this is a minor question, but is the bubbling sheet during the exam a loose leaf piece of paper that is separate from the testing booklet or is it IN the testing booklet? i feel like i lose so much time by flipping to the back of the PT book to find the bubbling sheet, i just want to see if that will also be part of testing day

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-65-section-4-question-23/

This question has had me stumped for like 3 days! I have done everything I can to wrap my head around it, but it just doesn't seem to want to click for me. So, is there anyone out there that may be able to help me understand why the correct answer is correct, I basically ruled all the answers out and guessed (E), but can see why its wrong after the fact. It is a most strongly supported question.

The question begins with background: Dogs are descendants of domesticated wolves.

Premise: It has recently been found that some dogs are much more closely related genetically to wolves than to most other breeds of dogs.

Conclusion: This shows that some dogs are descended from wolves that were domesticated much more recently than others.

(B) starts off telling us that we are talking about the dogs more closely related to wolves than to other dogs (so thats good), it finishes with the former breed (the ones we need) has more recent undomesticated ancestors than the latter breed has.

For simplicity, lets call the dogs that are from wolves domesticated more recently, Group A. The other dogs = Group B

I ruled (B) out right off the bat because of the UNDOMESTICATED. I thought that was to an inference that was to far out of scope. Next, the stem tells us that the dogs in group A come from wolves domesticated more recently than the wolves Group B is related to. But, based on this how can we infer which group has more recent undomesticated ancestors?

I don't know what I am overlooking for this not to make sense. Hopefully someone can clear this up for me. Thanks in advance!

Hey All!

This may be a long shot, but if there is anyone in Kuala Lumpur studying for the LSAT and would like to join forces please let me know.

Would taking a preptest every other day during the last 3 weeks be a bad move? What about more than every other day, like one on monday, one on tuesday, one on thursday, one on friday, one on sunday, ect?

What about a preptest EVERY day during the penultimate week?

Thank you!

Hey,

It'll be my first time taking the LSAT and I could use some advice. My plan was to take the September 27th test, but I'm having some doubts. The factors influencing my decision are:

Pros (for September Test):

1. Right now I've taken off work and have a minimal class load, all conducive to getting some thorough studying done. If I take it any later I'll have to go back to working a bunch of hours a week, and won't have nearly as much or as intensive study time.

2. Getting it out of the way- studying for this thing is a massive time commitment, and as much fun as argumentation and logic can be, being immersed in the LSAT day in and day out for three more months seems daunting at best.

3. I'm averaging a 170-172 consistently on Prep Tests, and while I'd like to score higher than that I'm afraid of the plateau and the burn-out that three more months could bring on.

Cons:

1. I only found 7sage a couple of weeks ago- and while powering through modules and PTs, my score has gone up (I was in the 165s-169s before starting). A lot of JY's comments and the general vibe around the site seems to caution against taking it too soon or going at too fast a pace to cover the curriculum. I'll be done with the modules in a week or so, but I'm concerned moving so fast may be costing me some attention to detail- which I'll need to be in the high 170s.

2. Test and Pre-test stress and jitters- getting closer to the date has got me freaking out. It hasn't changed my scores, and it may just be my response to any test date, not just a relatively close one. Still, I wonder if that's a sign of unpreparedness or just part of the experience.

I'd appreciate any and all advice to help me evaluate the options. Any clarity on the test preparation process/ timeline/ move from the low 170s to the high would be kindly appreciated.

Thanks,

Nova

In an ideal word, the best decision one can make regarding the LSAT is for them to just take the test when they are ready. I get that. Unfortunately, I'm not living in an ideal world and am working full time and studying 12-15 hours a week. While this is sustainable for the next month (and maybe until December) I have NO DESIRE to do it again, starting from scratch. I'm currently registered for the September LSAT and will likely score in the 166-168 range. Is there any admissions downside to powering through and taking the December LSAT as well if my score is lower than expected or I feel like I'm on a roll and can add some points with fine tuning? My current line of thinking is that it would be the most efficient and effective use of my time to build on the months of studying I have already done if I don't like my September score and try again for December. I know the advantages of waiting to take the test again in February or June next year include more time to study, but as I mentioned before, my current study regimen and professional workload are incompatible. Any thoughts or recommendations are welcome!

