I am taking my first LSAT in December, but I am leaving open the possibility of pushing it back to Feb if my PT are not where I want them to be. If I do decide to take the Dec test, should I submit my applications as early as possible with no score, and ask for them to be held until my score becomes available? Or should I wait until I have a score and apply later? My biggest concern with submitting without a score is with applications to schools where my GPA is a little below average, but where I think I will be able to achieve an average or above LSAT score with more time. I am worried about what impact it will have if I end up scoring lower than anticipated.

For example:

My UG GPA is a 3.55

Current PT average is a 160, my goal is 165+ and my biggest weakness is LG which I know will improve with drills and practice.

Some schools I'd like to apply to have 3.6/3.7 GPA averages, and 165-168 LSAT averages. I have been out of school for 3 years, have a solid work resume and letters of recommendation.

Any thoughts on this? I'm feeling like every piece of this is so uncertain since I don't have a real score yet! If I am rejected this round from those reach schools, and decide to wait, take the LSAT again, and apply again the following year, does anyone know how a rejection will impact my chances of getting in the following year?

Hi guys, I am taking this Sep LSAT and it's so soon now!

I studied LSAT 3 years ago, took 2013 October(157) and December LSAT(162) and I felt I was at the rock bottom.

Didn't have the courage to take another one so I stopped.

After that I went to a grad school, did some internship, time has passed, thought I should give myself another chance.

I studied from January trying to get back to the shape and it has been quite pleasant.

From march to June I couldn't study much due to the school works and from July I have been studying full-time.

On average I got 168-170 on my PTs, even had a feeling I finally got LR. (avrg. -2/section)

But with the pt 70 and 76, I felt quite awful, suddenly it all seemed so above my reach.

With less than two weeks, I am just trying to do drilling by section, trying not to choke on it.

Is this burn-out or am I just not ready for it?

Any advice?

Thank you in advance and wish all the good luck for those who are taking this September one!

Hi Folks,

So I'm currently in that fun period where I've finished the curriculum and have been working my way through 3-4 months worth of prep tests. I've found the analytics are really helpful in determining where I'm lacking. I'm trying to determine how you make the best of that information. I work full-time so I don't have as much time as a student might, but I attempt to take 3 prep tests a week. I do my BR, go through my missed questions at that point, and then try to shore up my weaknesses. I don't have unlimited time- so determining how to make those weaknesses less soft is what I focus on.

How do others do this? Do you review old curriculum and drill? I've been reviewing in the curriculum on my weak points and running through a few drills, but I find my lackluster performance in these same weak areas goes mostly unchanged with the next prep test. Is there a specific way I need to approach addressing these weaknesses?

Also another factor is I take awhile to BR. For example, Games are really really hard for me. And despite the extensive games curriculum with this course I find I still only get to two games in a test so my BR is basically me redoing half of the games section. When I BR I often times can figure the other games out if I sit down and work through it without JY's video, It just might take an hour or two to get through it all. So for areas like that where I am struggling- I know the curriculum, I've drilled games before (because all games are the same right?) but I know that I'm weak in something like In/Out Seq games, or something like that. How do you go about addressing those weaknesses for yourself? Do you have a different method for LR or other sections? My Flaw/Method Reasoning questions are my biggest weakness and I review the curriculum and drill those but find that the performance is unchanged.

Any help that can be provided is most appreciated, thank you.

Hey there,

I'm set to take September, and at this point postponing isn't an option. I've been studying for a while and PTing under simulated conditions for around 3 weeks now. I've hit sort of a plateau it seems around 166 and just wondering how to push through to break that 170 mark or even if that's possible between now and the September test? I was going consistent -0 on games for a while then hit a slump for some reason started getting -4, now back to a good -1/-0 range but it seems when my games are good my RC slips. I've been able on individual timed sections test to get -2 in LR and -3 in RC so it seems it's a matter of putting it all together, but I'm just struggling in getting to that point. Any input/advice would be greatly appreciated. Timing does seem to be a hurdle sometimes depending on which questions I get stuck on and still trying to figure out how to get better at skipping.

