Hey guys,

I just wanted to get your opinion on different law school admissions consultants. I want to get help with the whole application process, but I don't want to spend thousands of dollars. Does anyone know of any companies that charge reasonable prices for assistance with portions of the application process or even the entire app process?

Thanks

This is a X-post from R/LSAT so any reddit users here you may have seen this already.

Last night I had a nightmare about the LSAT. I was taking the actual test and really had to go to the bathroom, (nightmare enough). I got up to go to the restroom, and on the way back I got lost in the halls. I started to panic and ask people for directions. They only responded with logical flaws.

"I'm sorry but you are confusing your sufficient and necessary statements."

"You equivocated the term restroom"

It felt like I was actually in hell. Then I woke up and now find it funny.

So 7sage, what LSAT dreams/nightmares have you experienced?

Hey all,

How crazy strict is LSAC with the photos? Does it literally have to fill up every bit of that little square thing?

My photo is a professional headshot but when I uploaded it, it doesn't fill up the square thing.

I am at a standstill, I understand what I am tasked to do with these types of questions but I am still getting quite a few incorrect and Ive been blind reviewing and reviewing the LSAT trainer and I am still not getting them correct, does anyone have any advice on this? I would REALLLLLLLLYYYYYYY appreciate it!!!!!!!

10/10

Genuinely could not have been a better environment. The entire group of test-takers was split into three subgroups (sounds like the start of a logic game). I can't speak to the conditions in the other room, but I assume logistically they were all the same.

Proctors: My room had two proctors. We got started right on time. They were professional, competent, and kind. They had a calming presence, which was much appreciated. One proctor kept time, the other handed out and collected materials. The timing was done perfectly -- consistent 5-minute warnings, and she used a silent digital timer, so I had no worry that we were being shortchanged on the timing.

Facilities: Bathrooms next door. AC was on but not excessive. Lighting was good. There was a clock in the room -- I used an analog watch with a bezel (makes tracking time much easier). There was a water fountain along with vending machines that you are able to access before the exam. My room also had access during the break -- not sure if others did as well.

What kind of room: Typical classroom. Fit 20 or so test takers very comfortably.

Desks: Full desks. Plenty big enough. I practiced using a huge desk and noticed no difference. Not those flimsy retractable chair desks.

Left-handed accommodation: Unclear

Noise levels: I have this theory of social settings that there perpetually exists one person who keeps any given environment from being perfect (e.g. the one person who talks at the movie theater, the one person at the library who talks on the phone during finals week, the one person who coughs throughout an exam (not that I blame them -- but they always exist)). This time...perfect silence. So silent, in fact, at times I felt awkward underlining because I worried it might distract people around me.

Parking: There's a roundabout when you pull into the university. Go into it and take the last right before the exit. You'll see signs. Parking is to the left, and the test is in a building to the right. It's less than a 5 minute walk.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: We get started right away. They split us into three groups at 12:30, and then we started filling out the logistical ovals around 12:35. Think we started Section 1 around 1.

Irregularities or mishaps: 0

Would you take the test here again? I hope I don't have to, but absolutely.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: June 12, 2017

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if you guys had insight as to what I should do. I went to a pretty large public school where, for most of my classes, I had hundreds of people in my class. I had a select few smaller classes with 20-40 people, so I was thinking about asking the professors from those classes. Problem is that I don't have a particularly close relationship with any single one of those professors nor am I sure they even remember me anymore (as it's been several years since I left school). I've heard a lot of people suggest putting together a packet of information to help the professor write the LOR. However, I find it a little weird to pop out of nowhere to ask a professor who may or may not remember me for a LOR. Do you guys think I should still just put together a packet, email the professor or hope for the best? Or should do something like request a coffee chat or check-in lunch etc. before asking for an LOR?

Thanks!!

I have been with 7sage for about 2 1/2 weeks now and am 34 hours through the curriculum. That being said, is there a good time to start applying the 7sage principles to prep tests? I don't want to take prep tests and waste them since I have not conquered all of the material, but at the same time, I want to be applying what I learn.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thank you :)

I am a bit confused as to when I should start using the question bank. I noticed that questions in the Bank are exactly derived from the PTs that are provided. I am wondering if I should use the questions from the question bank in conjunction to the lessons I learn or if I should wait to touch the QB until I start to write the PT which have the same questions?

Something that kept me up last night...my desk for the LSAT on monday was old and had a lot of divots in it and when I was filling out my answer sheet, my pencil slightly broke through the paper on two questions. It was just a little bit-- it wasn't like I completely messed up the entire bubble-- and I made sure to really darken the surrounding area. But I woke up last night worried that a) maybe the scantron wouldn't register those questions and b) I didn't make a mental note about which questions they were so I can't even email/call LSAC to let them know. Does anybody know how scantron grading works and whether this is actually a big deal vs. me being paranoid...

