Hey! I'm thinking about starting July1st studying for the October write. I already bought the LSAT Trainer and was wondering whether I should do the 7sage premium course after I read the LSAT Trainer, or read the LSAT Trainer after 7sage.

Also what are your thoughts on LG, I heard 7sage is enough for LG so should I skip the LSAT Trainer section on LG to prevent confusion?

I am having a difficult time figuring out how to negate a sentence that is comprised of both "most" and "conditional statements."

For example, if one says, "most people who study at least 5 hours a day for LSAT will get 180," how can we negate this?

Thank you guys!

I'm a little over a month into studying after first starting with the lsat trainer (50% completed) and basic 7sage course (30%) completed. I'm confused as to what my focus should be on right now with an anticipated test date of Oct 2015. What additional materials should I buy for drilling...and when exactly does that come into play following the 7sage syllabus?

While going through the lessons, I've started to find a fond sense of enjoyment in hearing the comical remarks JY makes for many of the outrageously wrong answer choices on the LSAT. Feel free to post anything that made you laugh. Also by no means is this thread restricted to only the remarks made for wrong answer choices.

Took the June lsat and waiting on scores. Anyone have advice/good links as far as where to start with preparing for fall admissions? What should I be doing right now application wise?

I mostly bought the Trainer for some new perspectives on LR, and considered skipping the LG portions all together since I have been doing really well with 7Sage's style and was worried that learning another would mess me up. I ended up starting the LG sections in the Trainer and have actually found them to be a pretty good complement to the methodologies of 7Sage so far. For example, the use of shapes and vertical lists of the elements are two things that I found off putting at first but after working with them a bit I definitely see the value there.

So my question is, for any of the 7Sage/Trainer devotees, what did you like best about each methodology and what have you picked from each to forge your own approach. Do any of @nicole.hopkins , @emli1000 , @blah170blah or anyone else have some insights on this that they would like to share? Thanks in advance!

So just took June 07' exam and disaster is an understatement. I'm 40% of the way through the curriculum and I was expecting to hit 160+ on this considering I've put in a good amount of study time. This was my 3rd practice test (took two diagnostics earlier and scored in the low 150's) and I'm really disappointed with the outcome. To give you an analogy, I felt like a rookie QB making his first start in the NFL. Things were happening so quickly and I couldn't get myself to answer the questions effectively and efficiently.

Here's my breakdown: LG: -6(guessed on 5 questions, one of which I got right) LR-13 (skipped 5 questions) and RC- -6. Total:158

On the bright side I managed to get a 174 after BR: LG-0 LR-5 RC-0.

I have two concerns and I'd really appreciate any input/advice:

1) That I don't have enough time from now until Oct to hit 167+. 3.5 months seems like a short time to make this jump.

2) That I'm just not quick enough to achieve a 167+ score. On all 3 exams I've had to skip a considerable amount of questions, and I can't imagine getting any quicker. Completing all questions within 35 min is really difficult for me.

How many practice tests did it take you guys to get comfortable with the LSAT? Were you hitting your target score after, say, 3-4 practice exams? I've read that the biggest jumps in scores should be taking place within your first few practice tests.

Sorry for rambling, but the LSAT is constantly making me apprehensive. I have a really good GPA and it's the only thing holding me back at this point from attending a T-14. Any help, advice, input, or stories from your prep experience would be extremely helpful. Thanks 7sagers.

I had to take a small break from LSAT Prep and 7sage due to a serious family emergency but now I have decided to resume studying. When I had been previously studying, the PDFs were on the verge of disappearing so I decided last minute to upgrade from Premium to Ultimate and quickly download all the PDFs/PTs onto a flash drive. Now that I have returned, I have been having some difficulty navigating through the new 7sage layout and I'm fairly confused despite going through several discussion threads. I have some questions that maybe some of you could answer:

1.) Are there no more video explanations or answers to the PDFs that I downloaded? I can't find any answers or explanations but I have all these PDFs. I'm pretty sure I remember reading that the video explanations were not going to disappear but I can't seem to find them.

2.) What was the total number of PDFs/PTs available to "ultimate package" students prior to the PDFs being removed? I just wanted to make sure that I downloaded them all.

3.) Should I ignore the new problem sets that have been posted and stick to solving the ones in my old PDFs? Is there some benefit to sticking with one or the other? Should I be doing both old and new?

4.)The "percentage completed" is no longer accurate now because of the old PDFs being removed, correct?

5.) Why are the new problem sets fairly easy as compared to the old PDFs?

I apologize for bombarding everyone with all my questions but I feel lost and off track due to the break I took and the major changes in the structure of 7sage. I hope someone can help clarify these for me, that would be greatly appreciated. I would also find it really beneficial if someone who has all the old PDFs and has access to the new problem sets could elaborate on their study methods for going through the problem sets. Thank you!

