Anyone from Ann Arbor/Metro Detroit?

Proctors:

Morning test start, so make sure you arrive at David Turpin building at the very latest 8:30am. The check-in will be right in the main floor when you enter in the building.

Facilities:

David Turpin Building - Large Class Room - Holds a couple hundred students

What kind of room:

The seating rows are like stadium seating sloping down towards the chalkboard

How many in the room:

I would approximate the attendance to be close to 150 students

Desks:

Large tables with swivel chairs that are very uncomfortable and do not allow for much adjustment because they are fastened to the tables.

Left-handed accommodation:

Yes

Noise levels:

Noise levels are very good. Very few distractions.

Parking:

Parking is also very good with a huge stadium parking lot right across the road from the test taking building. Because the tests are done on Saturday there is usually plenty of space and I only had to pay $2.50 for the whole day.

Time elapsed from arrival to test:

Arrival time 8:30 - Finish time 1:40pm October 2015 write date (it was very unorganized for this write date)

Arrival times 8:30 - Finish time 12:40pm February 2016 write date

Irregularities or mishaps:

In October 2015 there was a section that no 5 minute warning was announced which was frustrating for many test takers that day. The staff at the February write were much more organized and more pleasant to deal with.

Other comments:

Would you take the test here again?

Yes, definitely. Although it would be nice to have more comfortable chairs for the 4 hour experience.

Date[s] of Exam[s]:

Oct. 2015 and Feb. 2016

I had been working from 62-71 for most of my prep this time and had done 29-38 previously. I meant to order 52-61 to use for some drill so I could work on my weaker sections. But I found that I accidentally ordered another volume of 62-71. Would it be better for me to actually use that and retake some sections of PTs I had done, as my original copy is heavily annotated, or to return it and get the volume I meant to have?

Is anyone interested in forming a study group for the March Lsat ? If your in NYC we can meet at a mutual location.

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I understand the whole formal logic chain, pretty simple, however I do not understand why the last sentence is added to the end of the chain (a necessary condition) when the sentence starts out as 'The only', which implies sufficiency. Not sure for legal reasons if I am able to post the actual question on here, but I am more the welcome to if somebody if willing to assist me. Thanks!

Admin note: edited title; please use the format of "PT#.S#.Q# - [brief description]." Also, you are correct - please do not post the entire actual question in forums for LSAC/legal reasons, the title format helps others reference the PT and question. Thanks!

Admin note: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-86-section-1-question-10/

Hi,

So I am just really lost on why the right answer here was B instead of A. Can anyone explain why B is right and A is wrong?

When looking at the question, I focused primarily on the last two sentences of passage A (kinda treated those last two sentences as a LR question).

As a result, A looked like it weakened the argument passage A gives in these last two sentences because it created a reason for the phenomena (of rich people usually paying about the same under progressive tax as they would under flat tax) to be surprising (and thus less "unsurprising").

In addition, I just didn't see how B weakens the idea that this phenomena was "unsurprising", and as a result, I thought B was incorrect.

#HELP

Thanks!

Is there anything I should do to prep myself for the change of LSAT format from a written test to a tablet test?

I have been doing preptests by only having scrap sheets to write on,

During my blind-review sections or untimed sections I average -3, yet on timed sections I average -7/-8 which on a bad day can be -10. I don't understand how to close the gap. I've read Loophole and am trying to find patterns but sometimes the questions just throw me for a loop or have subtle distinctions from the right answer choice. Any successful methods of closing this gap and improving speed?

Hi, I've been hitting the mid-high 160's and I'm finding my core weakness is not understanding what the ACs are saying. This means the AC is using hard referential phrasing, or weird grammar like using embedded clauses without commas / run-on sentences, or the wording is just ambiguous.

I'm trying to parse the sentence piece by piece in my BR, but does anyone have any help for this issue?

My solutions so far are: parse word by word / phrase by phrase in BR, reduce the AC down to subject verb object. This is still really hard and I miss a lot of questions just because I don't know what the AC is trying to tell me. Thanks!