(Edits for additions)

Hey ya'll, I don't know if this will be helpful to anyone, but I am hoping that sharing this will help to reinforce it in my own head. LG is my worst section by far. I started out going -16+ and without any understanding. I read Kims LSAT Trainer and that helped but I was still feeling hopeless. I am now Foolproofing 1-35 and finally feeling a modicum of proficiency. I understand/recognize 99% of the stuff they throw at me. I am like Yoda during BR. But it's not all there under timed conditions yet. Basically, I have this gap between BR and timed. I possess all the ability and knowledge to go -0, but I need to train all this knowledge and ability to work together consistently and reliably when the clock is ticking.

Drawing Best Practices

-Read "with pencil down". Circle/underline key words. Never get burned by mistaking "exactly one" for "at least one".

-Visualize the gameboard before drawing. Difficult games may appear as one thing but actually be another.

-Write/draw neatly and use the space wisely (remain calm. calm writers write neater)

-Keep it as visual/representative as you can. Don't be mechanical at this stage and feel free to modify pieces in their "pool" if it is helpful.

-As you apply rules to a master gb, eliminate those. Before moving on to the questions, consider rearranging the remaining rules so that everything is together (rewriting)

-When splitting, visualize the outcome and leave room for further splits.

-MBT/F: if you have doubt about the right AC, diagram it. Don't get stuck here. Literally ANY world that abides by the rules will give you the correct AC. If you are stuck, skip it and return.

-Don't draw elaborate sub gbs, make them representative, but skeletal.

-If you find an error on the master gb, return to previous questions.

Inferences

-"Not both. A-->/B". "A/B" MUST MUST MUST be written for one of the "out" spaces.

-"Pinching the board" on sequencing games. If you have a boxed item (AB for example) consider the restriction that places on other items. Must leave room for the boxed item.

-"Conditional Sequencing: forced in rule". If there are 2 "out" slots remaining, and you still have to place A-->B-->C, then C must be in.

-"Dual subcategory forced ordering". 2 subcategories and one of them never runs consecutively, maybe a forced ordering (every other).

-"In/Out Contrapositive". Always consider these. Can unlock an entire game.

Strategies

-Slow-->Smooth-->Fast

-Spend extra time with a confusing rule, get it right!

-Take note of possible distributions

-Finish translating the rules, then STOP. Is this game open or restricted? Should it be split? Where are the restrictions or major triggers?

-Focus on restrictions -- always

-When splitting, try to eliminate complicated rules

-Complete "if" questions first

-Trust your gb. Select an AC and move on. Circle and return if need be.

-With new rules, check the AC after each major inference (especially on MBT/F questions)

-MBF = (4) CBT and CBF = (4) MBT

-Wordy AC? Scan them and check the less wordy first.

-Be aware of corresponding wrong AC "mirrors"

-When drawing sub GBs, mark those that break the rules in some way otherwise you might try to use these for future questions

I just took this past June LSAT, and I'm trying to weigh my options. This might be excessively long, so I apologize in advance. Any input would be greatly appreciated!

This June LSAT really killed me. I started off with the LR experimental (which is arguably harder than usual) and then proceeded to the RC (which, like the LR experimental, is considered to be of elevated difficulty--coupled with the fact that RC is my worst section). By that time, my spirits were already crushed and I was feeling very uncertain about my performance. The only section I nailed was LG, which the general consensus is that it was ridiculously easy.

For the past several PTs that I've taken, I have been able to accurately predict my performance. The questions I mark for BR are the ones that I miss. On this test, however, I felt as though I was doubting every other question and had to blindly fill in the last 3-4 questions for each section (except LG) because of poor timing. I've been PTing in the mid 160's thus far.

I also wrote the Feb LSAT and scored a 162. In contrast to this exam, I was only hitting 158's during that prep. I felt pretty bad about that exam too, but it some how turned out significantly better than what was projected from my PTs. Whilst I'd like to hope that the same thing will happen for the June test, the fear of scoring the same (or worse) is terrifying to me. I'll be applying with a 3.92 GPA and am focusing my efforts on the lower T14 schools (Georgetown, Cornell, Northwestern, etc.).

In short, I'm trying to figure out what I should do. Either:

-Cancel my score and stick with my 162

-Cancel my score and try again in September (though I honestly don't know if I have the mental stamina to retake again)

-Keep my score with the hopes of doing better

And if I do keep my second score and it happens to be worse/ the same, how negatively does that impact my application to low T14 schools? Would a 3rd exam make up for it?

