If one has learned all of the valid argument forms, does it make sense to learn the invalid forms? Of course, I could be incorrect, but it seems to be redundant to learn both. Please assist. Thank you.

Hi, all. I just took the 10/3 LSAT. I was expecting to take the test in a particular classroom, Classroom A, that I am very familiar with. The testing center was changed to a new classroom last week, Classroom B. For the test today, though, I was assigned to a completely different room, Classroom C, than the one stated on the ticket I printed last night, albeit it was in the same building. I didn't realize that changing the room on the day of the exam was possible. Is this something I should just expect?

Additionally, the room I took the test in had really small desks. Really small. So small that the proctor even mentioned it. It is entirely my fault that I never once took a test on such a small desk. I don't have consistent access to one and Classroom A and B (where I thought I was taking the test) have large desks. I had a difficult time figuring out where to put my pencils, watch, answer sheet, and eraser. In the middle of the exam, some of my things fell off the desk. I was debating whether I should scramble to retrieve my things... and considering that one of those things was my watch, I went for it...

Do you have any specific advice about how I should position my papers and belongings on a small desk (I'm talking about one of those flip-up desks connected to a chair)? I usually have the practice test booklet laid flat so that I can see both pages-- should I fold the pages back so that I see only one page? That seems like an irrelevant limitation to what the test is supposed to measure. Also, because I did not practice on a small desk beforehand, I had to figure out the best place to put the answer sheet during the exam-- is it better to put it in your lap? Hold it in your non-dominant hand? Place it under the test booklet? I was nervous about putting it under the test booklet because I annotate the test and didn't want pressure to transfer to the Scantron. I'm prone to making Scantron errors so it's important to me that I fill in blocks of answers after every 2 pages or every logic game, but with a small desk, it was a huge waste of time to retrieve the answer sheet from where I had it (non-dominant hand, lap, underneath the booklet) after each of these blocks. Also, I had to hold some of my pencils between my knees under the desk because there was just no space on the desk. This is something I really need to be prepared for and would like serious advice as it is a huge issue for me.

I'm also curious about what your testing center was like. The June test-takers at my school said that the desks they had last time were huge (I know which ones they are talking about).

Not leaving yet!.....but I just finished my 3rd and last LSAT!

I took 3 consecutive sittings Feb-June-Oct of this year and am grateful that 7Sage has been there for the journey. My LG by and large improved the most. On my diagnostic back in July 2014 I got like a 7/23 on LG and I'm 99% confident I got a perfect 23/23 on today's LG.

Now I get to look forward to polishing up my PS and get ready to submit when scores come out.

Hey LSAT preppers - I've been going through the free trial and I really am intrigued. I have a few questions before I decide to move forward:

1) I am currently thinking of signing up for 7Sage to get ready for the Dec. exam (or Feb if I'm not ready by then) and I am a bit confused with the packages. Which one would you recommend for 2-to possibly 4 months of studying? Because when I used the study schedule tool and chose the ultimate package for example, it seems to cram a TON of lessons per week (average time per week was 70 hours).

2) Regarding homework & PTs, how does it work - are they available to print-out in the course or would I have to buy them separately on amazon?

3) I have taken one official LSAT so far and went in with very little preparation (unfortunately due to arrogance honestly) and did not do so well, Logic Games were horrendous for me, so this second try has to be as good as I possibly can do -- I'm a bit unsure of the perfect technique, do I first go through the lessons and then start taking practice tests (and would I do them timed vs un-timed) and how would one know how many PT's to take per week?

4) Any recommended books to supplement with 7Sage (Manhattan, PS, etc)?

Thanks, I know I have a lot of questions but I really need to get a full understanding on all of my concerns before I go ahead.

Thanks.

For the retakers out there.... I think I made a costly error on game 3 (I see I'm not alone there) but anyway I have a feeling I won't be achieving my target score. For those of you in a similar boat, when are you going to kick it back into gear? I had been going pretty hard and was getting pretty tired towards the end and was planning on taking a week off from studying before getting back at it next Monday. Is that too much time off? What're your guys plans of attack going forward?

I just tried logging into my account, "kristymoawad" and it kept saying "error" and then I reset my password and waited the 15 minutes it forced me to wait and it still kept saying "error" and I'm upset because I'm wasting valuable study time trying to figure out why this site isn't working and I also paid for the Starer upgrade so I'm basically super annoyed right now and confused as to why I can't access my account. Can someone please help me?

Hey everyone,

In signing up for the Ultimate 7Sage Course, I read that all of the explanations for the Prep Tests on 7Sage require the student to purchase the official LSAT prep tests themselves. While I was searching for the prep tests, I was unable to locate tests 39-51 which are all covered by the course. Does anyone have any advice on how they overcame this issue? I would love to make the most of the course materials but won't understand much of the test explanations without the actual test to look off of. Thanks!

