I've listened to J.Y.'s excellent podcasts with high-scoring 7Sagers. I've been amazed by the amount of dedication all of these 7Sagers interviewed have shown, and I greatly admire the fact that some of them studied for this test over a period of 1-2 years or more. I think the perseverance all these people have shown is incredible.

In Episode 1, Josh (Can't Get Right) improved from a 152 diagnostic to a 176, taking the test 4 times with his scores being 163, 162, 170, and 176. This process took 2 years and some months.

In Episode 38, Sami went from a 152 to a 173, taking the test 7 times. Sami studied over a period of 3 years.

In Episode 39, Rochisha improved from a 164 to a 174, also taking the test 4 times. Rochisha studied for 2 years.

I myself have been at this test for quite some time now. In total, I have studied for this test for over a year now. I scored a 169 and I'm aiming for a score in the mid-170s to high-170s. I've been BR-ing consistently in the low-170s and mid-170s. LG is still my weakest section, though I have work to do in all 3 sections.

Given that I am not a North American test taker, there are fewer tests available to me and more time between each test. I wasn't fully focusing on the test the whole time. Some weeks I've gotten to study 30-something hours, most weeks at least 15-20 hours, and some other weeks no studying at all.

I was planning on applying this year, but I am considering waiting another year to apply while I continue to work and try to retake my test for a higher score. Given my personal timeline, if I were to retake the test, I would have to wait to apply in the fall of 2022 instead. My plan would just be to study part-time while I work since I'm already at a very high level in terms of my knowledge.

I love studying for this test and I have learned so much. I feel like I continue to learn a lot from it every single day. Just in terms of enjoyment and growth, I wouldn't mind spending even more time on this test. I'm very proud of the work I've put in and where I've scored, but I definitely feel like I could do even better and hit my target. For me, it feels like it's just execution that's missing, that I need to work on.

But another part of me also wonders if this is too much time to spend on a test. I wonder if I've been too focused on this one thing for too long now, and whether it would be a good idea to just apply to law school now and see where I get in, even though my current score-GPA combination is likely not good enough for my top choice schools.

For those of you who have studied for a longer period of time (i.e., at least 1 year, if not more), perhaps retaking the test a few times, how long have you studied for? How long do you plan on studying for? What were your reasons for studying for such a long time? Do you find this investment of time and energy worthwhile?

If you studied for the test for more than a year, how did you maintain a healthy relationship with this test? As J.Y. said in one podcast, a lot of high-scorers are very meticulous and even obsessive about this test. I find that I am like this too. But I also know that a healthy balance is important. How did you deal with the mental part of it all? How do you get back up after not getting the score you wanted 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... times?

I also know that, from an outside perspective, it can seem extreme to friends and family who do not have a great understanding of this test and the law school admissions process that someone is studying for a standardised test for such a long time. It might seem quite over the top to them, especially if they don't understand the difference that just a few points on this test can make. How did you explain your time commitment to friends and family? How did you manage this part of the equation?

The proctor was really good, spoke slowly, and made sure everyone was ready. She didn't rush the test, but gave us a second before starting the timer again before the start of each new section. From time of arrival to test, it took about half an hour to have everything in working order. Everything was in good order, the the room had good lighting and space. The only problem I had was that the clock was too far away for me to be able to tell the time, which was a bit of a disadvantage for me especially since I didn't have an analog watch. There were around 40 people taking the test in that room, and more desks which were relatively comfortable. There weren't any left handed accommodations, they were standard wooden desks separated from each other. Noise level was perfect, nothing disturbing. The college is really really big so hard to find your way around, especially when I went in September 2014, when there was almost no one to ask for directions. There was plenty of parking space. It was a little far for me to get there from Milton, but if it were close by I could definitely test there again in the same environment.

I am having a hard time finding the link for this according to the tutorial video. Anyone have this problem?

Proctors: Totally kickass! These people are freaking ON POINT. Everything is organized. Rules are all set up. Start to finish setup takes only 45 minutes or so. SO AWESOME!

Facilities: Great. Newish conference center that is not part of the college but rented out to businesses for conferences and whatnot.