I just saw that there was a new video that showed a very good student working through an LSAT logic game in real time, with JY providing color commentary. (could you imagine a TV channel that did nothing but this?). http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-35-section-3-game-4/#comment-30736.

I also remember seeing @"Jonathan Wang" doing an LR section in real time (25 questions in 25 minutes no less--- bows and incants “we’re not worthy!!” over and over again) on the boards, but I can’t find it anymore.

I think there are even more out there, but I’m having trouble finding them. Is there a way we can organize finding these videos in an easier fashion? I guess this is more of a question for LSAT Forum guru and all-aroung awesome guy, @"Dillon A. Wright”

I’m at a place now where I really understand much of the LSAT. I just don’t have the most efficient process to execute the LSAT in the time allotted. I think watching people knock it out of the park could really help.

Hey everyone,

So in roughly 2 days I should be done the core curriculum ultimate course. As I've been going along with the course I've bought the huge LR packet for LR, which has all the questions for every question type, like weakening, main point, NA etc.

While I've been doing the massive packets I've been putting every .pdf I've completed into the completed folder, and I was assuming once I'm done the 7Sage course I'll probably be done them all.

So unfortunately I have 4 .pdfs leftover. The first one is called Complete the Passage, (which one of the following most logically completes the paragraph, they have a big ____ in the stimulus). There's only 19 of these Questions so I'm not too concerned, I'll just apply the skills I learned from LR to do them.

Second one is also just 16 questions labelled evaluate, and the question stems say stuff like which one of the following would be most relevant in evaluating the conclusion of blahblah. Again not super concerned.

The third one is Paradox questions, and I've seen that term thrown about here in the forums too. There's 126 questions, and I don't see 7Sage having any lessons for them which kind of worries me.

The last one is called Principle (Identify), note that this is not the same as Principle (Apply) questions. I did those questions already, and they related to the lessons that 7Sage provides on principle questions. But these principle identify questions seem a little different, so I'm not sure how to approach them, maybe the same way I approach principle apply questions?

Sorry for the lengthy post but I really needed some feedback! I know lots of people here complement the Cambridge packets, so I thought it might help other people as well.

Also I'm guessing I'll most likely just have to use the skills I learned in LR from the other questions and apply them to these question types, but I'm hoping maybe 7Sage has some examples, especially for the Paradox questions.

I need more space for the games!

This is a NA question, and I when I was doing this question I read answer choice D), and I immediately crossed it off even though when I kept reading it seemed correct, simply because it said "network television news reports" instead of PROGRAMS.

Anyone else kind of frustrated with this question?

Maybe JY explained it, not sure as I'm not completely done the NA old problem sets.

I have the Ultimate Package. When I log in and press continue on the dashboard, it shows one set of problems for "Strengthening Problem Set 1" but when I go to the syllabus and scroll down to the same link, it shows less problems and it just looks different. Wondering if there is something wrong.

Confession: I am a free user, mooching off of this discussion forum.

I am going through the The LSAT Trainer and once I finish, I'll take 3 diagnostics. From there I will most likely go through the Power Score books in all of the sections I am missing more than 3-5 in. Finally, I will get a private tutor for 10-15 hours to help me identify specifically what I struggle with (either question types or time) and how to attack it (accepting offers for tutoring hah).

Questions:

1. Recently, I saw in a thread someone mention doing the Trainer with 7sages program. Do they compliment each other well? Can someone tell me if 7sage is worth investing in considering I already brought all these other books before I found out about 7sage? I am already on the fence considering the explanations of each PT may prove to be invaluable.

2. What Cambridge books should I get? (links appreciated) I only just saw these in a thread 5 minutes ago. Are they for helping with time. Tell me more about these please.

3. (Kind of dumb) I haven't started studying reading comprehension, but no one anywhere seems to be that concerned with it even though its 50% of the test. Is it really that much easier than the others?

Thanks and 180s for all!

Howdy, folks—

It's week 3 and it's hot in Texas. Let's blast these PT's with some AC (Aggressive Collaboration ... though air conditioning will also be on!).

Wednesday, June 24th at 8pm EST: PT49

It's our last PT in the 40's and contains that infamous Maize RC passage. Let's make those kernels pop.

Friday, June 26th at 8pm EST: PT68

For those of us who want to be able to retake and/or drill from tests up to PT71, we will have Friday sessions to BR those later tests. This is likely to be a smaller group but open to anyone.

Note on the Friday group: If you want to join, let me know on Skype (nikkers625) and I will add you to this one—all are welcome, some are willing. Most are trying to make valid inferences and/or diagramming these sentences in their heads right now. #so-meta

LSATurday, June 27th at 8pm EST: PT50

Finally made our way to the 50's.

