Who’s going to the Handling People talk?

Wednesday, October 14th at 8PM ET: PT62

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I'm having trouble figuring out the argument in this stimulus. I believe its saying:

Premise: While health care in other Western countries is supported by their tax revenues, the US government does not provide health care via tax. The US public health-care expense is ~5% of the GDP, but private is 7%. Thus, this 7% is tax.

Conclusion: It is incorrect to say that people of the US are "lightly taxed."

What the hell does that mean? This argument literally makes no sense. I can't follow which is probably why I can't pinpoint the flaw.

Any input would be helpful!

Proctors: The two main proctors were Eckerd College students, both with good energy. The proctor running the test did a great job of keeping things going, answering questions and handling things.

Facilities: Auditorium of science building. Five rows of tiered seats/tables with enough room for about 25 students seated every other seat. Fortunately, we had fewer than 25, since the rest of the seats were cut-out desks that look really small.

Left-handed accommodation: Tables are perfect for lefties. They did have left-handed cut-out desk if necessary.

Noise levels: Quiet.

Parking: Ample parking in front of building, with a gravel parking lot not too far away.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: We were to arrive by 8:30. I was the second person to check in. No line or anything. I'd say about two-thirds of us arrived by 8:24. By 8:45, we were filling out forms and even with a handful of minor questions and a request to turn on more lights (which they did), the test started around 9 a.m.

Irregularities or mishaps: None

Other comments: All but about 6 test takers were female and I feared this could be a problem in the four-stall ladies room, but there was never any line, so we had ample time there (that was a big concern of mine!). Also time to hang out in the lobby and eat, drink and take a breather before going back in.

Would you take the test here again? Yes. Was very low key and stress free.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: 2/10/18****

Did anyone find a more simpler way to tackle game 4 in this pt?

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-64-section-2-game-4/

Proctors: The proctors were OK. They provided clear instruction and followed all directions. I sat in front, which was distracting because they seemed to walk in front of my desk A LOT.

Facilities: There were bathrooms near the lecture halls. The door to the lecture hall opens to the outside, like many do in Hawaii.

What kind of room: Large lecture hall, but in the business school and not new. Stadium seating, each hard plastic seat with its own small fold out desk. The stadium seating was angled at a way that made the room very tall like a movie theater. The lighting was a little low which made it straining to read. The room DID have A/C. This was a concern of mine, but the temperature was not a problem for me.

How many in the room: Over 50-75. Pretty much a full room, but at least one desk between testers.

Desks: Bad. These were the little flip desks. Your test booklet had to be folded at all times, and the answer sheet had to overlap the test booklet just to keep everything organized and on the desk. They put at least one seat between testers.

Left-handed accommodation: The desks flipped from the right side. I'm right handed, so I don't remember if they accommodated left handed testers. I do remember one tester sitting in the front at his own desk. I found this unfair since he had a lot of desk space and the rest of us had so little.

Noise levels: There was not noise dampening in the old lecture hall. It was what I expected at the time, but now that I've tested elsewhere, I know that it was higher than it should be. I tested at a law school in Seattle and I literally heard no noise from anyone but myself.

Parking: I purchased a 4 hour parking pass in the visitor lot, and went over time. They gave me a fine even though the lot was empty. I was pissed about this, but wasn't sure where else to park.

Time elapsed from arrival to test: I don't remember exactly, but perhaps an hour between check and the start of the test.

Irregularities or mishaps: No mishaps, but really crappy desks and bad lighting.

Other comments: If they hold tests at the U of H law school, I recommend going to that location instead. If I were to test while in Hawaii, I'd make sure the test center is better or I'd fly for the weekend to the west coast.

Would you take the test here again? Absolutely NOT. Taking the test at the U of H business school is not an option if you are serious about the LSAT. Bad desks, bad lighting, bad parking choices. Hopefully they have changed the location since 2014.

Date[s] of Exam[s]: June 2014

Most of us are taught to make inferences for game Rules, but perhaps we should all be more on guard to make inferences when interpreting Questions….

Example:

LSAT 62 – Section 3 – Game 2:

When I hit question 11, I was already mentally exhausted so I didn’t make the key inference that JY pointed out…. that there was 1 g and 2 rs. Then it occurred to me that a lot of seemingly “local” questions state things a less than obvious way – and it’s far more effective to look for inferences IN THE QUESTION.