I'm studying for the June - July tests. I'm around 165. I’m pretty soled on LR. On games a bit less. On RC just got developed my routine, whether it pays off I will know in a month or so. I don’t have experience with a study buddy yet. Except for the only one discussion on a few LR questions with a friend of mine. I think to share strategies and discuss particular LR questions could be healthful

If anyone needs help on LR let me know!

Anyone from hell's kitchen in nyc?

Hi,

I was doing PT 70 and was wondering,

Do you think section 4 is harder than section1?

I think I had this experience before too...when one of the LR section is relatively easy, the other one is kind of hard...

Is this true? Or am I the only one who felt so?

Hi all,

#help

I’ve been working through MBT/MBF questions and have experienced some difficulties. Namely, the speed that’s required for diagraming every situation. I have a solid understanding of the logic and, during blind review, am able to work my way to the correct answer. However, during a timed test I find it difficult, if not impractical, to completely diagram every stimulus. Has anyone else experienced this issue? Do any of you have strategies that discern when diagraming is necessary and when intuition suffices?

I know this is a speed test, and I’m starting to think that working through the logic of every question sends me down a time drain.

I’d be very grateful to anyone that could share their thoughts on this!!

Thanks :)

Hi,

Does anybody know why the answer here is not C? This passage is confusing the hell out of me

Admin note: minor title edit; for RC please use the format of "PT#.S#.Q# (P#) - [brief description]"

Thoughts on November LSAT? Is there still a good chance of getting into schools if I apply end December?

How can you get in touch with one? I heard apparently it was free if you have purchased CAS?

I don't understand the correct answer for this one at all. Can someone breakdown why all the wrong ones are correct and D is correct? Here is my breakdown:

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-65-section-3-passage-3-questions/

Answer A: This is what I picked both times, I don’t really see what’s wrong with it. Doesn’t legally requiring something describe US/Canadian law while not legally requiring it parallel Roman law? To me, this is perfect…

Answer B: Roman law didn’t make anything illegal, so this isn’t it.

Answer C: Roman law didn’t distinguish between legality, so this isn’t it.

Answer D: Completely dumbfounded how this could possibly be the answer. Roman law didn’t make blackmail illegal outright. You had to show harm, and THAT made it illegal. I don’t see how this is analogous to Roman law in the slightest…

Answer E: Higher fines? Roman law didn’t have harsher punishment.

I've listened to J.Y.'s excellent podcasts with high-scoring 7Sagers. I've been amazed by the amount of dedication all of these 7Sagers interviewed have shown, and I greatly admire the fact that some of them studied for this test over a period of 1-2 years or more. I think the perseverance all these people have shown is incredible.

In Episode 1, Josh (Can't Get Right) improved from a 152 diagnostic to a 176, taking the test 4 times with his scores being 163, 162, 170, and 176. This process took 2 years and some months.

In Episode 38, Sami went from a 152 to a 173, taking the test 7 times. Sami studied over a period of 3 years.

In Episode 39, Rochisha improved from a 164 to a 174, also taking the test 4 times. Rochisha studied for 2 years.

I myself have been at this test for quite some time now. In total, I have studied for this test for over a year now. I scored a 169 and I'm aiming for a score in the mid-170s to high-170s. I've been BR-ing consistently in the low-170s and mid-170s. LG is still my weakest section, though I have work to do in all 3 sections.

Given that I am not a North American test taker, there are fewer tests available to me and more time between each test. I wasn't fully focusing on the test the whole time. Some weeks I've gotten to study 30-something hours, most weeks at least 15-20 hours, and some other weeks no studying at all.

I was planning on applying this year, but I am considering waiting another year to apply while I continue to work and try to retake my test for a higher score. Given my personal timeline, if I were to retake the test, I would have to wait to apply in the fall of 2022 instead. My plan would just be to study part-time while I work since I'm already at a very high level in terms of my knowledge.

I love studying for this test and I have learned so much. I feel like I continue to learn a lot from it every single day. Just in terms of enjoyment and growth, I wouldn't mind spending even more time on this test. I'm very proud of the work I've put in and where I've scored, but I definitely feel like I could do even better and hit my target. For me, it feels like it's just execution that's missing, that I need to work on.

