I just took the September LSAT. I do not think I hit my target, and will probably be gearing up for a retake come December. However, can I start the application process without having to submit my September score?

How does this work?

was wondering if anyone had any ideas as to what the difference is usually between the overall curve for the sabbath observer test and the saturday one, if any? Sabbath observer tests are disclosed so hard to tell but if anyone has any estimates about how many they got wrong and what score they ended up getting, or how they did on practice tests vs. the day of if it was a monday test?

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Hi everyone! I'm planning on taking the LSAT for the first time this December, and really am hoping to make that my one shot. I have been studying on and off (but mostly on) since February, using The LSAT Trainer and the various Powerscore Bibles + Workbooks, and I took many, many practice tests as well without blind reviewing them. Obviously, I now know from 7Sage that I shouldn't have done the last part. So, I'm fully familiar with the various types of LR problems, and am pretty good on the types of games. 7Sage is supplementing my preexisting knowledge of the LSAT.

My question is, for those of you who studied a lot using other methods/materials and varying schedules before starting 7Sage, how did you adjust to the new schedule? Are there specific sections or methods that 7Sage does best that you'd recommend focusing on? I'm worried because I just started the 7Sage course and while the lessons are useful, I feel like I'm not going to make any progress if I just watch the videos, especially given that the test is not that far away. I also feel worried not doing full timed practice problem sets, which are obviously one of the best ways to improve.

I am thinking of studying with 7Sage videos on my weak areas (games, specific types of LR problems, etc.) and using the Manhattan LSAT to drill problems by type, in addition to taking 1-2 PTs a week. Is it okay if I just skim or even skip some of the lessons if I'm already fully confident with the material?

Help me out here. Thanks :)

I have been solidly going through all the LSAT games and working on them. Generally, for the older weird games, I've been skipping them. However, as has been the case, I'm worried the LSAT is beginning to bring in more of the odd and weird games out. I looked at the Sept. LSAT discussion thread and saw something about a "Computer Virus" game which people found really difficult. Not sure if it was because it was just a ridiculously difficult game or it was such an odd format people were caught off guard. I'm worried I should be now spending a lot more time focusing on the weird old games than I originally thought.

By weird games, I mean ones that use spacial reasoning or sort of odd scenarios. The chemical experiment one from LSAT 12 or the last game in LSAT 13 are good examples of what I mean by "odd."

Thoughts?

Yesterday at the test, my seat was at the first row, which was very close to the invigilator's desk. As the test started, they kept whispering about probably test staff, and flicking over the papers so loud. This was so disturbing and distracting for me, but no one seemed to be bothered by this, so I thought it wouldn't be much problem and just covered my ear and do the questions. I can't believe I didn't ask them to stop or request a change of seat!!! God, I'm so stupid! What was I thinking?!! Those noises ruined my test.. Ahh! I'm so stupid I wanna kill myself! Guys plz don't make the same mistake I made.

I can't find the link to BR Calendar for the online study groups Wednesday evenings. Does anyone have the link? I'd like to do the PT that's scheduled this week

Hello! Just took the LSAT in Asia in and I had LR-LG-LR-RC-LR! The only questions I can remember clearly are about digital/paper mail, ancient masks made in Mexico, and detectives piecing together clues like crossword puzzles. I'm trying to figure out which questions came from which section! If you remember any others/what section they're from that would be super helpful!

On another note, my games section had a round table, and something about supervising art installations. My RC was women's rights, common law, chaos theory and athletics as art. THANKS!

So, for some background. I took the June test and did well but not the score I was looking for. I was planning on taking the test yesterday and the realized I wasn't done with my 7Sage course and wanted to be more consistent because I don't want to take it more than twice. I am curious if this has happened to anyone else. I seem to score higher on older tests (in the PT mid 50s and 60s). I know friends felt that yesterday's test was harder than the June test. Do we think maybe the LSAT test themselves are actually getting more difficult over time? I felt like I did much better on those older tests. I did score around the same when I took the June test again after the fact. I don't know though...thoughts anyone??

Hey Everyone!

I know there is a thread that has all the tutors on there, but I was wondering how up-to date it was? I know a lot of the tutors must be in law school by now, and I was wondering if they are still offering their tutoring services, or if new ones will be added?

I'm prepping for the December LSAT and would really like a tutor to help me with my weaknesses in LR (I have a list), and In-Out games in LG. And idk if tutoring in RC is even possible, but I know I need all of the help in the world for that section too lol

Thanks!

Anybody here took the LSAT yesterday at Brooklyn College?

I had 4 proctors and they were running around the front of the room and whispering to each other very loudly. In fact 3 of them were talking while the timekeeper was reading the instructions. The absolute lack of respect was appalling. I raised my hand hoping to let them know that the talking is very distracting, but they were so busy talking that not one of them saw me raising my hand (I was wearing a bright orange sweater). After I wasted a good minute or two trying to get their attention, I gave up.

Oh and they tried to give us the wrong (4-digit) test center code. I saved the day by pointing out that it is a 5-digit code which is on out ticket. But how is it that 4 proctors don't even have the correct information???

