes i can take a stab at the answer choices and get lucky on the harder ones.

Any other tips on how to improve on LR in general? i feel like for each test, it is a hit or a miss, some LR sections are hard, some are easy, sometimes both are easy, and RC and LG are harder. Maybe lsat tries to balance the overall difficulty of the test without giving away a pattern

Question:

What is the difference between

A-->B

______

A-->/C

and

A--->B

_____

not (A--->C)

Sorry about the title, but I'm a soldier...

I took the overseas June 2012 LSAT and scored in the 160s. I was usually -0 to -6 total for LR and LG combined, and -SHITLOAD for RC. My study plan was skimming the Powerscore Books and doing a few PTs. RC was always my worst part, and I I have since abandoned the false assumption that you cannot improve on RC. I base this on my experiences going through about 80% of the Ultimate curriculum.

Anyway, I agree with the general consensus to NOT read the questions first. I have always gone straight to the passage and then hit the questions. I have been -0 to -4 on the RC problem sets in the curriculum with the variance NOT reflecting the "difficult level" in which they are categorized. I don't see any compelling reason to change my approach, but I want to check with the crowd on something.

So, to get to the point: has anyone tried an intermediate approach of reading the question STEMS only before reading the passage?

Possible pro: picking up and marking answers during reading / more clear pre-phrasing of answers

Possible con: getting too involved in the details and neglecting the structure and viewpoints

Please share your thoughts/experience.

For now, I will keep doing what I have been doing. Thanks for our insight, friends.

I was curious to know if anyone here had taken 2 PTs in one day?

1 in the AM and then one in the PM? I read a thread on here were one person was actually doing this but I can't find it.

Would you guys recommend this method? Or would you call it an automatic burn out?

When doing RC passages, I seem to do worse when I get too focused on the details. On the other hand, I tend to do better when I maintain a "big-picture" view of the passage. Furthermore, the former causes me to spend more time reading (3-5 minutes) and the latter less (i hope that was clear... probably not I'm a shitty writer).

To elaborate, when I maintain the big-picture approach focus on the structure, viewpoints (and how they relate), and the main idea of the passage and paragraphs.

I think "getting too involved in the details" means I get too focused on understanding the inferences and assumptions within the passage and neglect the larger implications.

So, even though all answers are equally weighted regardless of their focus, does anyone prioritize aspects (opinions, examples, definitions, etc...) of the passage? (Note: i won't way "parts" of the passage because they are not always broken down so neatly...)

So maybe a decent priority of focus would look something like this:

1) Main Idea

2) Structure

3) Opinions/Positions

4) Examples

5) Definitions

6) Assumptions, Inferences, other gaps in the arguments

Any similar experiences? Thoughts?

Also, when I look at a passage after reading and marking it, more underling and bracketing=worse performance.

Hello all!

I plan on purchasing the 7Sage course soon and am planning out my schedule until Feb. I have been previously studying for the Dec and postponed due to not feeling ready yet. I'm currently in a Blueprint class set to end in 2 weeks. My first cold diagnostic back in July was a 136...lol. My diagnostic for the BP class on Sept 28 was a 151and I most recently just hit 163 on a PT last week. BP has definitely helped me reach 160 but I feel it does not really cater to the needs of a 170+ scorer.

I plan to complete the 7Sage Curriculum during December and complement with the LR/LG Cambridge Packets for drilling. I'll save the LR/LG "Most Difficult" Packets for January and start section drilling/PT's as well in January. I will drill the RC packets in no particular order, but from Dec-Jan. Can I get some opinions about this brief study plan?

Anybody in the OC already in/want to start a study group? I'm moving back home temporarily to study with no distractions on the 15th and would love to study together, even if we do nothing more but have LSAT books on top of a table and are sharing the same space.

If your decision is contingent on finding a study buddy who is similar to you, I will message you my stats :)

Hey!

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Hi all,

Curious about your thoughts on how often and under what circumstances you turn LR questions into "lawgic" diagrams. I find that in a lot of cases, even when I see conditional relationships or logical indicators, I get to the answer faster without drawing them out. Or, at least sometimes, when I do draw out the relationships, it doesn't necessarily help me answer the question and I feel like I've just wasted a bunch of precious precious time.

Appreciate your thoughts and advice!

I diagram my If, then, unless statements like this, would this be accurate way of diagram this condition?

• If, then, unless

----------------------------SPW--------------------------------------------/FB---------------------------FA

• EX: If [the seeds are planted in the winter,] then [flowers will not blossom unless fertilizer is applied.]

SPW: Seeds Planted in the Winter

FB: Flowers Blossom

FA: Fertilizer is Applied

SPW → /FB

........ → FB → FA

(The first arrow in the second condition is suppose to slant down from "SPW"

Alright, as a little background to this, I've always read super fast. As such I never run out of time on the Logical Reasoning Sections, ever. I usually have around 8-12 minutes left by the time I'm done, and I don't really feel like I'm rushing.

Unfortunately it's the section I've been suffering on the most lately, especially now that I've improved my analytical reasoning a lot. I'm not doing terrible (168 PT) but the LR sections are the ones that I feel I can do better on. I have to sit there for the full 35 minutes anyways, so I probably should be doing something more productively. I'm not sure what however.

I was doing the same thing, time-wise, on the reading comprehension, and my solution there was to just make a lot of notes on the passage. That actually worked pretty well. But it isn't working for LR. So if anyone here has had the same problem I would be happy to hear some solutions.

Thank you.

My apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere.

How are the games organized in the LG Bundle? Chronologically? By type?

Thanks in advance for your help.