I noticed that they started going to the elimination question right after each individual rule rather than doing it after going through the rules as a whole and thinking about deductions. Why did the process change?

Also, what do they say about doing "if" questions first on LG? recent videos seem to be doing that. is that a change from previous process? if so, what is the reason for the change?

thank you.

Q. When to and not to use formal logic and/or contrapositives

How do you diagram this

J is selected unless W is selected

J is selected if and only if W is selected

If W is not selected then J is not selected

Either J or W must be selected

Help anyone

Hi guys,

I am really confused about this question: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-25-section-4-question-17/

After reading the question, I notice what the author is trying to do. It is trying to argue for a sentimental value to counteract the mayor's argument for the monetary value. And the conclusion argues can be translated as due to the great importance of the sentimental value the item listed should be restored.

From this, I immediately draw up the missing assumption which is almost a principle that is missing: if sentimental value in this case is greater than monetary value then the government needs to fix it despite the fiscal limitation.

As such, I moved into the answer choice and didn't find it or anything close to it.

So I was puzzled between A & B. And finally I chose A for the reason that the argument appealed to emotion. But it is wrong.

Why?

collecting all thoughts about the Monday February test

Hello,

I would really appreciate some advice here,

So My RC on old PTs (20s to 30s) were on average -3, I knew that old RCs are much easier but at least I thought my reading ability wasn't too bad. But the more recent like 60s PT, I'm now averaging -8 and this really freaks me out.

The pattern that I am seeing is that I would miss only 1 or 2 on entire 3 passages and get completely destroyed on one particular passage that feels most dense. (usually the second one) It seems comparative passage doesn't pose much problem.

Should I just print out most difficult passages and focus drill them?

Its just so frustrating how my performance on a single passage kills the RC score

I chose C. The stimulus talked about two different groups eat dinner at home sharing similar nutrition value etc. J.Y. says that (D) address paradox by suggesting the first group(work outside of home) eat outside more often. But it still confuses me why C is wrong.

Any insights would be appreciated. I face a hard time to solve PRE Question which should be easy to tackle for most people.

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-19-section-2-question-05/

I'm quite confused on this question. I was down to answer choice A and E, and ultimately chose A. I understand why E is correct, but I still cannot grasp why A is not.

I thought that the stimulus could be viewed in relations to not only "conclusion/premise," but also "phenomenon/hypothesis." The passage is telling us why "consumers are buying more durable goods" because they expect economic growth. And with this, the economist further explains/hypothesizes that "the economy seems to be heading out of recession. "

To my knowledge, providing any hypothesis to a phenomenon would be trying to explain the phenomenon, which is exactly what answer choice A states. For instance, if you see a phenomenon that whatever you drop from a building falls to the ground, by hypothesizing that there seems to be a force (gravity) that makes items drop, this would be providing an explanation to the phenomenon. Any help would be great!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-24-section-2-question-10/

Hey guys! Here's the official Feb. LSAT Discussion Thread. Please keep all discussions of the Feb. 2017 LSAT here!

Here's some ground rules, taken from my usual sticky:

We know that everyone will be excited to discuss what was on the Feb. '17 LSAT, but mentioning specifics about the test (e.g., "I got B for question 6" or "the 3rd LG was sequencing") can get both us and you in a lot of trouble with LSAC. Saying that the test was hard/easy without going into detail is okay, but anything more specific is not okay. LSAC monitors this forum.

If you're unsure what may be too specific, feel free to PM me with what you'd like to post.

The only exception is you can say which sections were real or experimental. For example, the LG with "flowers" was experimental. That's okay.

TL;DR: PLEASE don't talk specifics about Feb's LSAT!

Real/Experimental Keywords here:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/10332/february-2017-lsat-real-experimental-sections-keywords

Hey guys, so i took the Feb LSAT and i had three logical reasoning sections. I'm just wondering if anyone has figured out which one was experimental because i feel like it could really change my score depending on which one it was haha. If anyone knows and can help me figure it out, i'd appreciate it.

So I know this question has been asked a hundred times, but I could really use some guidance. So February was my first time taking the LSAT and it was my dream test. My test booklet number was my address, I have a bee tattoo, and I feel so confident that I excelled on everything before the break and the last LR. Then I got the real LG section. I didn't write down one of the rules for the second game(RIP Teapots) and was so frazzled I answered maybe three questions in the last two games. I've never not finished a section before, even from my first cold PT. I really want to go to a T14, and I was scoring in the range for that, but I know this will at the best possible scenario be in the low 160s. Should I cancel my score knowing that it isn't a representation of how I was doing, or save it and just pray that there aren't any hiccups with the June test. I'm living overseas to teach next year, and I really wanted to be done with the LSAT before I left, but I could take it again in June if I cancel it, and still feel comfortable taking it again later in Japan? I'm sorry if this isn't cohesive, I'm so frazzled still. What would you do, oh mighty sagers if you were in my boat?