Again, I'm thinking we can all improve on effectiveness in LG if we also look to draw inferences in SOME questions - at least ones like in the example - they appear local but still too broad at first...

Thoughts?

I have been prep testing with the newer LSATs (66-72) for the past few weeks. I have used up 66, 71, and 72 so far. I saved the newer ones for the tail end of my prep and was excited to tackle them since I started scoring from 160-163 on prior preptests, which is my target range. Unfortunately, I have scored a 156/157 on all the newer ones.

The difference in the score can be accounted for by my LR section performance alone. On each newer exam I have lost 18 points on both LR sections combined. Where on the older ones I lost anywhere from 8 to 12 points combined.

Any thoughts on how the newer LR sections are different and what is a good last minute approach to take toward improvement?

P.S. both my speed an accuracy seem to have suffered, however, it is more my accuracy.

I feel like in the last two months alone, 7Sage has introduced new tags (especially for LR) out of blue? While I appreciate the ability for more detailed analysis, it's a bit anxiety-inducing to discover there's a new dimension on this test that I need to master. How often does 7Sage add/discover tags?

On the original site, when I didn't like my performance on a certain drill or when I'd like to drill the same drill again, I would duplicate it. But this duplicating feature doesn't seem to show up in the new site. Will it contain this

Looking for people to study in 209 area

LSAT

Correct me if I am wrong in my explanation.

*The kind of question this is:* Weaken

*CTX:* Local agricultural official gave fruit growers of District 10 a new pesticide that they applied for three years to their pear orchards in place of the pesticides they had used before.

*Premise(s):* during the three years, the proportion of pears lost to insects was significantly less than it had been during the previous three years period.

*Conclusion:* based on the results, the official concluded that the new pesticide was more effective than the old pesticide, at least in the short term. In limiting the loss of certain fruit to insects.

*What I am looking for:* Just looking for answer choices that weaken the argument. Maybe an alternative explanation as to why the pears lost to insects were significantly less than it had been during the previous three years period.

*Answer A:* Yes, this is the right answer. This is irrelevant and does not weaken the argument. There were less fruit being produced because the number of mature trees has declined of the past 8 years. Who cares. The argument is talking about the “proportion of pears lost to insects.” So, it doesn’t matter how many pears we started with, it’s how many of those that were lost to insects with the new pesticide.

*Answer B:* Not the right answer. This weakens the argument. Insect abatement programs were used in the last 5 years, and were successful. That explains why the pears lost to insects were significantly less than it had been during the previous three years period.

*Answer C:* Not the right answer. Over the past 5 years, the birds that prey on the insects that feed on the pears have spent more time in the district 10 region. Weakens.

*Answer D:* Not the right answer. Insects in district 10 that infest pear trees are water breeders, and access to water for them is shrinking. This means the insects did not get to the pear trees. Weakens.

*Answer E:* Not the right answer. It is saying the old pesticide is still in effect after it has stopped being used, so it may not be the new pesticide that is credited with eliminating many pear eating insects. Weakens.

Hi guys, I took my first LSAT this past Saturday aiming to break 170, but realistically, I think I probably scored more within the low-mid 160s. My target schools are Berkeley, UCLA, and NYU. I'm planning to retake the LSAT in December and I'm hoping to get in my application by the end of October. My question is whether it's better to apply with a cancelled LSAT score or whether it's better to apply with a low LSAT score (as compared to the medians at those three schools). Are there any disadvantages of applying with a low LSAT score? Will they not consider my application because of the low score? My GPA is 3.7 and I'm an international student (Canada), if that information is relevant. Thank you in advance for your help!

Hello, looking to see if there are other individuals in the NYC area wanting to meet on weekends to discuss wrong answers and go over practice problems together. I have been advised that really focusing on wrong answers and understanding them will help significantly; thus, I wanted to create a study group just focused on this. I am prepping for the June exam as I work full time, thus, I need more runway to study. Feel free to message me!

