After months of studying. I am still having problem how to set some of the games up. Especially when it comes to sequencing and others. If someone out there wants to help or to study together, I would appreciate it. Thank You.

This helped me with a rc speed a lot at no detriment to comprehension that might help others! I trace the entire passage with my finger tracing my computer screen, my speed has increased and it helps me keep my speed at a consistent pace. Try it out!

Hello, 7Sagers! I seem to have a difficult time committing to memory the differences in language for Q stems in Logical Reasoning for MBT, MSS, PSA, SA, NA, and sometimes Strengthening & Principle question types. I get tripped up because the difference in the Q stem's wording is subtle, and when I don't have a solid grasp of what is being asked it makes it difficult for me to plan my attack of the answer choices. I'd also like to be confident in what type of question it is so I can frame my mind around what direction the support should flow (upwards or downwards).

For example:

I have seen ("WOTF principles, if valid, most helps to justify the reasoning...") to be Q stems for both Principle and PSA questions.

Or the fact that this Strengthening question has most strongly supported it it ("The conclusion of the _____'s argument is most strongly supported if WOTF completes the argument?")

Or the differences between this MSS Q stem (""WOTF can be most reasonably inferred by the...") and this MBT Q stem ("WOTF can be properly inferred from the statements above?")

I am aware of the fact that just because the word "principle" appears in the Q stem doesn't mean it is a Principle type question, however I still struggle to discern the subtle differences between these types of questions. Does anyone have a method they use to nail down the differences?

NOTE: Which of the following = WOTF

I received an automated pop up message regarding some tips before the Nov LSAT- but now I can’t seem to get back to that page. Where can I get those links again?

My application at Uni of Maryland has been in review since September 3. It is now November 5th and I'm wondering if this is normal? I don't think it should take 2 months to read an application but has anyone else experienced this?

Has anyone else applied ED to Georgetown or plan to do so? The website indicates that if you apply ED you should have a decision within 4 weeks!

I received my Oct LSAT score and it was a 151 (PTs were 155-160). This was my 4th time taking the LSAT, and I'm stuck on whether I should apply early or retake in January and apply with the January score. My LSAC GPA is a 2.8, I'm a urm, and will have 2 years of experience by the time I start next fall. Any advice would be appreciated!

I recently took a diagnostic and got a 137 which is the same exact score I got the first time on the LSAT.

So clearly this creates a mental funk with the exam. Any tips?

Hello! Would anyone want to swap their essay with me? I would love your feedback on my supplemental essay!

.#help

For this one, I mapped the stimulus as

/sellout ---> poorly prepared

/SO

poorly prepared (equals to not properly prepared)

Isn't this technically what the question stem is? But how can I match this to AC C, which should be negating necessary condition. Is it permissible to contrapositive it to fit in C? Am I doing something wrong here?

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Hi everyone! I'm Raphael, a manager with 7Sage's tutoring program. I'm joined by manager Scott, and tutors Nick and Aastha. We'll be answering questions about the LSAT for the next two hours, so ask away!

EDIT: And that's a wrap! Thanks everyone for coming. Stay tuned in the next few days for info on our subsequent AMA on November 17 (which will be a live Zoom call)!

I (Raphael) am a 2020 graduate of Georgetown University. I’m involved in running a debate tutoring company that has worked with hundreds of students. I currently live in Taiwan, where I teach debate and am working to build up a debate circuit as a Fulbright scholar. I scored a 174 in October 2020.

Scott has spent the past 12 years in the classroom. He decided to go to law school and made a 180 on the LSAT on his first try in June.

Aastha is a junior at the University of Florida. She is involved at her University’s Mock Trial team, does research in criminology, and is planning on applying to law school in the 2022 cycle. She scored a 173 in June 2021.

After earning his degree in philosophy, Nick hopped around South America for a few years before diving into the world of the LSAT. With targeted studying and practice Nick ultimately scored a 176 on the LSAT (an increase of 15 points from his initial practice test score) and Nick believes that anyone can improve in a big way with a proper approach to studying. When he's not teaching the LSAT, Nick is either building fun computer apps, watching sci-fi movies, running, or long-distance trekking through the mountains.