Thanks in advance!!

I've been studying since February and have recently managed to get into the missing 0-2 category for RC and for LG. Those sections make sense to me and I feel confidant in them. Despite my best efforts in LR, I keep missing the hard ones! I'm typically missing anywhere from 6-10 questions. My timing has gotten pretty good, I usually have a minute left or finish with just enough time. I need to amp up my study of these difficult stimulus passages for the next two weeks. . . . or I need to just keep taking tests and blind review every single LR question despite my confidence? Looking for suggestions, commiseration, different ways of thinking about this. Thanks in advance!

I started filling out applications this week and noticed that Columbia requires a professional LOR for anyone who graduated before 2015 (I graduated in May of 2014). The LORs I secured at the beginning of the year are both from old professors. I immediately reached out to my previous supervisor of 2 years (not my current employer -- for obvious reasons) and asked for a last minute LOR. He happily agreed to write one and I know that he will write a positive recommendation; however, I have never seen him write in any capacity (he's a brilliant data guy -- not necessarily a wordsmith). I will be waiving my right to read the letter, so I'm a bit nervous. Does anyone have any advice as to what I should pass along to him in order to help him write the best LOR he can, we're both clueless about what admissions is looking for in a professional recommendation from a field that isn't particularly relevant to the law. Are there certain characteristics in data analysis/cost forecasting that he can expound upon that would be seen as a bonus to my application? Anyone been in a similar situation? Thanks.

Hi guys, I was wondering if you could input a section into lsat analytics instead of the whole preptest. I wanted to take an LR section and see my breakdown.

I was recently given advice on how to do Reading Comp and the instructor said to first glance over the questions and get a general idea of what the questions are going to ask (i.e look for key phrases/words that are specifically ask about). This process is supposed take no longer than a minute and it is supposed to be "whatever jumped out at you and stuck as you glanced over the questions in that minute." After which, you would continue your normal RC process (but now when those words pop up as you read the passage, you'll have more awareness as to their importance.)

I can't recall if this method was specifically endorsed or discouraged on 7sage, so I thought I would ask the community.

I was wondering what your guys' sleep schedules are like gearing up for the September exam? Im planning to go for 9 or 10pm to 5am.

Can anyone with the logic games bundle tell me the specific layout?

I was lucky enough to get the Cambridge Packets pdfs and PTs all in PDF form before the ban. However, I wanted to build my own "bundle" using my PDFs.

Were they arranged by difficulty/type ? Or were they literally just the game sections from PTs 1-35 in order?

Thank you in advance :)

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I am taking the December LSAT. I have no idea what I'll get, as my PT's range from 152 to 165. Should I wait until after I get my score to start filling out all of the applications on LSAC? I just don't know what schools I will get into. It ALL depends on my lsat score...I have 4.0 GPA and am confident I have an interesting enough life for a decent p-statement.

I'm struggling with this section to the point where my scores have gotten worse and I'm just unsure how to even approach it. Does anyone have any recommendations for drilling passages or sections or any advice? please be as specific as possible!! it will be very appreciated

This asks to weaken the geologist's argument. I cannot wrap my head around why D is the correct answer. Someone please help!

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-74-section-1-question-23/

Hey everyone,

So I am beginning my 5th year at the University of Guelph, in the Honours Program for Sociology. I would say as of the beginning of 3rd year, I decided that I really did want to go to Law School, and from there my grades increased substantially as I got really serious and I also figured out what studying techniques, etc., worked best for me. With this, I have been reading through the different discussion forums and had noticed that people had been mentioning whether they were on the lower end for their GPA, while other were mentioning they had a decent GPA. So my question for everyone, especially those who may have already have experience with the Law School application/LSAT process, what would you/they consider to be a lower GPA and a decent GPA?

