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Anyone find much success limiting (at least at the outset) what you write down during a Logic Game to the second page? My last few games have really improved in time since employing this strategy. I find i write smaller and I refer back to the rules more because they are within my line of sight for almost all of the logic game. It turns out, at least for me, that the LSAC wasn't doing us a favor by changing from one page to 2 pages.

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Hello fellow 7sagers!

I'm sorry if my post is outside the usual scope of 7sage discussions, but I was curious to see if anybody else is in a similar situation as me or has any advice to share.

When I originally decided to go to law school, I was planning on going to law school in the United States (where I'm from), but after evaluating some extenuating circumstances in my life, I decided it would be best for my health to go to Ireland for law school where I can get better access to medical care (I'm a type one diabetic if anybody is wondering). I'm still planning on taking the LSAT, but I was wondering if there was anybody on here who knows anything about international law school admissions (specifically in Ireland) or if there's anybody who's in a similar situation as me. All replies are greatly appreciated! Also, if you took the time to read my post thank you! Stay safe everybody!

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    This might be a weird question, but I was just wondering if anybody has taken the LSAT at the Texas A&M Commerce location. I am real big on environment so I was wondering if anybody could tell me if it is somewhat loud, if we are sitting in super close proximity with other people, if it was cold, etc. I would like to try to simulate my prep-test environments to what it will be like on the day of - I get distracted very easily with noise, closeness to people, and cold temperatures so I wanted to try to train myself to be ready. Sorry if this is weird!

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    As always mentioned in this discussion forum, the first 10 questions of the LR section are usually the easiest. I get to the last 5-10 and start really struggling. I am not sure if it is fatigue or difficulty of the questions. Any tips on this? I have seen that people say to follow your gut on the first 10 so you have more time with the last questions.

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    Not sure if there are many people who have already solved this PT but would really appreciate the opportunity to pick your brains regarding this question.

    I initially chose D. My reasoning was that looking at mortality patterns with other animals could perhaps reinforce or weaken the idea that more full grown male horse bones = people rode horses. What if mortality patterns of domesticated goats living with the Botai also shows that they had more full-grown males, thus also going against the typical pattern for domesticated animal usage? What if the Botai people just really love male animals? Basically my reasoning was that looking at mortality patterns of other animals could be a point of comparison.

    I guess the weakness to my reasoning is that even if goats or other animals go against the typical hypothesis re: domesticating animals, the hypothesis regarding domestication of horses could still be true? So in essence it may not be a good point of comparison and may not yield any information to evaluate the hypothesis? I'm not sure, just trying to pick holes in my reasoning.

    I also tried to reason for A: So I'm thinking this is a way for the author to evaluate whether the presence of more male bones than female bones is good enough evidence for the conclusion. If more bones show signs of being gnawed on or something, it could maybe weaken the claim that the Botai people rode horses.

    Am I on the right track with A? What do you think regarding my explanation for D?

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    Sunday, May 19 2019

    Mantra

    If we do all the work upfront, then the questions will fly by. If we do all the work upfront, then the questions will fly by.

    You guys, this is my new mantra. So simple, but so hard to grasp. I've been watching videos of terrified me ~ staring at answer choices for way too long and hesitating for what looks like an eternity ~ and it hit me! If we do all the work upfront, then the questions will fly by. JY has told us this, but we have to live it and learn it. This mantra may just save my ass on June 3. All together now, "If we do all the work upfront, then the questions will fly by!"

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    Scored my PT average on everything except RC. I was 6 pts below my PT RC which resulted in me being 3 pts below the score I wanted. I feel like on test day I just second guess everything about the passage and end up reading it over and over. Any tips/strategies?

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    I am looking for one or two individuals to study with over the next several weeks. This would be for a couple of hours per week in the evenings or on the weekends. We could meet up via via Skype or Zoom. At the moment I am focusing on LG, however, studying a section or two weekly in LR would be very beneficial. If you are interested and think you could benefit from this please direct message me. Thank you and happy studying!

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    When doing this question, I could not agree with JY's explanation no matter how many times I've heard it. I simply think his reasoning on why he eliminated answer choice A is incorrect. In absolute terms, the rain will definitely increase, because we know the proportion of precipitation as rain has also increased, so in relative terms too, rain has increased more compared to snow.

    To me, this answer choice can only be eliminated because of the use of "probably" in both the answer choice and in the stimulus. How should I understand the use of probably, though?

    Should I think of it as "in most cases", meaning, in more than 50% of the cases? In that case, I suppose that just like how when given A-most->B-most->C, we can't make any inferences between A and C, in this question, the two cases of "probably" disconnect the causal relationship in the argument, and therefore does not actually strengthen the argument?

    What do you guys think of my reasoning, and my analysis on "probably"? The more I think about it, the more it makes sense, and I think as I was typing this out, I've convinced myself that this is the correct reasoning for eliminating A.

    https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-71-section-1-question-12/

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    One of the issues I had with LR was how quickly I had to change gears from one question to another. The test tries to mess with you as it asks similar questions and tripping you up is what the test writers are trying to do. I had to come up with a way to remember all of the different types of LR questions so I could recall quickly what was being asked of me. I 'borrowed' from both the 7-Sage lessons and the Powerscore books to make this basic study sheet. It is a breakdown of the similar question types, what makes them similar and a definition of the individual types.

    Hope this helps.

    LR STUDY SHEET

    THE MUST BE OR PROVE FAMILY

    -Information in the stimulus proves that one of the AC’s is correct

    -Accept the stimulus 100%

    -Any information in the stimulus that does not directly or indirectly appear in the Stimulus = Wrong Answer

    MBT/MSS- Best proven by the information in the stimulus

    Main Point- What is the primary conclusion (similar to MBT ?’s)

    Point at Issue/Agreement- Find point of contention or point of agreement between the speakers.