My goal score is 170 which means -1/-2 in games is pretty important. I can't say I have "mastered" games through and I am nearly done with fresh games from 1-35.

The progress I've made is shocking. I used to go -12+. Now I finish every easy game FAST. Tougher games still trip me up a bit though and focus errors remain leaving me at -4 to -6 on average per section. I am aiming to sit for the test in December so I have time to remain on LG, but I am wondering what the next step is.

I could remain in fool proof mode to repeat games until I reach the next step level in improvement. Or I suppose I could begin adding in timed sections of RC/LR as well to start addressing that before PT phase. Or I could begin PTing non-fresh tests. I used up a bunch of PTs last year (without BRing so they'll probably feel fresh) in my prep and I could use those for PTing.

I was previously scheduled for the Nov. 16th at 5:30 am PST. That was the latest time slot in the morning available by the time I signed in to ProctorU. I just randomly checked ProctorU, and nearly the entire day is open with time slots if anyone wants to reschedule for an ideal test time.✌🏽

Hi everyone! We recently launched an LSAT tutoring program designed to offer coaching and guidance from top instructors. I’m Raphael, and I’ll be doing an AMA with three of my fellow tutors on November 4th. We’re 99th-percentile scorers (with a 180 among us!) who love all things LSAT. We’re excited to answer your questions about the test, our own LSAT journeys, 7Sage’s new tutoring program, and everything in between.

See you Thursday!

See the AMA here (https://classic.7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/30930/lsat-ama-w-7sage-tutors-starting-now-thurs-nov-4-7pm-edt).

Thoughts? App would be complete on Dec 1 when scores are released --

Okay, kind of a long post but I am feeling super discouraged after getting October LSAT results and I'm scheduled to take the November test. I feel like I have gotten the absolute worst luck of the draw on LSATs and can't tell if I'm just being dramatic or not.

I've taken 3 LSATs so far, two of them two years ago, then focused on work until a few months ago when I decided to apply again and took the October 2021 LSAT...here's how each one went:

September 2019: aka PT88 and flowers game, a notoriously hard LSAT, and I was okay with my score considering it was a hard test, but I knew it didn't show my potential so I decided to take the November 2019 test.

November 2019: Show up to the test and the proctors never arrive, so our entire test center gets rescheduled BUT we have to do a paper test. I had not practiced on paper at all since all the tests had moved to electronic, so I ended up scoring 4 points lower because you can't see time remaining and I just wasn't used to the timing of filling out the scantron.

October 2021: I originally sat for the test on Saturday when it was interrupted and I waited 2 hours to be told it was going to be rescheduled. The test I originally had was 2 LG sections, which is my strongsuit, and the easier RC section. When I retook the test, I got back to back RC sections with the scored section (Mali and Paternalism) being the second of the two, as well as the Duets logic game.

I got the same score as my Sep 2019 test...

I just feel like all the tests have been stacked against me and it is so frustrating when some tests feel so unfair. I have been PTing in the low 170s but have had awful luck during all of my actual LSATs. Am I just being dramatic?

How do I stay motivated when it just feels like I'll never get a fair test administration?

Hi everyone,

I'm taking the LSAT on the 12th and I made a routine for myself and I can see why it can help get me in a more reflexive mindset for the day of the test and minimize anxiety. But I was wondering what I should do in terms of LSAT specific work. Should I put in an hour or two at the time that I'll be taking the test each day leading up? I've done about 50 PTs over the past 2.5 months so this would be a significant cutback and I think it might be a good strategy, but I've also heard people say take a few days off each day which I could also see being helpful because I do feel fresher after a couple day break. I'm thinking I might do a couple hours per day for the next 2-3 days, a day off, maybe 1-2 hours for the next 2 days, 2 days off, and then an hour each day the 2 days before the test. Any thoughts on that plan? I've also cut out alcohol and made sure my schedule has meditation and exercise built in which I think will help me. Thanks so much!

One of my biggest weaknesses at Flawed Method of Reasoning is distinguishing between a minor flaw and a major flaw in a stimulus that has multiple flaws, and the answer choices include both flaws. In the explanation video of PT19 S2 Q07, JYP was able to identify the minor flaw by hypothetically eliminating it and seeing if the conclusion is still logical. When it wasn't he identified that flaw as the minor flaw. However, can't this also be used for major flaws? If you eliminate the major flaw, the argument will still not be completely logical because the minor flaw is still there. So, to me it seems like that method does not really distinguish between minor and major flaws because applying it to both types of laws yield the argument as weak in both cases.

