Ok question on this. Lets say we have "if A then no B unless C". According to JY we can diagram as follows:

A-->(B-->C)

we pull the first term in the parentheses out and make the arrow an and to yield:

resulting statement 1: A and B --> C

or we could have diagrammed the original statement as

A--> (~C-->~B)

pulling the first term out and adding an and yields:

resulting statement 2: A and ~C --> ~B

I was expecting resulting statements 1 and 2 to be logically equivalent but they are not. Can anyone clarify why this is not the case? I would imagine this affects one's chances of correctly answering a question with an embedded conditional.

did anyone else find pt 74 harder than pt 73? i just finished taking it, and i feel like such a loser. My score from 73 to 74 was a MAJOR decline. the test is tomorrow and i felt so confident, but now i just feel useless. any advice? thanks!

I purchased 74 and I cannot find where to access it. I clicked on Course, Discussion, Resources, and my profile. It has to be somewhere.... ughhh

I'm scared to spend so much time on the deductions of the sketch or to make additional options. It makes sense to me but I feel like I would take too much time. How do you know when it's ok to make a few sketches?

Hey everyone!

I noticed that a lot of folks are using the Manhattan LR book as an additional study guide. I am wondering if the Manhattan RC and LG books are are also worth purchasing. Thoughts?

Is the consensus that Manhattan Prep is best for LR, Cambridge bundles are good for LR drilling and the Trainer is best for LG and RC?

Are there any additional bundles [worth] purchasing for LG and RC? Would it be Cambridge?

I want to purchase additional material but I'm not sure which books/bundles to get. I am interested in knowing what others experiences have been with these materials.

Thanks!

I've been practicing LSAT since June 2014. I went through all 7sage materials besides Logical Game Bundles in the end of August. Then I spent 3 months going through all Logical Game Bundles. During that months, all I did was logic game and reading the Economist. After Logical Game Bundle is over, I started Prep Test right away. I think you all know the result. It was awful. After 7 prep tests, the highest score I get is 152. Then I realized something went wrong. I stopped prep test. In the winter, I bought old LSAT and kept doing untimed Logical Reasoning. Gladly, I could get roughly more than 20 right, sometimes even 22, or 23. Recently, I started doing timed section and Blind Review. I gave myself 45 minutes at first. Then, I gradually reduced my time to 40 minutes. However, I could only get 16 questions right without blind review. Even with blind review, I can only get roughly 19 or 20 questions right. I am a good student. I got 3.8 GPA in UNH. After I transfer to Fordham University in my junior year, I am having 3.9 GPA. I am contributing at least 3.5 hours per day for LSAT. But the result broke my heart again. I am sorry for typing so much. But any advice will be appreciated. Thank you. I am an international student from China. English is my second language.

Hi guys,

I'm currently working through the NA questions and I am having a hard time understanding the concepts with bridging and blocking. I know that NA questions help strengthen an argument by a little. Barely. But somehow I feel that I need to weaken the argument when I get to the answer choices. I think I'm actually confusing the whole negate the correct answer choice process, right? Could someone better explain this to me?

Hey everyone -- you've all been such awesome buddies as 7Sagers I thought I'd recommend something from my personal LSAT experience -- take headache meds or whatever you might need along those lines with you on test day.

In September I had a cold as I flew into Florida the day before the LSAT from where I live in Costa Rica and thanks to the pressure changes during the flight my cold erupted and I developed the most awful sinus headache during the LSAT and had no meds on me. So this time I'm flying into Florida tomorrow - a day earlier - in case anything needs to settle, and I'll have meds on me on test day just in case. Hopefully most of you are very local to a LSAT center but I thought I'd mention this in case it might be a useful heads up to someone!

Any other tips to share?

Best wishes to all you fellow hard workers and dreamers for Saturday! I'm really going to miss the 7Sage camaraderie.

Does anyone know if we're allowed to bring a thermos into the test if it fits into the gallon sized bag? I usually am drinking coffee all day, and am worried about crashing mid test if I don't have any for the break.