    Method of Reasoning (MOR)- Describe in abstract terms the way the author made the argument.

    Flaw in Reasoning (Flaw)- Describe in abstract terms the error in the authors reasoning.

    Parallel Reasoning/Parallel Flaw- ID the AC that contains reasoning most similar in structure to the reasoning presented in the stimulus.

    HELP FAMILY

    -Assisting or helping the authors argument or statement somehow, possibly by revealing assumption of the argument or by resolving a paradox or some other way.

  • The information in the stimulus is suspect., there are reasoning errors- you need to help shore up the argument.
  • The AC’s are accepted as given, even if they have ‘new’ information. You need to determine which AC best meets the? posed in the stem.
  • Assumption- ID the assumption

    Justify (The Conclusion)- Supply a piece of information that when added, proves the conclusion.

    Strengthen/Support- Provide support or strengthen the authors argument in some way.

    Resolve the Paradox- Find the AC that resolves or explains the discrepancy or contradiction.

  • WEAKEN FAMILY
  • Hurt Family, Attack the authors argument
  • The stimulus is suspect. Often there are reasoning errors. Need to further weaken in some way.
  • The AC’s are given, even if they include ‘new’ information.
  • Determine which AC best attacks the argument in the stimulus.
  • Weaken- Find the answer choice that attacks or undermines the argument.

  • DISPROVE FAMILY
  • Use the information in the stimulus (accept the stimulus) to prove that one of the AC’s cannot occur.
  • The correct AC will directly disagree with the stimulus or a consequence of the stimulus.
  • ~Cannot Be True- ID the AC that cannot be true or is most weakened based on the stimulus

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    I got this hopelessly wrong. Only after some quite extensive reviewing, I was able to put the explanation together. Anyone who has done this problem before please review my reasoning and add to it.

    #help

    PP --> Money

    D --> EqualPP

    D --> PP --> Money

    /money

    /D

    A - I didn't see any conjunctions in the stimulus

    B -

    Bookstore --> money

    LoveBooks

    BooksExpensive

    ---------------

    /money

    C -

    Hist-Fic --> accuracy

    Sci-Fic --> /accuracy

    ----------------

    Hist-Scifi --> Difficult

    D - Sometimes and difficult to predict, can eliminate this

    E -

    GoodHealth --> Exercise

    Exercise --> AdequateTime

    -------------------------------------

    GoodHealth --> Exercise --> AdequateTime

    /Adequatetime

    ------------------------------------

    /Goodhealth

    This parallels.

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    Beans.

    (via Trainer)

    Find assumption to make legit:

    Kermit is a frog. Therefore, he love green long time.

    Right: One is a frog only if one loves green. Translation: In order to be a frog one must love salsa verde.

    Wrong: One loves green only if one is a frog. Translation: All the salsa verde lovers, are frogs. (but not all the frogs love verde salsa)

    I'm struggling with translating the "wrong" statement. It just don't make no sense ricky bobby, and the worst part is it did two days ago. When I don't intentionally think about for like 2 minutes, it seems like the right and wrong statement are saying the same thing.

    I know that "if" statements read left to right and "only if" states read right to left (or you just move the if in front of the first clause), but it's hard for me to understand.

    This has probably been covered before...but advice is best only if it is fresh. (see what I did there. see it.)

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    This is a somewhat off topic post, but I recently decided to check out Stanford's free online philosophy encyclopedia (plato.stanford.edu) and found it to be a tremendous resource. It contains a staggering amount of posts on theories/thinkers ranging from antiquity to now (there's a ton of material for any nerds of legal theory) and, considering some of the subject matter, is written in a clear and understandable way. If you ever have some spare time and are even remotely interested I'd recommend checking it out at some point

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    Hi! I am scheduled to take the June test on Monday, though I don't think I will hit my goal score. I have been PTing 168-170 (but dipping as low as 166), and I really would like to get a 171-173. This means that I am going to give it a shot on Monday, but I am planning to take the test again in the fall or winter since I know I can still improve. I have only been studying for 3 weeks.

    HOWEVER! My question is - if I purchased a course, would it be easily modified to take less time considering that I am already very familiar with the test? I lose most points in LG but can lose 2-3 in the other sections as well, but it seems like the bulk of the course is covering not-LG stuff which I don't necessarily want to spend weeks and weeks re-learning. Thanks for any advice that anyone can provide before I decide to purchase!

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    So I do not want to constantly open new discussion threads for logic games, I think it is best to make this just one and if anyone else has their own questions just keep posting here and we can all try to answer each others questions. (Just a suggestion :-) )

    Preptest 7, Feb 1993 LSAT Logic Games kicked my butt today ! In particular Logic Game 3, (7 Judges, In & Out Game)

    http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-7-section-2-game-3/

    After reviewing I realized how splitting the game board makes the game so much more easier. But here is where I am still kinda stuck.

    Rule 1.) If the two conservatives and at least one liberal voted the same way as each other, then both moderates voted that way.

    I initially diagramed this as

    If CCL -->MM

    IF not MM-> not CCL

    But when I saw the video of JY explaining the rules he labeled the contrapositive as

    If not CCL -> not MM (little confused why he did it that way, is that not against the arrow?)

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    I am taking the LSAT somewhat late in the admissions cycle (November) and because of this, depending on how it goes I may wait until the next cycle to re-take the test. If I were to wait until the next cycle, would I need to gather my LOR's or would the ones that I have now carry over into the next cycle?

    Thanks.

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