I'm really struggling with this and any advice is appreciated!

Admin Note: https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-19-section-2-question-07/

When combining an "all" statement that shares its sufficient condition with the necessary condition of a "most" statement, how do you determine the sufficient/necessary order between the new terms? It's my understanding that this combination of statements would result in a valid "most" statement, but I don't understand which condition becomes sufficient and which becomes necessary.

For instance, if:

A --> B

C (most) -- A

Would the accurate conclusion be C (most) -- B, or B (most) -- C?

Hi everyone,

On the October LSAT, the duet musicians game at the end of the section destroyed me. Normally LG is my strongest section consistently getting 0 to -2 on my PTs. But, for that game I couldn't solve it and ended up randomly guessing for the last 3 questions.

Can anyone recommend challenging games similar to that one from prior PTs? Thank you.

Hey everyone, I wanted to see if anyone could help me out here. I have two very different GPAs, one is a 3.77 UGPA and the second is a 3.62 CAS GPA. Does anyone know if the schools look at both GPAs or do they only look at the CAS GPA? Thank you all and good luck applying.

If I take a PT on lawhub, yet want the results on 7sage, how can I transfer them over? Is the only way to manually "take the test" on 7sage and bubble in my answers from Law Hub?

I am an American studying abroad in the UK, and so I've just taken my exam today. I had wifi issues at my apartment and so I booked a public office space to take the exam. I was pumped and ready to take the exam. ProctorU began demanding I download software that is incompatible with my MacBook (i.e. a .exe file). I was unable to download it and thus unable to connect to a proctor and take my test. Of course I had to call customer service, and the lady ridiculed me and blamed the tech issues on me for being international. I was so flustered, anxious and frustrated. I was ultimately unable to use my own computer and had to borrow a Thinkpad from the public office. The keyboard was British and I spent so much time on my test simply trying to figure out where all of the keys were. On top of this I was too frustrated to focus for the first two sections - I have never felt so bad about a test as I do this one. The reading comp alone probably tanked my score because I kept having to re-read and hold back tears. During my 10 minute break I went to the restroom and cried. The last 2 sections went by okay, because I forced myself to pretend like I wasn't about to break down.

2 years of studying for the LSAT and website and tech issues might be the reason I don't get into the law school of my dreams.

I already filed a formal complaint to retake the exam, no guarantee that it will be granted though.

I am a wreck. I can't believe this is how test day went. 25 prep tests since June and I was averaging a 165 and sometimes higher, but because of what I went through this morning I wouldn't be surprised if I got a 150

It seems as though my time here has officially come to an end. I've spent a lot of time with this test and on this website, and in a sad, mildly sadistic way, I think I'll miss them both. That said, I'm looking forward to enjoying my newfound free time and not dreaming in logic games anymore.

I'll spare you all a lengthy post containing my half-baked LSAT wisdom and will just invite you to PM me if you have questions or would appreciate some of the aforementioned semi-reliable guidance (I can also answer some questions in this thread if y'all have any). Thank you all for your discussion posts, answer explanations, and shared commiseration. The LSAT journey was an arduous one and I know my misery loved your company.

Best of luck to those who will soldier forth in their battle against the test, and a heartfelt congratulations to those who are also bidding a final goodbye to the LSAT.

Hi everyone! I recently got back a 174 on the October LSAT and some people reached out with questions about study tips, so I thought I would type up a comprehensive post about how I approached studying, as well as some section tips. Warning - I tried to be comprehensive but it ended up being super long - if any of it is unclear, definitely ask in the comments or PM me!

STUDY JOURNEY -

I began studying in March - I was home from college because of 'rona, and had a lot of time on my hands, which enabled me to study as my primary activity in addition to classes. My diagnostic was a 160 - I was solid at RC/LR (missing 2 and 5 on LR, and 5 on RC), but much weaker at LG (-10), so I had my work cut out for me. I come from a liberal arts/polisci background, so reading was my strong suit, and anything quantitative or puzzle-oriented was not.