Hi,

My current goal is to apply for law school this December/January. I'm currently a band director at a middle/high school. My schedule is very fluid, and I have no way of setting as strict of a schedule as I'd like this time of the year for preparation. My question is this: should I begin studying now and not have that strict of a schedule, or wait until school gets out so I have a better and more consistent schedule? I don't know if starting earlier outweighs that of starting later with a more consistent schedule. Any thoughts?

Hello,

Me again with my questions on drilling. I know that generally speaking the LR sections get more difficult as you go along. Based off this information, I have determined that I am generally missing more difficult questions. The ones I'm missing or struggling with are questions that originally appeared as questions 19-26. I've determined that my problem mostly on these questions is that they have a more complex logical structure or simply a more complex topic/language. I bought a set of one question type of the Cambridge packets but I realize I need to invest in the rest of them. My initial thinking was to start with difficult questions and work down. But after I did a 13 question set last night and the only ones I got right were ones I had attempted before recently and I remembered the answer. Confidence killer. I think now that I need to work from the beginning and work my way up to more difficult questions. I think also a stronger understanding of the 7Sage Logic Curriculum will help. Does anyone have any other ideas about this problem?

Does neither nor go to either or? For example, if A then neither B nor C. Is the contrapositive if B or C then A slash?

Anyone else having issues with Firefox? IE works, so I'll live, but I prefer Firefox. I'm not able to view the courses or tests. Forums and the study schedule seem to be fine. I just can't do any coursework on it or Firefox will freeze and crash. I tried clearing cookies, to no avail.

I was just wondering how many total timed preptests (under simulated testing conditions) you all advise doing before sitting down for the actual test? Any insight would be super helpful!

I've finally gotten comfortable doing timed sections in LR, LG and in RC but I've been doing them separately and am really hoping I can maintain the scores I'm getting in all of those when doing them back to back. Is it typical to notice a bit of a drop when doing them all at once?

Thanks in advance!

Anyone in the low country looking for a study buddy? I'd really like someone in the area to blind review some PT's and just keep motivation up.

I was wondering why when I have a new inbox message it does not let me click on it. Instead it prompts me to a page that says,

"Whoops!

You don't have permission to do that."

I feel like I'm starting to burn out, and with such a short amount of time between now and the test I'm not sure what the best option is.

I wanted to take a PT a day, but I'm afraid ill loose my edge come game day.

Anyone advice/similar feelings? People say at this point in the game you have learned all you can before the test anyway, however I'm not sure if building stamina should be the priority here, or rest or what.

Opinions greatly appreciated!

Not sure about you all but reading that book as a kid confirmed my "naive"/"idealist" goals. So excited for her sequel, the announcement legitimately made me pumped for Saturday. Good luck everyone, getting one step closer to your goals!

Hey Guys, i woke up this morning and had a cool realization that i thought i'd share... So far i've been studying for about 4 months, planning on taking the February exam, with intentions to also take the June exam because i'm still not averaging where i want to be. But as these months have passed by so quickly i've come to realize that this test is indicative of most journeys people take in life towards success. The thing about success is that it isn’t linear. I'm sure some of you already have come to that lesson when finding out that your score doesn't increase per week or per month based on a set amount of studying. Instead i feel like how it really works is getting rid of your ego, eliminating doubt and doing the tedious hard work necessary that will add an invisible .01% everyday. You may not be able to see the results or progress, but it will eventually add up and result in the huge gains. That's why i believe focusing on enjoying the process (instead of solely focusing on the score increases) as much as possible is something that helps prevent that feeling of frustration when you hit a plateau.

Practicing and improving your reasoning skills through drilling and PTs is only part of the process too. Check your ego at the door and embrace the mistakes you make as well. Your ability to look at mistakes as learning lessons and use them to do deep thorough review of both why the wrong answer is wrong and why your reasoning skills led you to that decision is crucial. It's one of the reasons why i'm so grateful for finding 7sage and learning about Blind review. I remember before i found out about 7sage i would be drilling and checking answers, then getting frustrated at myself for the questions i got wrong, and that would end up blinding me from truly reviewing to figure out why.

