Hi I was wondering if there was a list that shows for each game how long you should spend on it? JY tells you at times during the core curriculum the max amount of time for a 160/170 score and I was hoping there was a list for all the games so I can gain a solid foundation for when I get to a game during the actual test around how long I should spend on it.

I understand why the correct answer is right, but I'm not so sure about the incorrect answers. If someone can check my reasoning and see if I am correct, I would be so appreciative and grateful!

A) This answer choice discusses luck which was never talked about in the exchange. I also think it is wrong because of the word "rarely" while we know that some farms have positive successful rates which the critic argues against, we don't know the rate of the farms success.

B) The critics do not show that the results would be different if twice the amount of farms were studied; they only say the farms studied were the ones that were amenable to natural methods, the results would be the same because of the farms selected under study

C) This is true except for the fact that the critics show justification for their reasoning (farms that were selected for study)

D) They don't demonstrate that natural methods are not suitable for the majority of farms; they only point out that if a self selecting group is used for a study, then it is not representative of all farms using natural methods

E) captures the flaw, the study is saying natural methods success rates is possible, not that it is representative for all farms

Why is the answer E? I chose A because the 1st paragraph stated, "The problem can be cured by crop rotation, denying the pathogens a suitable host for a period of time."

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-7-section-3-passage-3-passage/

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-7-section-3-passage-3-questions/

Hello,

I have a question about these two choices

1. the argument takes for granted that the higher sales of established products are due to effective advertising

2. the argument confuses a condition necessary for increasing product sales with a condition that will ensure increased sales

So I thought in the stimulusu says

lower sale(This season's sales...)→ill conceived（Thus...）

Then 1. says effective ad→higher sale

So this looks like contrapositive of what the stimulus says

（ill conveived=effective ad）

In 2. I thought it says higer sale→effective ad is actually the correct one, and because the stimulus says lower sale→ill conceived, it confuses the sufficient and necessary.

Why I cannot think this way?

Thanks

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-73-section-2-question-15/

I thought I'd make a thread about possible curves for the exam. What do 7Sagers think?

This might be something really basic to be discussing at this time for someone looking to sit for the LSATs in December, but I gotta ask

How would you guys diagram this conditional sentence: "Unless they find an eye-witness and put the defendant on the stand, they will lose the case."

Please explain. Thanks.

Does anybody know of LR questions that are grouped together by the type of flaw? A group of questions that all contain correlation/causation flaws, circular reasoning, etc. for drilling and BR. I'm trying to get more familiar with the way the flaws are worded in AC. On the harder flaw questions I don't always recognize the flaw or I'm not interpreting the answer choices to be that flaw. The latter is more often. When I prephrase I have the correct flaw but sometimes the answer choices are just worded crazy and I have no clue what they're saying. Also, I noticed someone on a forum indicating the flaw for the wrong answer choices. Anyone do this during the timed PT, or do you do it just during BR? When eliminating AC my thought process is normally, "no, the author doesn't do this," and I just move on rather than indicating what flaw that AC is describing.

I'm still drying my tears after writing last weekend wahhhh. My question moving forward is regarding non prep test logic games and if anyone knows of any good resources? I have done every single prep test logic game section repeatedly and consistently score -1 to -0 with plenty of extra time, however the computer virus game as well as game 4 from the experimental section really messed me up. I think it would be helpful to practice on new "fake" games in order to prevent such a terrible shock to my system next time (even though now all I do is think about all the ways I could have attacked those stupid games).

Thanks!

Hey all,

So yea I'm in this predicament. I've spent a few days in torturous introspection to no avail so lets see what you folks think. I took the test under awful physical conditions to say the least; coughing, sneezing, migraine, light headedness just to name a few of my symptoms (that I'm still dealing with). Had to get up a few times mid section to go spit and blow my nose.....I digress.