March through May, I just worked through the core curriculum. I took careful notes on paper, and whenever I missed an LR/RC question, I added it to my "Wrong Answer Journal". This was absolutely critical for me - I wrote an in-depth analysis of each choice, why I thought I missed it, one portable takeaway, and what strategy I thought the test-writers were using to make a trap. This took forever, and was boring - but making this (and flipping through it when I was bored/before I went to bed) was incredibly important.

In May, I took my first post-CC PT, and got a 171, and then a 173 - I thought I would have this down in no time. But then my scores dipped, and settled primarily in the high 160s. I was consistently struggling with LG, rarely finishing on time or just getting blown out by hard games. This was where foolproofing came in handy - I created an excel sheet, and tracked my accuracy/time for sections. I would do a section, score it/watch the video, do it again, and then redo it the next day. Then, I'd do it one more time a week from then. I did this daily, with 2-3 sections a day. Doing this method with tests 1-35 (16-35 are CC, and 1-16 I broke into sections) helped me. I plateaued in the high 160s until June, but I eventually broke through it, and fixing LG through foolproofing was a large part of it.

A large part of the plateau was also due to isolated areas in LR/RC. I realized quickly that I was struggling on science passages in RC, and on strengthen/weaken in LR. Using the analytics functioning 7Sage was invaluable here to pinpoint areas of weakness. I then built problem sets focusing on those questions/redid portions of the CC (and, as always, used my Wrong Answer Journal religiously). I also read Loophole, which really helped me for strengthen/weaken.

By the end of June, I was in a pretty good grove - I was mostly in the low to mid 170s. But I would have off days sometimes, and occasionally revert back to high 160s, and never knew why. I signed up for the July LSAT, scored a 180 four days before the test, and assumed I was set. Then, on the first section (RC), I just completely blanked - I had tech issues with my Internet connection and then I just completely lost focus for the rest of the section - I couldn't regain it. I couldn't understand why this happened on the real day - getting flummoxed on section 1. My score came back - high 160s.

I got ready to take it in August - by now, I was PTing a solid 175 average, and figured I just had a bad day. August came and went, and it was similar - I felt jittery and nervous in section one (LG), and it threw me off for the rest of the test. Another high 160s.

I figured at this point that I had a solid grasp of the material - my PTs were high, but something was happening on the real day. What I learned to do here was to study less. I cut back the number of tests I was doing, started taking them as shorter flex tests, and began meditating daily. I also realized that on the real day, I was altering my routine in some ways (extra coffee, studying before the test, etc), and needed to just exactly replicate my practice test routine. I felt more locked in than ever - my PT scores before October were in the 175-180 range with a mode of 177, and relaxing played a key role. On the test day, I pretended it was just a practice test - I woke up, chatted with my family, listened to some Beethoven, and took it. I got a 174, up 5-7 points from my previous two takes, even with a slight test day penalty of 2-3 (sometimes, that penalty just happens on the real day - such is life).

SECTION STRATEGY

For the latter half of my studies, I was mostly in the mid to high 170s (usually around a 175-178 but hit 179/180 5-6 times). This was starkly different than the first half of my studies, which was mostly low 170s (but with some inconsistency and dips into the high 160s) - I think this was due to using a lot of material and, subsequently, creating section strategies that worked for me. What works for you might be different - but experiment! Try new approaches.

I ended up using most of the materials available through 7Sage/LawHub. I did PTs 1-16 as individual sections, 16-35 through the CC, and then 35-89 as full PTs (I skipped around a bit but eventually got to them all). I did 3 tests a week initially (Weds Fri Sun), but cut back to 2 when I started to feel stressed and burned out. Consuming all of this material was essential for me to really gain a level of comfort and familiarity with the test that helped me build section strategies

LG - honestly, nothing fancy here for me. The games repeat over and over again, so the real secret is just doing all of them (or as many as you can). I started out -10 or worse, and got to a consistent -0/-1 just by doing games daily - you can too! In terms of specific strategies, I was always big on splitting into sub gameboards/solving as much upfront as possible. I also would not erase inferences - I would sketch a new board for each question, so I could look back at previous work. I would also begin with questions that fed new rules/conditionals, so I could have more boards available for the open-ended questions without new rules.