I don't understand how A casts doubt on the reliability of the method. In my mind, you have to make a ton of dubious assumptions to get it to work. First, so what if pollens are transported to different regions by wind or human movement? Do these cases occur in regions where there are ancient relics? You have to assume this. Second, the word "often" is extremely weak/vague. You have to assume that "often" would cast doubt on the reliability, but isn't "often" just a synonym for "some?" Lastly, and probably the most dubious assumption is that the pollens transported by wind/humans matter. What if these pollens don't stick to relics? What if there are ways to distinguish between pollen that had been blowing in the wind? There are a ton of other things you need to assume about the pollens in answer choice A.

I chose D during the exam and during BR (and I think D is an awful answer), but to get D to work, the only assumption (the only assumption I think you need) is to assume that missing data is data about pollen that has stuck to the relics. However, how is this assumption so terrible that it nullifies the ridiculous assumptions you need to get answer choice A to work? I find this question very frustrating...

I am debating buying an Lsat watch and was just wondering if anyone has any experience with either of the two. Is the 180 watch worth the extra money?

I understand that your BR score is relative to your abilities in answering the questions correctly...but am I wrong to assume that it is possible to actually reach your BR score while under timed conditions?

What have your experiences been?

My most recent PT score (first PT since the diagnostic) was 151, blind review is 172. Do you believe in 2 months time I will be able to achieve such a score while under times conditions? Obviously taking into consideration the time I put into studying from now till then.

Anybody know of a 7sage like or lsat trainer like book or course for the GMAT?

Hello 7Sage!

I have run into a problem. Between Feb 2015 and June 2015 I did every preptest, except for 72, 73, and 74. Since June, in preparation for October, I have already done 72 and 73, and have only 74 left. My problem is that I think that RC is the least-repeatable section on the test, and now I am left with nothing else to practice my RC skills with.

Any advice on anything else that I can use to practice? Is there another test that has similar RC passages? Any nonfiction material? Part of the problem is how distinctively logical LSAT materials are. Even things like The Economist don't feel similar to me.

Thanks!

Fellow 7Sagers, I need some help on proceeding how to move forward with my prep. I just recently finished the curriculum and took June '07 and PT20 as timed PTs. I did thorough BRs on both of them - first June '07 and then PT20. My main concern/issue was how much I actually remembered of the PT20 LR from the curriculum, and honestly felt that this could not possibly be representative of an actual PT. Before any of this, I initially thought to myself "I'm going to PT every single test 1-35 and BR thoroughly and then move forward to 35+," but I realize this would not be conducive, and is probably too rigid of a mindset. I can't possibly take 1-35 as timed PT takes, I need to build stamina AND have material too drill, rather than just doing PT takes.

My strategy moving forward is below, but please feel free to help me alter it. I don't want to touch PT35+ until I have touched and done BR on the PTs below 35. Is this a fair way to approach it?

-Use PT 15-30 to drill timed sections, slowly building up stamina (by increasing section takes) and do a thorough BR on all sections (and obv fool proof LG) -- the reason I thought these would be best for timed drilling is because a lot of this material appears in the curriculum.

-Take 1-14 and 31-35 as timed PTs, and do thorough BR on them (fool proofing LG). This will give me practice on timed tests, after I've built up stamina and done BR on other material.

My issue is: am I trying to be too methodological about this? Should I just drill timed sections, and then move forward with PTing 35+? This is especially relevant to LG -- I want to do a "finish the bundle"-like approach -- maybe I really should just work on fool proofing all games from 1-35 and drilling the other remaining sections on there and then move forward?

I'd love any help/advice!!!

Hi everyone,

I took the October exam on Saturday and felt that it went ok. I'm planning to take Dec regardless to make sure I get a score I'm satisfied with.

I have never used the LSAT Trainer and would like to know what exactly it does well/differently from 7sage? I feel that 7sagers have a good grip on what test materials are good and why. So what are the strengths/weaknesses of the LSAT Trainer?

My biggest struggle sections have become LR and RC.

Thanks!

In understand that the words “for,” “since” and “because” introduce premises with the conclusion following the premise or preceding these words. However, sometimes these words are used in a manner that does not comply to this rule, so I get confused when to apply this concept. Can someone help?

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For people with very tiring workouts, what works for you? I really used to love working out in the morning, but then it's like I've used up a ton of my energy so focusing becomes a bit challenging. Also curious about thoughts on working out the day before a PT.

Can someone please explain this question.

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Hi All :) I've posted a few times and your advice has always been amazing and assuring!

I took the October exam this past Saturday and thought that it went well. I'm sure my experimental (LR) was the second section, so I think I did pretty okay with the rest of the exam.

I was scoring in the mid to high 160s ish before the exam, so I think I might have reached my goal of getting in the 160s. I don't have a specific target score, but I am looking to get as high as possible.