But another part of me also wonders if this is too much time to spend on a test. I wonder if I've been too focused on this one thing for too long now, and whether it would be a good idea to just apply to law school now and see where I get in, even though my current score-GPA combination is likely not good enough for my top choice schools.

For those of you who have studied for a longer period of time (i.e., at least 1 year, if not more), perhaps retaking the test a few times, how long have you studied for? How long do you plan on studying for? What were your reasons for studying for such a long time? Do you find this investment of time and energy worthwhile?

If you studied for the test for more than a year, how did you maintain a healthy relationship with this test? As J.Y. said in one podcast, a lot of high-scorers are very meticulous and even obsessive about this test. I find that I am like this too. But I also know that a healthy balance is important. How did you deal with the mental part of it all? How do you get back up after not getting the score you wanted 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... times?

I also know that, from an outside perspective, it can seem extreme to friends and family who do not have a great understanding of this test and the law school admissions process that someone is studying for a standardised test for such a long time. It might seem quite over the top to them, especially if they don't understand the difference that just a few points on this test can make. How did you explain your time commitment to friends and family? How did you manage this part of the equation?

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Hi all. So I'm taking my LSAT next week and I've been scoring in the high 160's and low 170s on all my practice tests so far. Most of the time when I get a question wrong it's only because I read the question stem wrong. But since this is my first LSAT, I want to retake it in January just so I have one more try before applying to Law Schools. I've already started some of my applications.

The issue is that in January I'm getting a rhinoplasty procedure a couple of days before the LSAT. I know I can't push it to February because I want to apply to T-14 and T-20 schools and I feel like they wouldn't accept an LSAT as late as February, but I'm not sure.

Do you guys think my operation would have any impact on my performance on test day? It's a closed operation so I won't have stitches or anything. Is it worth the risk, or should I just take it in February instead. Ideally I would've postponed the procedure but it's been scheduled for months now and it would be too expensive to make changes at this point.

Or alternatively, I can take it in January and then once more in February, but how bad does 3 tries on the LSAT look?

When will we see the next available test dates after april?

Hey guys, I was just wondering if I am signed up for January 2020 and will maybe take future LSAT's after that date, should I only be doing time practice tests under "Digital" conditions? No more paper and pencil practice exams? Just wanted to get some ideas from everyone out there? Thanks

Help me with my last 6 weeks study plan! (hopefully)

I’ll be taking Nov. 25th test, and I just restarted on taking PTs last week.

So far done 67, 69 and 73. And got 160, 169, 169 respectively.

These are the score breakdown:

PT 67 (actual -25 / BR -14)

LR (-7/-7)

LR (-7/-4)

LG (-2/-0)

RC (-9/-3)

PT 69 (actual -13 / BR -11)

LR (-5/-4)

LR (-3/-4)

LG (-0/-0)

RC (-5/-3)

PT 73 (actual -13 / BR -13)

LR (-3/-3)

LR (-4/-5)

LG (-0/-0)

RC (-6/-5)

I’ve been spending a lot of time on blind review. It used to take about 8 hours, and now it takes more like 20 hours. Thought they were supposed to go down. Anyways, I’m fine with that, but I just don’t know what I can do to eliminate overconfidence errors. Out of 10 circled question, I usually circle one or two that I actually get wrong. So there’s also under-confidence error, but I’m trying to fix oc first…

I’ve been thinking about reusing used PTs for drills.

Maybe do 1 fresh PT on Monday through Wednesday, and do 3 used PTs for Th, Fri, Sat? I won’t be doing BR as extensively for used PTs, and only do BR and missed question review. (think this would count as section drills?)

Or would it be better to just do 2 fresh PTs every week?

Is it my lack of understanding in foundations? I want to return to CC, but I don’t even know what I don’t know.

My BR score dropped thanks to overconfidence errors...urgh

And how should I BR RC? I'm reading the section untimed, do low-res/structure and watch videos and explanations right now.

Should I BR questions without re-reading the passages?