Note on all groups

What have people found to be the most efficient way of studying. I am almost done with my 7Sage lessons, and wondering how I should continue my studies. I have all the prep tests out there, and all the Cambridge question specific drill packets. The only drilling I have done is the drilling at the end of each section the 7sage course provides. I am registered for the December Administration, and want to utilize the 5 months that I have to drill and PT in the most efficient way possible. I am not looking to get good at this test, I am looking to achieve close to perfection, if not perfection itself. I want to know what you guys have done to dominate this test. What techniques you used to drill, PT, and overall to get really good at this test.

I'm just now starting to do logic games, and it is completely foreign to me. My question: Do we not write on our master game board with inferences and rules annotated on it? Sorry, if it seems like a silly question; I am just super confused.

I'm prepping for the exam with a friend who has a pretty serious chronic illness. He has applied to get 25% extra time on the LSAT. Although I think that, given his illness, he deserves the added time, I'm confused whether that extra time can be of significant help. If he's approved, he'll get 8 extra minutes per section.

I haven't taken the exam yet but I understand that time constraint is one of the biggest challenge that the exam entails. However, I also believe that if you're not familiar with the exam by test day, those 8 extra minutes will never be enough. Him and I had a mini argument on this topic.

What're your thoughts on this? Especially the folks who have taken this dreadful exam previously.

Rule: "J will arrive after M or before N, but not both"

Correct translation: N and M arrive before J or they both arrive after J.

(N- J) (J-N)

or

(M- J) (J-M)

Question: Why can't the translation be (N - J - M)?

Here J is neither after M nor before N.

Hey 7Sagers, had a few users a bit confused about the difference between trivial & non-trivial inferences on this lesson:

http://classic.7sage.com/lesson/quiz-on-drawing-valid-conclusions-2/#comment-30714

Think you guys can shed some light?

@captainoats @linette.m

I'm about to start the PTing portion of my study.

I've also just purchased the Cambridge LR bundle that covers all question types for the section. What's the best way to use it? PT, discover my weaknesses and then incorporate the drilling into my refresher study from the core curriculum and Trainer?

Any advice welcomed!

Hi everyone, I just took the June LSAT. Currently, I trying to write my personal statement while waiting for the LSAT results. English is my second language (born in South America), so creating strong sentences to express my thoughts becomes challenging sometimes. I would like to know, what you guys are doing concerning advising and editing (your essays). Do you guys know any services that can assist you in this writing process?

Hey,

So I have recently started out the 7sage curriculum. My biggest weakness in the past was Logic Games so I have really been focusing on the LG curriculum and making good strides. I feel as if my PTs will be essentially wasted if I take them without fully going through all of the LG curriculum. My RC and LR are not bad, I just want to improve on my LG score for the time being. Therefore, I was planning on knocking out the rest of the LG curriculum before I start taking PTs for the October LSAT. I hope to be done by the end of June with the LG curriculum and then begin taking PTs along with drilling RC and LR through the 7sage curriculum through July, August, and September.

Do you guys have thoughts on this approach/have others used a similar approach and been successful?

Any input would be much appreciated.

Thanks!

This question might strike some as odd. If it does, I apologize in advance. I'm having a problem carving a block out of any day for a full length timed test. What are the draw backs, aside from not subjecting myself to the mental anguish of sitting there for 4 hours, of taking the sections individually under the same strict timed conditions? I understand the importance of taking timed tests, but I also have to juggle everything else as well. Is it more important to keep the tests for the days that I can complete it undisturbed or to actually complete timed sections each day and take full length practice tests every now and then? My fear is not doing enough timed sections by limiting myself to only taking full length tests. I'm interested in hearing opinions from others that might be in the same boat and from those that are "LSAT deities." Some teachers, such as Nathan Fox, believe there is nothing wrong with completing PT's in this manner as long as full length PT happen every once in a while for acclimation to the full test. To provide a background on myself, I have been through the curriculum twice, The Trainer once and have completed 8 post PT 36 tests in a mixture of the methods questioned above.

@amanda_kw

@nicole.hopkins

@ddakjiking

@Pacifico

@"Nilesh S"

@emli1000

Ok so am I the only pretty little law geek that finds these questions tough? Lol I'm not bad at LR overall but these questions trip me up quite often. Any advice? I know eventually if I keep doing them I will get better but I am interested to know if anyone uses a different strategy or notices a characteristic about these that distinguishes them from other flaw questions and makes them a little easier to solve. I simply identify the argument, find a flaw and attempt to find the answer that strengthens or weakens that bond between the support and conclusion (not always easy to discern even when I understand the argument).