Thanks!

I understand the diversity course gives socioeconomic + early respond ability which I have both. However, I am a white, straight male and have been told by pretty much everyone that I am not diverse and would have nothing to in that department. TLS for instance is universally negative, and to be honest most adcomms have given lukewarm responses at best. Is it better if I don't do it even if I think it would add to the diversity, or is it really just race/sexuality?

By the wrath of the old gods and the new, they actually did it. Little did I expect when I woke up yesterday to be most psychologically traumatized not by Reading Comp or Logic Games, but by the blasted writing sample.

Using the writing sample to have us write about whether a brother of the Night's Watch should be allowed to renege on his vows -- a sick, treacherous ploy by those above us to erode our confidence in the protective blanket the Watch provides the realm.

Mark my words my brothers and sisters, there is a darkness in this world, more cold and tormenting than even the four-hour exam by the name of LSAT. Winter is coming, with or without the Watch. Without the brothers on the Wall, however, along with Winter so too will come an unending shadow, shrouding our hearts in unspeakable darkness.

To those who argued that oath-breakers should be forgiven (or, gods forbid, encouraged), may the Seven protect you from what is yet to come, and may I remind you of the words that each brother of the Watch swears, with both men and gods as his witness:

"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children, discuss any specifics about the June 2017 LSAT. I shall wear no digital watches and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the #2 non-mechanical pencil in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this exam and all the exams to come."

Did you argue against the Watch? I welcome any traitors to out themselves below.

The efficiency last week was awesome. I think the google form worked greatly to streamline the process and cut down on wasted time contemplating which questions to cover. The only thing I'd like to see improve is the number of people who are actually contributing on the calls. I just want to remind you all that at some point these will stop being public and the open door policy will cease to exist. If you want to stick around you have to contribute and pull your own weight. There has been 4-7 (regular) individuals talking so far and 15+ on the call. If you vote for a question for review, I want you available to discuss it.

Question review form : https://zach191.typeform.com/to/tHraGa

Also worth noting - I am including the experimental section in the poll. We will review the experimental section at the end of the call if anyone wishes to stick around for it.

###Test Details:

PT: 51

Experimental Section: RC from PT56

(I recommend inserting the experimental in between sections 2 and 3, or 3 and 4)

Date: Sunday, June 18th

Time: 7:00pm Eastern / 6:00pm Central / 4:00pm Pacific

For our full PT schedule please see the following link : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NqvbW4p83dpFmihrUOeWf6Dx8ETo25rLE1q1nPzOrpg/edit?usp=sharing

Notes:

###GoToMeeting Details:

September '17 Sunday Study Group

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So i am 13 PTs into foolproofing and i am noticing that i am solid with sequencing but i am having a hard time with grouping games, both in out and multiple groups. So i was considering drilling those extensively and then going back to drilling chronologically. I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to make a list of specifically fundamental in out and grouping games that they found to help them nail down the methodology and send it my way. Thanks in advance

Hey guys! Here's the official June LSAT Discussion Thread. Please keep all discussions of the June 2017 LSAT here!

Here's some ground rules, taken from my usual sticky:

We know that everyone will be excited to discuss what was on the June '17 LSAT, but mentioning specifics about the test (e.g., "I got B for question 6" or "the 3rd LG was sequencing") can get both us and you in a lot of trouble with LSAC. Saying that the test was hard/easy without going into detail is okay, but anything more specific is not okay. LSAC monitors this forum.

If you're unsure what may be too specific, feel free to PM me with what you'd like to post.

The only exception is you can say which sections were real or experimental. For example, the LG with "flowers" was experimental. That's okay.

TL;DR: PLEASE don't talk specifics about June's LSAT!

Here's where you can see the current Real/Experimental Sections:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/11428/june-2017-lsat-real-experimental-sections-keywords

Have fun discussing!

I just took my third take yesterday and quite disappointed in my performance. I was pting within my goal of mid-160s. After my second take of 154, I decided to access my strengths and weaknesses and do drill sets accordingly. I fool proofed the LG Bundle, revisited the CC and drilled by question type with PTing and BRing once a week. However, I have this condition where my neck gets excessively tight and I just lose focus. I've had a spinal tap done and multiple ct scans but no diagnosis. This happens sporadically and unfortunately it happened Sunday morning and I just didn't want to take the test come Monday but I did anyways. I failed to pace myself, missed whole bunch of questions in LR, and missed a passage in the RC. LG was easy but I could have finished in half the time if my neck didn't tighten up. I even forgot to reset my watch on two sections. I don't think I'm eligible for accommodations nor do I even want them but would a fourth try be even worth the attached stigma.

