Can it be harmful to take the LSAT twice? I took the flex in July and received a score I am content with. However, I know I can score up to 5-6 points higher but, sometimes I score lower than what i got on my PT as well. My question is if I scored say 3 points lower could this sabotage the score I have already have and do most schools evaluate both scores. I come here because I have seen mixed answers elsewhere.

Hi all!

I feel like I'm stuck in a rut with my studying. I've been FP LG which has been really helpful, but with LR I find myself scoring worse than I did when I first started studying.

What are some specific actions/ methods you used in seeing increases in LR? How did you realize what wasn't working and what did you do to get past it? How does LR studying look for you? Do you take PTs, drill, BR?

I hope to get some inspiration and guidance on how to see consistent improvements. Thanks in advance!

Of course, you can't talk to yourself during an in-person exam with others in the room. But I am wondering if the flex rules might be more lenient with this, since there won't be anyone to disturb. Anyone have insight as to whether talking during the flex is prohibited?

Hi everyone! I registered for august lsat-flex and checked "I need a quiet/private room".

Has anyone had any experience with this "quiet/private room" option? What does the space they provide look like?

Thank you!~

Does anybody want to create a small LSAT Vent group? This is something different than a study group; we wouldn't study topics or questions. Instead, we would:

People could obviously plan study sessions from there if desired. But this space would not be centered on studying, but on simple camaraderie: an outlet for venting, for hold ourselves accountable to personal goals, for celebrating growth, for voicing fears and frustrations, and basically airing out any other LSAT related thoughts with people who are also going through the process.

Probably we should be in a similar boat: I am studying 5-6 days a week, 4-9 hours per day. Reply or message me!

I came across this today and thought it would be a useful resource to share with others: It's a podcast giving tips on applying from the dean of admissions of Harvard and Yale. It hasn't officially started yet, but it's scheduled to start mid-August.

http://yalepodcasts.blubrry.net/category/navigating-law-school-admissions/

Podcast Name: Navigating Law School Admissions with Miriam & Kristi

Hope this is helpful to someone

Hi everyone, so it is taking a great deal of courage to post about this publicly, and I hope I will not be judged. I have been using 7Sage since December (doing it alongside normal college coursework) and took the July Flex exam. Right up to the exam, I was scoring anywhere from 159-163 on PTs. I got a 152 on the July exam and I am crushed, discouraged, and feeling hopeless. Was this just test anxiety? Is there any general advice that anyone can give me? Thank you, feeling down.

Often I take like 1 or 2 sections (timed) and need to take a huge break because I am drained and can't focus on the remaining sections. How do I fix this?

I took the July flex and had a good experience. If you have any questions about the format, proctor experience, etc..., I will answer. I, for obvious reasons, will not speak to specific questions.

Hi guys! I wanted to ask some of you about early vs regular decision deadline. I'm aiming to apply by early decisions deadline (by November) but will that make any difference in scholarships and getting accepted (like a higher chance of getting accepted)? Or is it better to just wait for regular admissions if I know my LSAT score will be higher? I would love to know about any of your experiences on this!!

I’m incredibly grateful to the 7Sage community for helping me get to his point—I’m absolutely thrilled to be attending my dream school. This is a truly wonderful community dedicated to helping each other master what is an intimidating, but surmountable, obstacle. Thank you JY and everyone else for creating such an amazing resource.

I had a lot of trouble with the LSAT. In 2015, I took the test once, cancelled after a bubbling error, and got a 166 on my second attempt. With that score, I got into a number of mid-range T14s, but could never have gotten into a HYS (my uGPA was a 3.91, so I was a splitter). I really wanted to go to HYS so I could have an easier door to legal academia, and I decided to go to graduate school instead for a doctorate (still not finished) with the intention of re-applying to law school eventually.

I half-assed my way through two more takes in the early days of grad school without really studying for the exam: I figured it would just “click” eventually. I got mid-160s both times, and I thought I had doomed myself out of a place like Yale with that number of takes.