What kind of room: Conference hall. Quiet, friendly, great large cushy desk chairs. Plenty of space.

How many in the room: I counted. It was only about 40 or so.

Desks: You are seated at a table, not tiny desks. You have as much room as you need. They seat you with alternating enormous cushy desk chairs, so I could literally have everything all spread out on the desk in front of me.

Left-handed accommodation: I didn't need it, but there would have been no problem for a lefty since the desk goes all the way in front of you.

Noise levels: No problem. The room has very dampened acoustics.

Parking: I didn't drive, but MCCC has plenty of parking. Shouldn't be a problem for anybody.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: 45 minutes. I arrived pretty much at 9:30.

Irregularities or mishaps: None.

Other comments:

I literally sent this exact email to the head of the test center after my test:

Just wanted to thank you guys for being such awesome LSAT proctors! You guys make the test peaceful and low-stress and everything is on point!

Would you take the test here again? I did. And I should point out that I chose not to take it at the test center where I took my first of 3 tests. Instead I traveled 300 miles north to go specifically MCCC. I can't overstate how awesome this test center is!

Date[s] of Exam[s]: June and Oct 2015.

Hi Everyone! I'm fairly new to the law school admissions process, so I need advice on which test I should take (Aug or Oct)? There are two parts to my question:

First, my goal is to get into a T14 school. When looking into their admissions, most of them open on Sept. 1 and some of them are rolling. For this reason, I feel that waiting for the Oct LSAT may be too late to be strongly considered at a T14 school. I am I wrong in thinking this? Could I wait until the Oct LSAT and still be a strong competitor at a T14?

Second, how do schools feel about applicants taking the LSAT twice? I am worried I will not be ready to score a ~170 by Aug 29, but it is possible since I will have a decent amount of prep in by then. Does taking the test twice look bad, especially if you score the same or worse the second time (this is a common concern w/ GMAT)?

Background on my prep process: I started prepping in mid-June and have logged about 30 hrs, I recently took my first PT and scored a 155 under normal test conditions and a 163 with an additional ~10 mins on each section, I have a FT job where I work 45 hrs/week, but am on track to log 150 hrs of LSAT prep by Aug 29.

Very thankful for any advice!!!

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So as part of my penance for letting the games hurt me in September (PT 73), I'm forcing myself to be super formal in my review as preparation for my December retake. For no particularly good reason, I started with Game 3. I'm working on the others and might post them too. For those who can't wait for JY's far superior explanations and clever quips, here ya go:

http://imgur.com/md1YLAi

I'm pretty sure this doesn't violate copyright since I'm not including the game stimulus or questions or answers. If I am, please delete. :)

Hi I'm looking for a Study partner in the Niagara region for the June 2015 LSAT. Let me know!

Has anyone used Odyssey Logic Games Revolution for LG? Don't get me wrong, 7Sage is Golden for me!! I have ZERO complaints! I love the explanations here but from time to time I need to see things from a different point of view for better understanding. If anyone has used Odyssey is it totally different, or would I be able to merge the two methods when needed? I don't want a new method because that would be confusing. I'm just trying to see if they're comparable.

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BR Groups, Week of August 26th: Weds (PT65), Sat (PT66)

.... Oh, hi there! Yes I'm still on vacation. But you're not. So BR like crazy!

Wednesday, August 26th at 7PM ET: PT65

A BR session in the hand ...

LSATurday, August 29th at 7PM ET: PT66

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Or something like that.

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Hi,

I was wondering about the approaches people take to diagramming.

Personally, I kind of start diagramming as I read. If the setup is pretty straightforward, I would write the game pieces and slots/board down when I reach them. But sometimes it's unclear which is optimum to use as pieces/board. I find that typically it is not crucial; rather a matter of preference. Often, I just go with what I have down already. (I'm only talking about cases when it doesn't appear essential.)

Although I probably won't be switching it up in the final few days, I'm curious to know how others approach this.

Thanks

hey all,

i know for LR, the usual benchmark is spend 1 minute per question (for 15 in 15, 25 in 25). And If you're at 1 minute and still can't get it, just skip it.

for RC, what's the benchmark in terms of how much time to spend on a question?