I ran out of time on every section (around 5-7 missed in each I'd say) and only got through 2 and a half LG. Oddly enough, I felt pretty confident on almost every question I did answer. Including LG. Mid 160s was my goal but I am all but certain I fell short. Before falling ill, I conceded that I'd retake in December if I came out unconfident. Now I'm faced with the decision of whether or not to cancel. Thoughts?

Hello All,

I am one those people that when in a group chat, I just let everyone talk and occasionally respond with a "yes" or "no." Similarly, I have been doing that here. I've been keeping up with several discussions and the responses, but never post.

However, I think it's time to ask for help. Let me tell you about my dilemma--- started studying for the September 2016 LSAT back in June using the LSAT Trainer and several PT's. While I was able to jump a couple of points from my original score, I am NOT where I should/can be. My last PT was 148 (9/5), and that's when I decided to postpone my exam until December. Since 9/5, I have been drilling LR and most recently on LGs. I purchased the Powerscore LG bible and that's where I saw my LG score increase. It didn't increase tremendously, but something is something. Just got the Powerscore LR bible and will start on that once I feel comfortable with LGs.

I mentioned that I used the LSAT trainer at first, and I will have to say that it did not work for me.

I work a full time job (9-6) Mon-Fri, so I study everyday during the week ~3hours. On the weekends, I spend 4-5 hours studying--drilling LR and LG. Something did not go well the first time around in my studying routine so, I need to make a change and do it FAST. I would greatly appreciate it if someone shed some light on my situation that help me increase my score.

Thank you so much in advance!!

Why is E wrong?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-35-section-1-question-18/

I know for a fact I am not the only one with the LSAT perpetually on the mind. I probably am not the only one obsessively contemplating when Gray Day is coming. Any Guesses??

I am PRAYING it is not October 20th, considering that is my wife's birthday...

Wanted to see if anyone else took the test today and, if so, which was the experimental section?

I had 2 readings. I believe the second had a thing about Freud.

Edit:

Real Reading: Frued-Marx passage, rain forrest one, judicial honesty, and native languages on the radio

Real Games: Restaurant specials, student assignments on class presentations, east or west theater showings, GHFI being interviewed.

Real LR questions, section A:

Gnats and wet climate

Peasants religious activity

Pro and Anti development candidates

Parking rates and restaurants

Ash clouds and lightning

Factory worker injury belts

Real LR, section B:

a question about what a meeting began (6/7) dependent on special committees

one question was about making a moral decision being dependant on another option.

I'm currently contemplating cancelling my score. I received no sleep the night before and could not focus starting out. In addition to that, I had to guess on the last section of LG (5 or 6 questions). My only concern and question is, how do schools view a cancellation? On the other hand, if I keep the score and get lower than expected, will schools average the September and December score or take higher? Any insight would be much appreciated.

Yesterday at the test, my seat was at the first row, which was very close to the invigilator's desk. As the test started, they kept whispering about probably test staff, and flicking over the papers so loud. This was so disturbing and distracting for me, but no one seemed to be bothered by this, so I thought it wouldn't be much problem and just covered my ear and do the questions. I can't believe I didn't ask them to stop or request a change of seat!!! God, I'm so stupid! What was I thinking?!! Those noises ruined my test.. Ahh! I'm so stupid I wanna kill myself! Guys plz don't make the same mistake I made.

I'm not sure between C and E...

I think we can know both of them from the last sentence, because it says "depend". Depend on means correlation right?

Also, I thought the stimulus itself have self-contradiction.

It says "live in neighbourhoods of people from their same economic class" but then it says "people's satisfaction with their incomes depends largely on how favorably their incomes compare with those of their neighbors."

Doesn't it contradict?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-74-section-1-question-22

Hey guys! Here's the official September LSAT Discussion Thread. Please keep all discussions of the September 2016 LSAT here!