Seriously. This was my 3rd take and I really messed up on LG. I was rushing through it and was making things overly difficult. I usually will get -1 or -2 on LG and I honestly feel like I got -10 or something. I'm thinking of cancelling but I just am secretly hoping I somehow pull through and get 160+. I've already submitted my application but haven't heard anything back yet. My GPA sucks so I was really banking on the LSAT. I feel like no matter how much I practice, I get there on test day and do something stupid.

Also, I took my first LSAT in February 2016, so if I did need a retake, does this mean Feb 2018 is my closest date?

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Any of you who didn't have 3 LR sections remember a question that was about young parents posting photos of their babies on social media? Thank you!

I started experiencing some nausea and other issues from inner-ear problems about a week ago. I thought I was well enough to take the LSAT since my symptoms were pretty mild except in the evenings, but after adding in test-day nerves I was pretty sick by the time the test started. I ended up leaving briefly to throw up during one section, so I didn't finish it. I had 2 LG sections - one I felt really good about (finished with time to spare and was confident in my answers) and the other I tanked (answered the first game and felt confident, but guessed on almost all the others). The harder LG was the last section, by which time I was pretty brain dead and flustered from having left during the test to vomit... I just found out from the Feb 17 LSAT discussion board that my bad section was the real one and not the experimental...

Should I cancel my score or wait and see if I scrape a good enough score to apply to back up schools while I wait for the June LSAT? Which would be worse - a canceled score or bad score with an addendum that I was ill on test day?

I had LG(exp)-LR-RC-LG-LR

The first LG section, which is confirmed to be an experimental one, was extremely hard for me, so I had to guess the last 10 questions. Since my goal is to get >170, guessing these questions made me panic and forget to think that this could be an experimental section. As a result, I immediately gave up, only thinking about cancelling the score, and I just stared at the second section for the first 10 minutes or so. However, after I got to myself and started to solve, I realized that this section was easier than I thought, but because I just stared at it for the first 10 minutes, I could not finish about 10 questions. Even worse, I found the rest of the test to be relatively easy (compared to what I have been practicing/solving), and it was too late when I finally realized that the first section could be an experimental section (which is confirmed to be).

I don't know how to end this since I am just writing this down as I think, but I could have achieved my goal today only if I did not immediately give up....

Can someone please confirm that G2 was silver/gold and G3 was the 12-week game? Thanks in advance!

While mapping out my study plans for the LSAT I read somewhere that reading The Economist and the New Republic were good supplementary materials to prep materials. I read both diligently but I saw even more RC improvement once I started incorporating the New Yorker into my study plan. Their articles are very dense and it can be difficult to keep the information straight. Really forces you to concentrate on what you're reading. Another added benefit is their articles run the spectrum of subjects - could be pop culture, politics, history or science. This was tremendously helpful to me and I hope it helps someone else.

This could be anything from the subtle way an assumption is introduced in the stimulus to a misleading QS. I'll give two:

The Bait 'n Switch assumption. Most of the stimulus/premises will be talking about A, but the conclusion is B or AB (overreaching conclusion). https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-33-section-3-question-24/

The Extra Baggage Dual Speaker. Many times when there is a dual speaker, you are asked to consider both speakers to solve the question like "How do they agree or disagree" or "what is Bob's best response". But sometimes, not only is it unecessary to read the second speaker, but it may actually obfuscate your task. In this case they may give you two speakers but ask you to strengthen/weaken the first speaker's argument... no need for the second speaker at all! https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-28-section-3-question-06/

While I am caveating this with the proviso that there is no true replacement for FoolProofing every single Logic Game, the question is still valuable.