I feel like thats why some people aren't able to increase their scores. They just get frustrated and give up because they aren't seeing the result they want, while repeating the same identical process over and over again. You need to learn from these mistakes, and realize that the process will take however long it takes, and trust that you will get there. It could be 3 months, it could be 6 months, it could even be a year. It's all up to you. Also it's important to realize that this test isn't the end all be all either. There is much more work to come in law school, and even more work as an attorney. So, how bad do you want it?

For those of you that are taking the February exam this Saturday, i wish you good luck and am excited for what the future holds.

Side Note... whenever i begin to freak out and have anxiety about this test, now i just think of this guy = http://imgur.com/gallery/OFL3N0F and all of it fades away lol

This is a big thank you to 7sage and hopefully an inspiration to people writing their LSATs... 1.5 years ago when I gave my first LSAT practice exam... the famous 2007 PT that is available for free as prep material, I got a measly 153 that could easily have been a 147. I was in despair because I wanted to get a JD from one of the coveted T14 schools that I had heard so much about in my own country and I literally had no idea as to how to prepare for this test... nada... zilch... zero!!! My dream.. well let's just say that the chances of it materializing didn't seem promising ;) . After working with 7sage for that time, tutoring a couple of sessions with Jon and giving the LSAT twice (last December and this December), I received a score that has secured me entry to GULC (just got the letter on Friday and am still pinching myself to see if I wake up) and my 'dream' of making it to a T14 has finally come true. but I would like to thank 7sage for making this possible. Note to fellow 7sagers: People... you might feel frustrated while prepping... there were days when I certainly did.... scores might drop at times only to rise up again... mine certainly did... but at the end if you put in the work with JY's & Jon's methods.. the result likely be the best score you can achieve. All the best to the Feb test takers!!!

I want to buy Powerscore LR bible from amazon. Anyone else used this book and liked it or have any other recommendations? I am terrible at LR because I read like a turtle and I feel like I still don't understand it even though I understand the fundamentals. I find RC to be easier, and LG is just LG lol

Well it is almost time for February takers to step up and jump into the actual test. This is the last week so be sure to remember that while prepping, this isn't the time to make up for slacking last week or to "finish strong" with 3 PT's and intensive drilling. Get you normal prep in, take one or 2(I wouldn't do 1 after Wed imo) more PT's (I personally would throw in a retake) and take a day off. As much as one would feel this is not the time to take a day off... it is. You don't wanna go hard up until D-day and then not have that zing to kill it on Saturday. Pick between Thursday and Friday, take one completely off, and the other some light work (maybe section of each w/ review) Think of sports, you don't see athletes train as hard as they can up until game day, they Taper into it

Good Luck everyone!

Hello all,

I started studying for the LSAT a long time ago and took a few PTs back in August. I was wondering if it would be worthwhile to retake them as I likely won't remember most of the questions. I will only use this as a last resort in the event that I exhaust all current PTs that I have now. Does anyone have any experience with retaking old ones?

Thanks!

Hey guys! I've been meaning to ask if anyone could help me better understand this concept. I think I understand it but when I'm under timed conditions this skips right over my head. It's like I don't even notice it being causation or correlation until I reach the answer choices, sometimes. So does anyone have a better approach? I have taken notes about this section but it still seems to go over my head. I've also watched that section 3 times lol maybe a 4th time will actually work lol.

Hi all!

I was wondering what your thoughts are on RC passage selection. I'm averaging 1-2 (more often 2) wrong per passage under timed conditions and as a result am going to aim for getting 3.5 passages done.

I've been told to attack the easiest passage (depending on the topic that speaks to you) first and to avoid doing the passages with the most questions because they tend to be more difficult. That way, you're picking up all of the easier points and then coming back to the harder passage and hoping scratching out a couple of marks. The only problem with this is that I hate leaving two 8 question games until the end. I will be okay with a score of 17-18 in RC...it has slowly become the bane of my existence.

Any one else have a similar strategy or method they'd like to share?