For RC, I've heard of ppl view this by thinking of "processes" (read all AC, reread question stem, go back to passage, and if still can't get it, then skip). They focus on "processes" instead of time.

The challenge, though, is there are some RC questions (like the REALLY LONG analogy questions that take up half a page where the question stem is a a paragraph long and each answer choice is a paragraph long), where just reading the question stem and all the AC's takes like 3 minutes.

Should I just skip these REALLY long RC questions, or just dive in them and spend 3 minutes on them?

Any advice or suggestions appreciated. Thank you!

Looking to go over a test every Sunday in the Madison area; if interested please leave me a message.

Proctors:

Friendly, but it wasn't very organized so it took a very long time to get everyone sorted into classrooms

Facilities:

Fine

What kind of room:

Large Classroom

How many in the room:

20 something

Desks:

Long table with 2 or 3 people, plenty of room and comfortable chairs

Left-handed accommodation:

N/A

Noise levels:

Fairly quiet

Parking:

N/A

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

Nearly 3 hours

Irregularities or mishaps:

Nothing, besides the late delay and having to count the tests a couple of times

Would you take the test here again?

I would if I knew they'd be more efficient

Date of Exam: 10/3/2015

How do I go about using this? Do I start with completing the syllabus and do drills simultaneously?

Reply if you would want to be interested in starting a study group for the July/June LSAT in the West Texas Area

Proctors: Pretty good overall. Stuck to time, no errors with the alarm (had my own watch so it wasn't really an issue). Friendly and gave clear instructions. Had spare pencils as well.

Facilities: Excellent. This looks like a relatively new building and was very clean. Plenty of bathrooms/water fountains.

What kind of room: Classroom lecture style, seats 100+.

How many in the room: 40ish or so.

Desks: 5 or 6 feet long desks, plenty of space. Chairs are steel case office type chairs (these are around $750 retail) with a lot of options for adjustment.

Left-handed accommodation: Not applicable since these are desks.

Noise levels: none. Room appears to have some sort of noise dampening material, no windows in the room so I assume it wasn't facing street or anything.

Parking: Unknown. Looks like there were some street level parking. I took public transit.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: 10 mins or so from advertised start time to actual start time (getting people seated, in the right place etc).

Irregularities or mishaps: none

Other comments: The room I took the test in was very bright; however it was slightly warm and I rather have it a bit colder since you can layer up.

Would you take the test here again? No -- because it is too far from where I live, nothing wrong with the place though.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: Oct 2015

I apologize in advance if this has been addressed already, but I see that the Core Curriculum content has increased in hour to 165 hrs. Is it because the course has split the practice questions in each lessons or are there new materials that I need to review?

Thanks for the advise in advance.

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Hey guys, I was just wondering if I am signed up for January 2020 and will maybe take future LSAT's after that date, should I only be doing time practice tests under "Digital" conditions? No more paper and pencil practice exams? Just wanted to get some ideas from everyone out there? Thanks

Hi there! I'm a full-time paralegal in the Alexandria area, and looking for a study buddy for a little bit of accountability. I'm almost finished with the CC, looking to start PTing soon, and was hoping someone may be looking for the same!

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NOTE: I front-loaded the PT 70 - 75 because I believe that people need to get eyes on 70s sooner rather than later. We’ll still have PT 76 and 77 available to PT in May. Trust me when I say it is worth it to do these tests twice. And if you don’t feel comfortable hitting the 70s yet, don’t worry. We’re going to repeat this cycle of PT 70-75 at the end of February just in case.

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Hey all!

I am looking for a small group to do full PTs and BR before the Fall LSAT. I'm signed up for August but realistically will probably not take until at least the October/November exam.

I'm hoping to do a study group a few times a week and as our state is opening up/going back to work, later evenings MST (like 8 PM MST) would be ideal. I've got a great group that does LR/RC together but unfortunately the time difference makes it tricky for where I'm at, so being in PST/MST or with a flexible schedule to meet at that time/later in the evening would be ideal. I'm hoping for someone ready to take a lot more PTs, scoring around/above the mid 160s, and can be consistent.

If you're interested, send me a message!