Also! I've also been noticing that people mentioned L2 & B2 (what does this mean?)

When I decided that I wanted to go to Law School I did not do a ton of researching for all of these details because I wanted my concentration to be solely on continuing a trend of increasing my grades. So this is why I have such questions!

Thanks so much! :) & Good luck to everyone!

http://www.humansofnewyork.com/post/150127870371/i-was-taking-a-law-school-admissions-test-in-a

The conclusion here is that "crying must have the effect of reducing emotional stress".

The first time I read the stimulus I thought the flaw/gap here was; we are not sure that crying itself decreases stress, maybe the hormones causes the person to cry to reduce stress.

So I chose "C", because I assumed the answer choice stated: that the stimulus failed to address if the hormones led to decrease of stress by crying, or crying led to the decrease of stress by removing hormones.

Isn't that another legitimate flaw here?

I could see how "E" is right, how the argument confused that hormones might be the cause of the stress, rather than a response to stress...but that was way out of my radar.

How do I make sure I don't make these mistakes again?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-68-section-2-question-24

Yep, it has hit me again. I've seen my last two PTs sink below my average and I'm starting to get negative thoughts about game day. I want to take 4 more PTs and BR before the 24th. Should I just take off two days? I get super guilty if I take a couple of days off but I think I really need it.

Any advice is greatly appreciated!

Those who have taken pt-73 as a timed test, how did you score in its LR compared to other 70s tests?

This question was fairly confusing.

We know from the premises that humor is important for comedy. C says that comedies should find their humor in stylistic portrayals.

So stylistic portrayals are very relevant and important for the comedy film Quirks, because that is where comedy is expected to find humor. Thus, criticizing Quirks for being non-realistic is wrong.

D doesn't counter the argument's conclusion that the criticism of film for not being realistic is wrong. D can not be seen as justifying the conclusion because though it says the film is successful, it doesn't mean that criticism of the film for not being realistic is not valid. A film could be successful and still deserving of criticism for not being realistic.

why is C not the best choice?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-73-section-2-question-06/

I usually finish answering all the questions in the nick of time or have to skip a couple of them.

My current strategy is to first skip all the parallel method of reasoning, parallel flaw, or long principle questions, (regardless, not even assessing the difficulty) then attempt them all at the end. Thus, the skipped (guessed) questions usually end up being those questions.

Do you think it’s a good strategy or should I make a change? I will appreciate your thoughts/experience!

I was just wondering based upon the question stem, how can you tell if they want to to find the sufficient vs. the necessary assumption and vice versa.

I'm currently creating the hardest LSAT ever, I have searched for the hardest game questions, and the hardest Reading Comp questions, now I need help with the hardest LR questions, there are too many of them and im trying to keep them in a large range so please send me suggestions and I'll build the test. its a good challenge hope people like it.

Is there a disadvantage to applying to law school in January?

Hey guys,

I just upgraded from the starter to premium. I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm almost certain now that i will be writing in December instead of September. Mainly because I haven't done any recent practice tests. I've only gotten to PT 39 (timed). The premium goes up to PT 58. My main question is when should i start doing recent preptests? I have the rest of September, October and November to study and I'm not sure how to proceed considering I only have explanations for up to PT58 on 7sage and have no experience with more recent tests! Thanks in advance!

I cannot seem to understand this for the various ways unless can appear in a sentence. I have been told to replace the unless with if not but also that the statement thats connected to the unless is the necessary condition. How can it be made an if not (making it sufficient) and also be necessary? Here are a couple of various ways I have seen unless in sentences: Unless I get a good grade, I will not go out; No student can go out unless they get a 4.0. To my understanding, you diagram these as follows:

If go out>>> got good grade

If student got 4.0, then they can go out

I gather these from sort of thinking about the relationship but I want a simple short cut to use. Any ideas?