I had to leave and cancel my score because I completely lost focus on that RC section and with 10 mins left I only completed 1 passage, which is not how I have been performing at all. This would have been my third and final take so I am extremely disheartened. Even if I am allowed to take the test again in Dec, I wouldn't be able to apply early in the cycle in Oct, which was my intention.

I am drafting my formal complaint to LSAC and hoping to get another chance. Hoping to find others who were there that could support my claim.

I'm not sure between C and E...

I think we can know both of them from the last sentence, because it says "depend". Depend on means correlation right?

Also, I thought the stimulus itself have self-contradiction.

It says "live in neighbourhoods of people from their same economic class" but then it says "people's satisfaction with their incomes depends largely on how favorably their incomes compare with those of their neighbors."

Doesn't it contradict?

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So my proctor today said that LSAC had informed her that LSAT was going digital for the next June test. Said it could possibly be on a tablet. Also said they might allow a paper option for anyone who'd taken a previous paper test.

So, there's that.

Hey guys! Here's the official September LSAT Discussion Thread. Please keep all discussions of the September 2016 LSAT here!

Here's some ground rules, taken from my usual sticky:

We know that everyone will be excited to discuss what was on the September '16 LSAT, but mentioning specifics about the test (e.g., "I got B for question 6" or "the 3rd LG was sequencing") can get both us and you in a lot of trouble with LSAC. Saying that the test was hard/easy without going into detail is okay, but anything more specific is not okay. LSAC monitors this forum.

If you're unsure what may be too specific, feel free to PM me with what you'd like to post.

The only exception is you can say which sections were real or experimental. For example, the LG with "flowers" was experimental. That's okay.

TL;DR: PLEASE don't talk specifics about September's LSAT!

Here's where you can see the current Real/Experimental Sections:

https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/8821/september-2016-lsat-real-experimental-sections-keywords

Have fun discussing!

My score is on the decline. I have not been able to study as much since fall undergrad semester started, and my score just keeps going down every week. I do not have time to BR and re-do the CC due to undergrad classes / being a parent. If you had to choose between spending more time blind reviewing, or spending time reviewing the lessons.... which would you choose? I'm taking the December test.

P.S. My declining test scores,I have blind reviewed all but the last one:

August16th, PT 78...157

August 21st, PT 37... 152

August 28th, PT 38... 154

Sept 3rd, PT 55... 151

Sept 12th, PT 60.... 151

Sept 18th, PT 59.... 145 !!

Sept 25th, PT 58... 146 !!

Rosenberg cannot evaluate any introductory textbook until Juarez has evaluated that textbook? I would have guessed it would have been "until" so group three, so you negate sufficient so it would be R (intro book)--> J (intro book) but it is actually J intro book -> R intro book. Could someone please explain this?

So I just took the September LSAT and have no idea how I did. But I'm sure I didn't get my target score (169) so do I wait for scores and then start studying again for December or continue studying now? Something just won't click with LR and I've heard of people taking breaks and coming back and it clicks so just wondering what to do here.

So...how did it go??? you guys have my utmost respect for sticking through this! I hope you all scored where you wanted and you kick butt in the Law School of your dreams :D

Would there be a long line during the rest time?

Thanks.

Just wondering...

Hey, I just started the curriculum, is there a way to print out the Logical reasoning questions within the lessons? For example, JY goes over labeling and I would like to actually practice that by printing out the question instead of just seeing it on my computer screen. I don't have all the LSAT prep tests yet.

Thanks.

If anyone saw my posts under BR group PT77, I really tanked that test. But, I learned a lot because I took it without mentally preparing for it when I sat down and more importantly I rushed thru it with conditions similar to being at a SEC football tailgate party in my own home. That day, I had the proctor on and the minute pencils were down - I reset my watch and fast forwarded the proctor to already start the next section. Stupid huh?? Well not so much as it turns out after today.

My experience is not even a blip of Nightmare Test Issues:)

This is a Head's Up reminder that all test sites are different and to PT in all types of conditions!

- We had to stand outside a door until 8:30 am and then were told to use the 1900 era Dairy Queen next door if we had to go to the bathroom before the test started and make sure we were back in line before everyone was checked in when they would close the door. It was really funny to watch everyone crowd around to try to be first in line to go sit at a desk to only sit and wait for everyone else.

- Strict - Our water/beverage containers had to be zipped in the bag before they were inspected. It took almost an hour to check in 14 people...

- We were not allowed to get anything out of our bags or put anything on our desks until everyone was checked in. Then we were allowed to get our pencils, erasers and Kleenex.

- Then we were allowed to get out ONE watch and no one was allowed to wear it on their wrist - it had to be on the table.

- When proctor started reading the initial directions, someone's bag fell over and landed outside the square area under her chair. We had to stop until every bag was completely under each chair.

- I didn't realize until the 5 minute mark was called in the 1st section that the timing assistant would start the electronic timer when the proctor "First Started Reading the Instructions" not when it says you may start Now. We lost almost a minute on every section. Ever heard of a Southern drawl being spoken fast?