Hi guys! So I spent the summer working through the 7Sage lesson prep and now am at the stage where I just drill PT's and review them. BUT I am a junior in college who is majoring in Finance and a minor in Econ aka a lot of course load. I also am in a frat and want to join an extra finance club but any suggestions on time management? I am thinking about definitely taking a test every friday and reviewing it sat/sunday. Then taking another test on like monday but taking the tuesday-thursday to review it (i.e. in between my classes and when I have a spare hour) granted there will be weeks that I can't get both tests in can I just get advice from anyone else who has had success balancing work/school with LSAT studying? BTW I am taking the LSAT in February of 2014. Any advice would help!!

Mr. Ping said that to strengthen an argument, we ought to look for an answer that provides more support between the premise and the conclusion, or provide a reason why the assumption in the argument is valid or sound. But other prep companies (i.e. Manhattan LSAT) say that a valid answer choice to a strengthening question can also make the conclusion more likely to be true, without affecting the premise-conclusion relationship.

When I reviewed PT23 S3 Q10, the correct answer choice B) does not seem to relate to any assumption in the argument, or provide more support between the premise-conclusion link, but rather it makes the conclusion more likely to be true. See: http://www.manhattanlsat.com/forums/q10-if-a-person-chooses-to-walk-t629.html

This question, along with several others, is making me doubt the soundness of Mr. Ping's approach to strengthening questions. Granted, it's always important to identify assumptions made in a LR stimulus that contains an argument, but are we precluding ourselves from selecting the right answer choice to some strengthening questions by doing this alone, instead of also look for possible answer choices that makes the conclusion more likely (adding an additional premise)?

I'm profoundly confused. Can a correct answer choice strengthen the conclusion without touching the premise-conclusion relationship, or not?

Thanks in advance!

So after exam 52, the exam introduced comparative reading on the reading comp sections. Does 7sage have any of those lessons covered?

Hello Guys!

I wanted to see if there's anyone who's willing to meetup every weekend on Saturdays and Sundays to study for the LSATs together for the Dec 6th LSAT! I've been studying through TestMasters and BenchPrep. I also have other resources from older test materials from Powerscore and Kaplan. I was meaning to find people with similar interests and working together to understanding each question and succeed! I live around Whittier/Cerritos so anyone close to this area will be ideal, If you're interested please contact this Discussion group or e-mail me at Ekim039@ucr.edu! Thank you!

I read an article about a study that claimed the genre of music you listen to affects your intelligence. Then I read another article about a more recent study that claimed that the genre of music you listen to does not affect your intelligence. Regardless of which one of these studies is true I was curios to know what you guys listen to in general or before a practice test. And do you think it affects your test-taking skills?

When I was practicing logic games I was listening to Fabolous' Gettho Fabolous album but am not sure if it helped. Logical Reasoning was damn near impossible to understand while listening to music.

I recently adjusted my schedule to be able to take my PTs at 9 am. I had been taking them in the afternoon before this and was getting mid-high 160s. I took one this morning for the first time and got a 156 which is the lowest I've gotten since my first ever PT. Is a ten point drop normal when changing to morning testing times? And what suggestions does anyone have to get your mind on point in the morning?

Is it in the morning or afternoon? This is my first LSAT and I want to adjust my PT taking time accordingly. Thanks!

Just wondering what's up with the Advanced Logic lessons? All other lessons seem to be working fine, but none of the lessons in the Advanced Logic section are working. I have tried deleting my cookies and clearing the cache, but it did not resolve the problem. Anyone else having the same problem?

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-34-section-2-question-24/

I just signed up for 7sage today after reviewing the LG! pretty impressed and want to give it a try.

I have difficulty understanding a logic reasoning Q: 34/section2/number 24.

conclusion: the defendant maliciously harmed the plaintiff.

Premise: malice is intention to harm; defendant intentionally harmed the plaintiff coz the snow that def wanted to get rid of on her car harmed plaintiff;

i intuitively knew the answer but i could not articulate what's wrong with the argument. can anyone help expalinit ?

many thanks!

Evan

Just took my first prep test and I am super dissapointed. I have been reading so much material on the LSATS and doing logic games since about June. I am completely shattered of the thought of getting a 140 on my real LSAT in sept. I do not know where to begin to improve my score and I am registered to take the LSAT on sept 27th. My goal is to get into the 160s. I have a 3.55 cum GPA. Any advice would be great. I just picked up both the power score bibles for Logical reasoning and Reading Comp. I work full time and also go to college full time while trying to study for the LSAT.