Is it possible to attain the general skills you need for ALL logic games by focusing only on the very hardest games? i.e., in mastering only the hardest games, are you in effect mastering all concepts featured in the easier ones? The below are listed on LSAT Blog as the ten hardest games:

PrepTest 23 (October 1997), Game 2 - Applicants being interviewed and hired (Combination: Grouping: Selection and Grouping: Splitting)

PrepTest 24 (December 1997), Game 3 - Juarez and Rosenberg review introductory and advanced textbooks

PrepTest 25 (June 1998), Game 2 - Tourists and Guides (Grouping: Matching)

PrepTest 27 (December 1998), Game 2 - Lizards and snakes in a reptile house (Combination: Linear and Grouping: Matching)

PrepTest 31 (June 2000), Game 2 - Music store's new and used CDs (Grouping: Selection / In and Out)

PrepTest 33 (December 2000), Game 3 - Stones: rubies, sapphires, topazes (Grouping: Selection / In and Out)

PrepTest 34 (June 2001), Game 4 - Randsborough/Souderton Clinics (Grouping: Splitting)

PrepTest 36 (December 2001), Game 3 - Window and aisle seats on a bus (Advanced Linear)

PrepTest 40 (June 2003), Game 3 - Flight connections on Zephyr Airlines: Honolulu, Montreal, Philadelphia, Toronto, Vancouver (Grouping: Mapping)

PrepTest 57 (June 2009), Game 3 - Dinosaurs: iguanadon, lambeosaur, plateosaur, stegosaur, tyrannosaur, ultrasaur, velociraptor and Colors: green, mauve, red, yellow (Combination of Grouping: Selection / In-and-Out and Grouping: Matching)

If I fully mastered these (getting them to well below JY's target time, missing zero, all inferences made from memory), would that suffice for LG mastery?

~xqr

i can't be the only one who can't remember.

I didn't spend much time on RC in previously preparation. I'm aiming at June LSAT. I commonly get incorrect 2-3 per passage. I wonder if I need to do each passage under 8 minutes from the early PTs and timed RC section from PT30. Any advice would be appreciated.

To everyone writing on Saturday let this be your motto! I was granted accommodations and will be writing on Sunday (superbowl Sunday like come on LSAT REALLY), jk I'm really fortunate that they were so accommodating! I wrote in December so for the newbees, make sure you chill out all day tomorrow and mentally prepare yourself, do NOT DO ANYTHING CRAZY! Also need some advice from you guys...should I refrain from checking the forum before Sunday? I know we are allowed to discuss very few things after the exam, but in December I was obsessively checking the thread on Saturday evening and it helped to hear I wasn't the only one who struggled with the games etc. Since I am writing it a day late I don't know if it would be the smartest idea to psych myself out beforehand by reading anything about it. Let me know what you think! WE ARE GOING TO DO AWESOME! It's really not as scary as it seems.

Hi everybody,

I am taking the Feb. 4th LSAT this weekend and had a few questions, and i haven't had a chance to ask anyone else. So, I've heard we are not able to bring much anything into the test room with us, is anyone familiar with what EXACTLY we can bring? Am I to bring a sandwich bag with pencils and erasers in to, thats it?

What is on the ban list that a student normally would take to class with him? For example, can i take my backpack? My cell phone? A calculator (just asking).

Thank you my LSAT fam :)

This may seem like a stupid question :)

My first name is too long to fit in the space available on the LSAT answer sheet (thanks Mom and Dad). To make things more interesting, I do not have a middle name, and my legal first name has a space in it. Everything is correct on the LSAC registration page and my admissions ticket, but looking at the bubble sheet, I realize that my first name won't fit. For same of example, let's say my first name is "John Adams"

Would I bubble in J-O-H-N _ A-D-A and leave a space? Or should I bubble in J-O-H-N-A-D-A-M (and still have a character left off)?

Well, it's that time again. Another test has come around and for many of you, that means it's time for all of this hard work, passion, and ability to pay off. You've dedicated months if not years of your lives to this test and to the opportunities it can lead to. Just remember that your LSAT score won't be earned on Saturday. You've already earned it. It was earned in the curriculum and in the problem sets. It was earned in the dozens of PT's and BR's and group study sessions. It was earned on that one question you thought you'd never understand but that you refused to let go until you saw through it, and it was absolutely earned on endless LG fool-proofing drills. So don't worry about Saturday. You've already proven yourselves. Saturday is not when all this happens, it's just when the process ends. And I know that everyone of you is going to show up and achieve your full potential.

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I know Lawgic is incorporated in the CC in order to gain a full understanding of the the LSATs components. However, I find that trying to use conditional logic to try and solve LR problems actually confuses me and slows me down. I actually understand the problem better when I just read the LR stimulus very carefully, focusing on the indicator words and parsing out conclusions and premises. Is it ok to not worry about conditional logic for LR or am I going to need it when I get to later question types? Thanks!