For timing, I would try to get game 1 in 5 minutes or less, and then get to game 3 with 22 minutes left on the clock. I always tried to get to game 4 with 13-15 minutes if possible to prevent myself from running out of time (after a few really scary game 4s in some of the 30s/40s, I never wanted to risk not having at least 13-15 minutes for a nightmare game).

LR - this was where developing a timing strategy was essential for me. I never struggled with finishing on time, but I would get stuck on hard questions and fall into a rut, not being able to figure them out. This often happened for hard strengthen/weaken questions. I watched a video on 7sage (I think by @CantGetRight) about timing strategies/post CC exercises, and he recommended a confidence drill where you go through an LR section by mostly just picking your first intuition without checking your work or second-guessing. The objective is to see how accurate you can be, and better test your confidence threshold for a right answer. I tried this, and realized that I was shockingly accurate on questions 1-10 when moving quickly/without second-guessing. I also started to realize that when I skipped a hard question and came back with a fresh perspective, I would be far more likely to get it. This was the basis for my timing strategy - I started speeding up on questions1-10 (30 seconds per question, to finish 10 within 5-6 minutes), and skipping any question once I spent over 45-1:00 on it. The result was that I would finish 14-15 minutes early, but with several (like 5-7) questions flagged that I wanted to spend more time on. I would then have ample time to approach those with a fresh perspective. This helped get me from missing 3-5 to a consistent -0 or -1 on LR by the end of my studies.

RC - This was my worst section by far at the end of my studies - I would go anywhere from -1 to -3, and it just depended on my day (vs a -0 or -1 in LG/LR). While I was a consistent -0 or -1 on LR/LG, RC was always the wild card. But I did improve a bit - I had improvement from the -4/-5 I started and, ultimately, if you want a mid-high 170, it's a game of inches. A few things helped. First, doing more sections. RC is similar to LG in that there is repetition - wrong answer choices are wrong for similar reasons across sections. Wrong answers will often lack textual support and trade on your assumption about a topic, while right answers may pull something from a fragment of a sentence you totally glossed over. Second, pay attention to whether the question is most strongly supported or explicitly stated - if it's the latter, you need to find a line that very, very clearly says the thing - there is not really room for inferences. Third, I spent more time with the passage upfront. I realized that I could breeze through the questions when I really got the passage, so I started reading it twice - first time through I would take notes (summarizing each paragraph and an overall summary of the piece), and the second time through I would just read it without notes to understand tone and the big picture. This would take me around 3 minutes total, but saved time with the questions.

MISC TIPS

1] Don't burn out. I genuinely enjoyed studying for the LSAT, and treated it like a game - LG was a set of fun puzzles, RC was a chance to learn cool new topics, and LR was brain-twister exercises. If I hadn't had fun, I never could have made it through 89 tests worth of material. Yet, I burned out too sometimes - if you find yourself burning out, cut down the number of tests you're doing weekly. Watch a movie, take a day off, etc.

2] Find a study friend! I was fortunate that my best friend was studying for the test alongside me - we took every PT concurrently, and would review together that night - it made the journey so much more fun.

3] Take care of yourself. I was averaging a 174 before my first take, and a 175 before my second take, yet I scored 5-7 points lower on each test. It's because I was stressed out and worried about failing, which resulted in some serious test day penalties - I really recommend meditation, not studying much the week of your test, and treating your real day just like a practice test (don't change your routine at all!)

4] Shake off your off-days/lower PTs. I once got a 180 one test, and a 166 the next. Progress isn't linear, and everyone makes mistakes or has weaker days - getting high scores (and, subsequently, consistent high scores) is really hard, and it won't happen overnight. Give yourself months and a lot of tests to iron out aberrations and find a consistent pattern.

For those of you who got a disappointing score - I was there too. I thought I would never hit my PT average, and that I wasted my time studying. But don't give up - if you got it in practice, you CAN get it on the real day. Just be ruthlessly analytical in figuring out what went wrong, and work to fix it - if you do, it will work out. You're going to be a great lawyer someday, and this test won't stop you. You're going to kill it.