Thanks

Justina

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-65-section-4-question-13/

I wanted to check my understanding on this question vis. all of yours. I got this question wrong, however, in my blind review, I noted a necessary assumption and wanted to see if it's actually necessary to the argument or if I'm fooling myself.

The n.assumption I identified was that the quality of the teachers are more important to the quality of the education than the size of the class. If this weren't true -- if something was more influential to the quality of the education than the quality of the teachers, e.g. class size -- then I don't see a way for the argument to possibly function, however, this isn't the answer. The answer states that there aren't any available qualified teachers. So I was wondering if the assumption I identified is truly required and just isn't one of the answer choices listed, or if I'm really deluded on this issue. Thanks!

http://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-30-section-2-question-20/

I found this question especially tricky because of what I perceive to be a logic gap in the stimulus. The critics argument can be boiled down to (Justified public funding) -> (indicated that public will benefit). The stimulus then goes on to say if this relationship holds true, then we would not be seeing the public support for this project, suggesting

!(indicated that public will benefit) -> !(justified public funding for this project) -> !(public support)

Is this the right interpretation? I have trouble accepting the second part which asserts that justification of public funding is necessary for public support of a project. I don't see where this is verified in the stimulus.

Hey, everyone,

I'm kind of at a crossroads with LSAT prep and potentially where I should go to law school. I'd love to know what you guys think!

First, my practice tests are going ok so far (mid-160's as of now) and I am currently signed up for the September LSAT. My goal is to get in the upper 160's on the real thing. I want to apply for law school starting next August/September as well. Should I try and switch my test date to the December LSAT to give myself more study time, or will that be too close to send applications?

Second, if I do well on the LSAT I'm a strong candidate to receive a full ride scholarship to a fourth-tier law school. Should I go where the money is, or is it worth taking on the debt and go for a higher ranked law school?

Thanks,

Nick

Hello, as the discussion title states, I am wondering why there is such a big difference. I have been studying for about 5 weeks and finally took my first PT (the June 2007) and scored 146. After Blind Reviewing, I managed to score a 167. Can someone please help me explain why there's such a big difference and what I can do to actually score my Blind Review score in future PT's I take? Thanks!

Does anyone have the LSAT Ultimate? Did you find significant help from it, and did you see results in your scores?

Which one should I choose, if I had to choose one? I can only afford one....

The reason why I am upgrading is because I recently I took a really hard hit...I've been working on the most recent prep tests and my score, which was averaging around 168-170, dropped to 160-163...

One thing that I thought was really helpful about 7sage was listening to JY review the tests. When I take the actual tests, I can hear his voice in my head and it actually helps me go faster...

I am taking the LSAT in September and really banking on getting a high score. Both semesters freshman year I received sub 3.0 GPA's (2.7 and 2.3), but ever since I have received above a 3.9 in much more difficult courses. Therefore, a high LSAT will further legitimize my progress from freshman year and show that my overall GPA is not truly reflective of me as a student, which is about 3.45 now. I have heard that you can send in an application early, and once you receive your LSAT score can quickly add it. Would it be detrimental to send my application early to some of my more prospective schools or should I wait to start the application process after I receive my score if I believe it will drastically improve my resume? Or will they see my GPA and have a weaker outlook towards me from the onset?

With 34 days left (that's 5 full weeks before "LSAT Saturday") I wanted to ask what everyone's study habits and schedules look like in order to give the 7sage September LSAT community a feeling of belonging, in the sense that there's more than one person here who is routinely sleeping at X:o'clockPM, waking up at Y:o'clockAM, and taking Z amount of PTs a week. It's easy to feel discouraged as time winds down.

What time do folks sleep and wake up? How often are you taking PTs in a week? How many days are you resting? What else do you do when you aren't studying? And any other routines and habits regarding your LSAT study schedule will be much appreciated. Thanks :)

I am just so nervous with 40 days left for the exam in Asia. I am planning to take it in Singapore. Anyone here is feeling the same way?

:(((((

I suppose the title is self-explanatory, but I ran across a question in particular (LSAT 58, Section 4, Question 21) regarding lottery winners and television viewers. I ALMOST selected "D" but felt it was just too close to the conclusion to be the right answer. Essentially, I figured the answer choice was just restating the conclusion. As a result, I went with "B" even though I had reservations (this alone should have prevented me from selecting "B").

So down to it: will an Assumption Question answer choice ever feature a restating of the conclusion or premise? Or will the seemingly like sentence simply be a minute assumption that demands a more detailed eye? Hope this question makes sense, and I look forward to anyone's help!