With that said, I'm thinking of signing up for the December exam for two reasons:

1. If I do get in the range I was looking for, I can always take the December exam and try and squeeze out more points. The schools I am applying to take your highest LSAT mark, so I don't see any harm in taking it a third time for that reason.

2. If I don't get in the range I was looking for, I'll have to re-take anyways, and I wouldn't want to set myself back by two weeks. I am taking a few days off though. :)

My question is.... where do I go from here? I have a few clean PTs left. Some in the 60s and some in the 70s that I saved for this reason. I have been through the curriculum 2x already, so I'm not looking to do it a third time, although I will revisit lessons as needed.

My weak areas are NA, SA, PSA, Weaken, and Reading Comprehension.

I have to go back to work full-time now, so I was thinking of taking 2 PTs a week... 1 Saturday and 1 Sunday, and spending the week BRing the exams and working on my weak points. Obviously I only have a few fresh PTs, so I was thinking of starting in the 50s and retaking 50, 51, 52, 53.... ect and save the fresh ones until I get closer to December. Is that a good idea?

How should I help myself in terms of Reading Comprehension?

What would you suggest to help myself fix some of my LR weaknesses?

Thanks a bunch :D

It’s our first full BR Group week! Sing it out loud!!!

Wednesday, Oct 7th at 8PM ET: PT61

Home of the worst carpool in the world.

Friday, Oct 9th at 8PM ET: PT71

Getting down with the 70s

LSATurday, Oct 10th at 8PM ET: PT72

PT 72, a.k.a. “The Kracken”. Who’s my Perseus?

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Hey 7sagers, long-time lurker, first-time poster. Always appreciated the honest feedback and support I see on this site.

Long story short: I took the test for the second time on Saturday after getting just below 170 on my first take. I nailed the experimental LG but took too long on game 2 of the real LG and it threw off the rest of the section; I remember having to straight up guess on ~1-4 questions and "educated guess" (down to a couple answer choices) on ~3-5. My memory's honestly super vague on exactly what happened. It sucks because I legitimately thought I killed the rest of the test.

My question: what do I do? I'm aiming for a 175+ and after all the practice I did, I was very confident going in (was scoring around there on PTs and killing LG). It's my second take, so the serious options seem to be keep -> see what I get -> retake a third time if necessary, or cancel -> retake a third time. I'm just not sure which option looks better / is better, and still a little foggy-headed from what happened.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Has anyone had an issue with the 180 Watch resetting too early? This happened to me during Saturday's administration of the test. After it reached 30 minutes, i.e. in the final 5 minutes when I needed it most, it reset back to 0 and stopped. I had a backup watch packed so it wasn't a big issue but it did distract me a bit in the first two sections.

My watch was always been a little finicky. I'm really hoping it's a matter of calibration and that I won't have to replace it. Please let me know if you have had a similar issue.

Hello J.Y.,

I want to start by saying that you are absolutely amazing. Your methods for solving logic games are the most efficient out of any class/tutors that I'v encountered, your logical reasoning techniques are unmatched, and you have a great method to attack reading comp while most LSAT prep out there hardly even mentions it (implicating that your reading comp score is what it is). That being said, I just recently took the October LSAT. I purchased your prep course about 4 months before the test and was only able to complete about 70% of it, I really did do the best I possibly could. However, I actually went into the test feeling rather confident about my abilities, I had scored in the high 150s to low 160s on some previous prep tests but for some reason I would have a lingering prep test here and there that I would absolutely bomb, horribly. Im talking like scoring 15 or so points lower than my average score. So although I was scoring decently high on practice tests prior to the October LSAT, I still was rather nervous about the possibility that I would have one of "those" bad scores on the real test day. Anyways long story short my fear came true and I was not even half way through logic games when the proctor announced "there are 5 minutes remaining" (major bummer). So I am taking it again in December. I have simply put too much time and wasted too much energy to just give up on this now, and honestly I feel like I have way too good of an understanding of the test to accept a score that is as low as the score I probably got yesterday! I want to study for the next two months or so before the December LSAT, I will do whatever it takes to succeed on this test, I am not a quitter. Like I said, I have completed between 60% and 70% of your course, taken about 10 prep tests, and tried my best to blind review exactly as you instructed. I have also read the entire book and done all the homework for the LSAT Trainer. My question is, given the amount of prep I have already done, what do you think is the best course of action to best prepare me for the December LSAT in a couple months? I would really appreciate any advice you can give me!

Thanks,

Doug G.

Just visited the test center JFK Law school in Bay area where i plan to take the Dec test.

The test takers are taking test packed like Sardines next to each other. There is barely 3inch separating two individuals.

Anyone experienced this or any recourse for this?

Finally. Thank you based logic games lessons.

And other lessons but seriously... I was posting here a month ago fretting about how bad my logic games score was (averaging -12). I'm now averaging (-3).

GAH! Really happy right now.