Here's some ground rules, taken from my usual sticky:

We know that everyone will be excited to discuss what was on the September '16 LSAT, but mentioning specifics about the test (e.g., "I got B for question 6" or "the 3rd LG was sequencing") can get both us and you in a lot of trouble with LSAC. Saying that the test was hard/easy without going into detail is okay, but anything more specific is not okay. LSAC monitors this forum.

If you're unsure what may be too specific, feel free to PM me with what you'd like to post.

The only exception is you can say which sections were real or experimental. For example, the LG with "flowers" was experimental. That's okay.

TL;DR: PLEASE don't talk specifics about September's LSAT!

Here's where you can see the current Real/Experimental Sections:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/8821/september-2016-lsat-real-experimental-sections-keywords

Have fun discussing!

If anyone saw my posts under BR group PT77, I really tanked that test. But, I learned a lot because I took it without mentally preparing for it when I sat down and more importantly I rushed thru it with conditions similar to being at a SEC football tailgate party in my own home. That day, I had the proctor on and the minute pencils were down - I reset my watch and fast forwarded the proctor to already start the next section. Stupid huh?? Well not so much as it turns out after today.

My experience is not even a blip of Nightmare Test Issues:)

This is a Head's Up reminder that all test sites are different and to PT in all types of conditions!

- We had to stand outside a door until 8:30 am and then were told to use the 1900 era Dairy Queen next door if we had to go to the bathroom before the test started and make sure we were back in line before everyone was checked in when they would close the door. It was really funny to watch everyone crowd around to try to be first in line to go sit at a desk to only sit and wait for everyone else.

- Strict - Our water/beverage containers had to be zipped in the bag before they were inspected. It took almost an hour to check in 14 people...

- We were not allowed to get anything out of our bags or put anything on our desks until everyone was checked in. Then we were allowed to get our pencils, erasers and Kleenex.

- Then we were allowed to get out ONE watch and no one was allowed to wear it on their wrist - it had to be on the table.

- When proctor started reading the initial directions, someone's bag fell over and landed outside the square area under her chair. We had to stop until every bag was completely under each chair.

- I didn't realize until the 5 minute mark was called in the 1st section that the timing assistant would start the electronic timer when the proctor "First Started Reading the Instructions" not when it says you may start Now. We lost almost a minute on every section. Ever heard of a Southern drawl being spoken fast?

- In between the sections, from the time you heard pencils down to when the timer would start was under 15-20 seconds in the 1st half and less than that in the 2nd half.

- 3 proctors for 14 people with a wall of mirrors - visually disturbing but oh well. However, the proctors would walk by each desk, stand over you watching you as you took the test, turn their heads to look you in the eye, take another look at your ID and then look back at you. They continued this round-robin of inspection throughout the test. I just ignored them after the first time but it was very unsettling.

- Our break was on a strict timer in the test room with thankfully a bathroom and only a few people. When the break ended, we began section 4 in under a minute.

- *** This is what really got me - when the proctor started the directions - she told us to "pull out the answer sheet" that we had placed marking the end of Section 3 and the beginning of Section 4 for the break. Next thing we knew the timer was on and we were flipping thru our test books to find section 4 with all 3 proctors hovering over us to make sure we didn't look ahead to Section 5.

- Between Section 4&5 I couldn't even reset a 180 watch before we started. There was a clock but it was across the room and no way to see what time it was when we started. Section 4 was my hardest LR and I really just wanted to catch a breath. Stupid me to not take the precious seconds to go ahead and reset it but I was admittedly flustered.

So were the proctors wrong? No... It was up to me to be prepared for anything and this was nothing in the grand scheme of Test Center debacles.

I was beating myself up on PT77 and was almost so discouraged that I thought long and hard about withdrawing. But I kept at it and regained enough confidence to take it today. Did I crush it - No, not so much. Did I crash and burn - Not as far as I can tell. Did I panic yes, but I was able to reel it in to continue the best I could.