- In between the sections, from the time you heard pencils down to when the timer would start was under 15-20 seconds in the 1st half and less than that in the 2nd half.

- 3 proctors for 14 people with a wall of mirrors - visually disturbing but oh well. However, the proctors would walk by each desk, stand over you watching you as you took the test, turn their heads to look you in the eye, take another look at your ID and then look back at you. They continued this round-robin of inspection throughout the test. I just ignored them after the first time but it was very unsettling.

- Our break was on a strict timer in the test room with thankfully a bathroom and only a few people. When the break ended, we began section 4 in under a minute.

- *** This is what really got me - when the proctor started the directions - she told us to "pull out the answer sheet" that we had placed marking the end of Section 3 and the beginning of Section 4 for the break. Next thing we knew the timer was on and we were flipping thru our test books to find section 4 with all 3 proctors hovering over us to make sure we didn't look ahead to Section 5.

- Between Section 4&5 I couldn't even reset a 180 watch before we started. There was a clock but it was across the room and no way to see what time it was when we started. Section 4 was my hardest LR and I really just wanted to catch a breath. Stupid me to not take the precious seconds to go ahead and reset it but I was admittedly flustered.

So were the proctors wrong? No... It was up to me to be prepared for anything and this was nothing in the grand scheme of Test Center debacles.

I was beating myself up on PT77 and was almost so discouraged that I thought long and hard about withdrawing. But I kept at it and regained enough confidence to take it today. Did I crush it - No, not so much. Did I crash and burn - Not as far as I can tell. Did I panic yes, but I was able to reel it in to continue the best I could.

All and all - a great experience thanks to tanking PT77 and other testing situations that helped me stay composed and focused on the reason I was sitting in that chair:)

Summary: The perfect test center, at least this time around. To anyone in Cincinnati, Columbus, or even Indianapolis, or in any surrounding areas, I highly suggest you consider taking the test here. The university is situated in a town with a population of a few thousand, and the university itself has a student body of a few thousand. The campus is thus relatively small and quiet, and the building used as the test center is on the quiet end (the very end) of campus. I'm biased because the university is my alma mater, but the 2.5 hour drive to get there was more than worth it.

Setting Pros: The rooms were large, and with only maybe 15 test takers, we were all placed far apart from one another. There are no desks in the entire building, only long tables. The room we were in had especially long ones, which curved around the class and were divided into two sections, with a walkway in between them. The room was quiet with little to no background noise, lighting was good, and the entire building was absent anyone aside from test takers and the proctors. The bathrooms are ten seconds away from the testing room, and parking is free and more than plentiful. Parking spaces can be found on the side and back of the building, and the parking lot is immediately adjacent to the building. Chairs are padded and have nice backs to them, and given that I deal with chronic back pain, I'd like to think my perspective on the chairs is a telling one, haha. The inn is a two-minute drive from the testing center, and the drive is down the town's main road. The inn itself is nice - not many breakfast options, but I brought my own breakfast. During off times, 90-100% of the people staying at the inn are in their 60s, and the inn was thus very, very quiet.

Setting Cons: Usually, the rooms in the building have really good air conditioning, though it was noticeably warm on test day. This may have been the result of the recent heat wave that had just come in. I was wearing pants and a buttoned-down shirt and was fine enough, though I tend to get cold more than warm when indoors.

The building used for the testing center is a bit tucked away, though that's hardly saying much given the small size of the campus. I knew how to get there, of course, so I can only guess the degree of difficulty finding the building. I saw a few handmade signs that read "LSAT" along the town's main road and in campus, but I only noticed them after the test.

There's only one small inn in town, and it will be booked well in advance should there be any big events on campus. I was able to get a room a month out, though I don't think they had many rooms available. All other hotels are at least twenty minutes out, if not farther.

Proctor Pros: Both proctors were practically perfect. I heard them quickly and quietly whisper to one another three times during the entire test, and even then, it was basically undetectable. Time was held to a tee. The proctors were nice, patient, and not overbearing. I had a proctor walk by me maybe two or three times during the test.

Proctor Cons: The proctors quietly whispered a total of maybe ten words to each other the entire test.

If someone could help me out on this one I am completely lost.

I know you can eliminate A and B and they both talk about what proportion of part time/full time employees quit before the policy was introduced and we only have information about what happened after the new policy was introduced.

I guess I need help in understanding answer choices C-E. I thought C was the correct answer because if more new full time employees are hired, then the conclusion does not follow from the premises. If more new full time employees are hired then it could be the same amount quitting in their first year even with the percentage 1/3 full time.

I'm not a mathematician, so I could be totally off. If someone could help me I would be most appreciative.

Hey guys,

So I took the test today and I totally messed up the logic games section --- I ended up guessing on the last five questions. I think I did okay everywhere else, I may have guessed on a few reading comp. questions and one logical reasoning, but not a disaster like the logical reasoning. I was really hoping for at least a 165 to get into my top choice school... should I cancel my score?