Hi all!

So I need some clarifications...! Please help!

Contrapositive for "some" doesn't exist because it's reversible.

A (-s-) /B (Some A are not B) = /B (-s-)A (Some not B are A)

Right?

Then why do we have contrapositive for "if and only if" even though it's reversible? A (-) B = /A (-) /B

I know that A (-) B = A -> B + B -> A, so the contrapositive has to be /B -> /A + /A -> /B.

So my questions are as follows:

(1) Since the reasoning proves that contrapositive exists, does that mean that "Contrapositive for "some" doesn't exist because it's reversible" is wrong?

(2) When I am taking the contrapositive A (-) B (= A -> B AND B -> A), I say /A (-) /B because /B -> /A AND /A -> /B. In this case, why don't I change And to Or? I know I did the contrapositive, but I am starting to get confused...!

Thank you so much in advance!!!

Hey guys!

I'm finding that I'm still having trouble really intuitively knowing when my job in Parallel Method of Reasoning q's is to mirror the lawgic/structure of the argument, and when we're being asked to carry that train of thought/conclusion/principle into the answer choices (please don't say it's always about structure; maybe I'm not articulating what I mean correctly, but it's defintily 100% the case (after watching many many of JY's videos) that we're asked to carry the salient claim/reasoning into our selection of answer choice. (Ie. PT17.s2.q24 from Problem Set 3; or PT28.s3.q26 also from set 3).

The second q stem reads "which one of the following arguments is most similar in it's reasoning to the argument above?" Both answer choices seem to emphasize an especially strong match with part of the argument, not just a simple structural match...but the stems don't really do all that much to tell us that.

But after going through the practice sets in the curriculum, I can't seem to accurately/quickly distinguish whether paralleling the pattern of reasoning will refer to finding a parallel conclusion, or more broadly, overall parallel structure.

So sorry if this post sounds beyond confusing--I realize my attempt to articulate my struggle isn't great--but I'm just a little surprised that (if this issue really does exist, and I'm not just creating problems....happens) that it's not distinguished/discussed in the curriculum "as a thing".

N.

Hey, guys! I'm starting to work on my app process and I wondering if I should or how to write a DS? I was recently diagnosed with a cognitive disability. I haven't been in school since 07 so I haven't really had to deal with it in a learning setting but def at work and everyday situations. I also didn't have the issue until after I completed undergrad. Can or how can I write a DS statement if I haven't had to deal with the issue in a learning setting? Or, am I not looking at it the right way? Also, do you think that DS around learning disabilities hint that the writer may have received accommodations? I know we don't really know, but do you think this would help or hurt? Any suggestions are welcomed! TIA

First off....kudos to everyone who took yesterday's exam!!!! I was right there in the hick of it with you all! My question is not regarding the actual exam, but a complaint about the eating site. I have researched and I see that two options are given usually. They usually let you retake for free (I doubt I would need to do that) or they allow you to release your score with an addendum. Does anyone know if you can know what your score is and decide what you want to do beforehand or will they just make you choose the options without knowing your score?

Thanks,

~M

Did this RC section seem exceptionally hard to anyone else besides me?

Hey everyone!

I just got through the CC and am moving on to fool proofing the games. I am hoping to foolproof about 3-4 games per day depending on difficulty using the @pacifico method. As of right now, I am sorting the LG's into a binder and was wondering how you ended up sorting it. I'm conflicted on whether or not to sort them chronologically and foolproof them in that order; or if I should sort them by category/difficulty in order to cement in pattern recognition.

What do you guys think?

Hi everyone, as a person who doesn't speak English as a mother tongue, I would like to ask one very basic question of how to interpret certain sentence(I think it is a grammar question..)

"The colonials and the English had differing interpretations of the language and institutional structures that they shared"

In this case, it seems to me that it could be interpreted in two different ways

Is the only solution to look at the context to understand in right manner? or is there a rule to understand this kind of sentence structure?

Thanks in advance!

I've been working through the Cambridge LR Flaw pkg and I've noticed that a good amount of the correct AC are E. Now before anyone jumps, I wouldn't go as far as to say choose E when in doubt on the question type. There are 284 questions in the pkg and E has been the correct AC enough for me to notice. Pretty useless info here but if I remember I'll give an exact number when I'm done. I believe the questions are from PT 1-38. I wonder if they say something like, "we'll go with E for flaws, C for MSS, A for MBT..." when determining which letter to select for the AC?? Again, this is pretty useless info and why did I hone in on it anyway?? Leave it up to me to be extra! LOL :)