I've loved this course so far! However, one thing I struggle with more than anything is diagramming the Logic Games. For me, this is the hardest part of the section and I have lesser confidence in this section than all the others. Time and space for drawing is a constriction that further messes with my confidence, although I do diagram each clue out. My biggest program after is combining the clues. Can you offer any tips or suggestions?

Today only, my blind review keeps telling me that I got 0% even when I get the answer correct. Additionally, this isn't an issue with time. On a few I've been over time, however, most I have been under time and it continues to happen. What is going on

I'm sure I'm not alone in using 7Sage's LSAT Analysis tools AFTER taking and grading my own PTs.

For those of us who do, as we improve, it starts to become more of a hassle for us to enter all our correct answers in the PT Grader.

Why not offer an option to only enter the answers you got wrong? It would save anyone averaging 160+ a significant amount of time.

I am getting ready to take the LSAT for the second time and most of my PT's have been the 40's-50's because I used the most recent ones up during my first go around of studying. Would it be beneficial to retake one of the most recent prep tests again to try and get familiar with the new trends before test day? It's been about 3-4 months since I last took them. I am just not sure if it would be beneficial to go through material and PT a test again that I had already done a few months back. Thanks for the help!

Hi all! Can anyone who has completed an interview with CLS describe your interview experience? In terms of what questions were asked and how it generally goes. Thanks!

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Friday, Nov. 13th at 8PM ET: PT B

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I'm chugging through the lesson plans, and I've completed about 45%. I'm writing in December, and I've almost completed the Reading Comprehension lessons.

At this point, when I get ready in the morning, I read through all of the PDF notes given to us. I do the lesson plans in the morning before work for an hour, at lunch on my lunch break, and from 1-3 hours after work.

Does anyone do anything additional to reading the notes? I know he suggested reading The Economist, but does anyone do anything extra? I did do the Kaplan Method previous to this, so I have exhausted a few LSATs, and I don't want to just keep practicing on LSATs in case I run out before I begin the actual practice portion of this LSAT help.

What are you doing?!?!

Thanks :)

Hi,

First time poster, long time lurker. Currently, I am making some slow progress with my PTs. My recent tests have moved from a 155, 156, and most recently a 157. Slow and steady? maybe? A major trend that I am experiencing with all my PTs is that I run out of time on each section and end up guessing 15-20 questions per test (e.g., 1 passage in RC, 1 game in LG, and usually the last 5 questions of each LR section). My blind reviews range from the 169-175- if that matters? Thus, my question is to ask the advice of the 7sage community- how can I improve my speed so I can actually answer those questions that Im guessing? Any help would be greatly appreciated and any similar stories of success with this lagging brain problem would be greatly motivating. Help me 7sage, you're my only hope.

JARU

Hey all,

I am getting ready for the December test. This will be my second time testing. I am aiming for a score in the 170s and am currently averaging the upper 160s. I feel like I can get to the next level but feel a little lost as to how to get there. As of right now, I do prep tests and review questions that I mark for BR or that I got wrong and then do them again. I feel like this is a "20% of the work gets you 80% of the way" situation.

Does anyone else who is shooting for or has achieved this kind of increase have advice for how they went about doing it? I work well with laid out plans and I feel like there is potential for me to improve to the level I want if I have the right studying methodology.

Thanks so much

Do we blind review every section? So basically review all of our circled questions, maybe even re-read the reading comp passages at a slower pace to confirm answer choices etc.? We basically can review the whole test at a slow untimed pace? THEN check our answers?

Also for full length PT's do you blind review the same day you took it or the day after? What do you think is more useful? Obviously when I am doing section drilling I will BR immediately after.

Any advice would be awesome! Thanks!!!!!

Hi guys! So I spent the summer working through the 7Sage lesson prep and now am at the stage where I just drill PT's and review them. BUT I am a junior in college who is majoring in Finance and a minor in Econ aka a lot of course load. I also am in a frat and want to join an extra finance club but any suggestions on time management? I am thinking about definitely taking a test every friday and reviewing it sat/sunday. Then taking another test on like monday but taking the tuesday-thursday to review it (i.e. in between my classes and when I have a spare hour) granted there will be weeks that I can't get both tests in can I just get advice from anyone else who has had success balancing work/school with LSAT studying? BTW I am taking the LSAT in February of 2014. Any advice would help!!