All and all - a great experience thanks to tanking PT77 and other testing situations that helped me stay composed and focused on the reason I was sitting in that chair:)

If someone could help me out on this one I am completely lost.

I know you can eliminate A and B and they both talk about what proportion of part time/full time employees quit before the policy was introduced and we only have information about what happened after the new policy was introduced.

I guess I need help in understanding answer choices C-E. I thought C was the correct answer because if more new full time employees are hired, then the conclusion does not follow from the premises. If more new full time employees are hired then it could be the same amount quitting in their first year even with the percentage 1/3 full time.

I'm not a mathematician, so I could be totally off. If someone could help me I would be most appreciative.

Hey guys,

So I took the test today and I totally messed up the logic games section --- I ended up guessing on the last five questions. I think I did okay everywhere else, I may have guessed on a few reading comp. questions and one logical reasoning, but not a disaster like the logical reasoning. I was really hoping for at least a 165 to get into my top choice school... should I cancel my score?

I left out of the testing center feeling good about the exam. Now I'm second guessing my performance. I know it's too late now. But I think I feel into the E trap answer that I was warned about. Than again I'm not sure. 10/20 huh? Im sure to lose a few pounds.

So I work on this question. It takes "otherwise" as indicator for bicondition. I wonder which course JY mention about "otherwise"

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-26-section-3-question-22/

Hi fellow 7Sagers, while commenting on the September Discussion, I would be thankful if someone can explain to me why answer choice C is wrong and E is right. It would be great if you could explain to me what exactly CPUE mean in the context of the question

i would like some understanding for the strengthening/weakening question types. if an answer choice contain "some/most/many/few" or similar, should i presume that the answer choice would be more likely wrong than right? i was thinking it would lean towards being wrong because since those are not "all" or "none", they allow for outliers.

also, if the conclusion of the stimulus explicitly says "All x..." or "No y..." would "some/most/many/few/etc." answer choices lean more towards being right than wrong?

any help would be appreciated!

Please note that the information below will change to reflect the information we get! Contribute if you can via the official September 2016 LSAT discussion (linked at the bottom of this thread) without going into too much detail. If you think something is wrong or should be added, please post in the thread and let me know.

Real Sections:

LG:

-Computer Viruses

-Park Rangers

-Teaching Assistants

-Neighborhood Deliveries

RC:

-Lacquer Artist/Architect

-Muscles/Muscle Memory/Body Building

-Select Performance/Contract Violations

-Native Americans/Woodlands/Clearing a Forest

LR:

-Caterpillars/Linoleric Acid

-ACME Bank/Corporation

-Lab Animals

-Children Breaking Windows/Responsibility

-City Changing Signs/Waste of Money

-Parents Singing to Children

-Misunderstanding the Meaning of a Word

-Chess Software

-Engineering/Physics/Chemistry

-Alzeimers

-Substance Build-up/Extinct Bear

-Taiwan/Austroasian Languages

-Electric Toll Roads

-Artists Combining Qualities

-Anti-Biotics and Penicillin

-Socioculturalist/Telephones, Television & Mass Media

-Neanderthals Smoking Meat

-Baby Monkeys Imitating Scientists

Experimental Sections:

LG:

RC:

-Multiverse/Big Bang

-Aliens

-Ancient Civilization Viewed as Unremarkable

-Operationalism

LR:

-Loggerhead Turtles

-Global Trade/Political Power

-Toddlers Learning Morality/Puppets

-Password Technology

-Plastic Floating in Ocean

-Yogurt/Being Healthy

-Healing Properties of Blue Lake/River

UNCONFIRMED:

If you can confirm that these are real / experimental, please do so by PMing me or posting in the main thread.

LG:

RC:

-Physicists and Operationalism

-Folk Psychology

LR

-Dirt Bike Sand Commercials/Advertisers

-Sand Termites/Fairy Circle

This thread is closed for discussion. Official post September LSAT discussion here:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/8820/official-september-lsat-discussion-thread