In 2019, I finally dedicated myself to making my way through the entire Ultimate+ curriculum and the results showed: I went from the low 160s (my diagnostic after so long away from the test) to a 175 on the July 2019 LSAT. I studied every day for about three and a half months using 7Sage, and drilling everything I would get wrong. I felt incredibly comfortable on test day, because 7Sage had taught me everything I could possibly see on the test. There are only so many forms of questions they can ask, and if you practice all of them enough you will have the time needed to get through the 2-3 curveballs they will throw at you.

There are a lot of big-picture lessons that I took away from my journey to a higher LSAT. JY has already said them numerous times, but it always helps to enumerate them again:

I know that these points might seem obvious, but I can’t emphasize their importance enough. I really struggled to grasp them, but doing so served me well.

The LSAT is hard. Actually, it's really hard. But there is a light at the tunnel, and I hope anyone who is struggling with the test can take some solace in that it eventually does work out. I had one cancelled test and three mid-level scores for a top 3 school before I finally hit that 175. My path wasn’t ideal (don’t take the LSAT 5 times—I think I got lucky here), but it does show that you should keep trying if you are confident you can do better. I knew I could, even when the results strongly suggested otherwise, and I am glad I kept at it until it eventually clicked. Yes, I’m going to law school five years after I planned it, but I would have made this trade when I graduated college, and I am glad it has worked out fairly well in the end. Good luck, and please message me if I can be of help.

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Half of 3 is 1.5 which is less than 2. How is (A) correct?

Hi, any advice on how to best prepare for a retake at the end of August? I think I can do better than my July Flex score which was sub-165. I have done LSAT trainer, skimmed Loophole, and did most of the CC over the last 3 months. I also took PTs 73-89, C2, 61, and 50 (20 PTs) as part of my July prep. My 20 PT avg was 170. My most recent 10 PT avg was 172. Most recent 5 was 174. I diagnosed my July results as caused by a combo of 1) semi-external-being-at-home-factors which I plan to mitigate next time plus 2) nerves plus 3) a tough games section (cabinets...) which sort of mentally rocked me ( I may have gotten more than 5 wrong in LG) having gotten used to the -0/-1 LG feeling plus 4) just not my day.

I plan to drill a hard game problem sets daily (3 star plus games) and drill LR & RC sections. Any other "canonical" advice for re-take refinements for test takers who are pretty close to their ceiling but failed to execute on try 1?

Any advice on which remaining PTs to use as full PTs? I was probably going to only do 71 and 72 (whose games I have unfortunately already seen) in the last ten days or so.

Also, this is just me looking for encouragement/needing gas-up but my PTs do indicate I can do better on this thing, right? sigh... Good luck to everyone prepping for this thing. The highs and lows! Onwards!

Thank you!

Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has any tips for how to prepare immediately before taking a practice test. I feel like if I don't prep a little before taking it, I get tripped up more easily by LR and RC sections. Do any of you do any drills before taking a PT to boost your confidence? If so, what do you do?

Hello, I was wondering if anyone had any tips for improving as well as executing the RC section, thanks in advance!

Hi Everyone,

Application season is upon us (a month away until applications open) and was trying to get a head start. I highly recommend everyone to begin the process for uploading your transcripts. My school uses a specific program called "Parchment" and in the request it asks for the recipients phone number (this being LSAC's phone number). Is there a specific number to put because I can't find one anywhere?

Additionally, I am going to write an addendum to go along with my application. Does anyone know where and how to upload that with your application?

Best,

A fellow

Reading Comp is my worst section by far because I can get lost in the complexity or density of the reading and lose too much time or I can struggle in other ways. What advice does anyone have for doing well on reading? Any secrets I need to focus on to improve?

Say i submit my transcript now before my final year of undergrad and do not apply anywhere until after the first semester, does my transcript automatically update and reflect this upcoming semester, or will i have to resubmit my transcript through LSAC again after the semester in order for it to contain this upcoming semester's grades? Thanks in advance for the replies!

Im just curious if my explanations have ever helped yall. I think ive posted a ton, perhaps the most of anyone Ive seen on the forums of explanations for questions.

Do you all find them helpful?

I am having an incredibly hard time trying to digram the logic.

I diagramed the third sentence as follows:

/Profit Making ----> subsidy support (outside control)

The last sentence was the hardest for me to diagram. "No one will subsidize honest journalism"

No= G4=negate, necessary

Two ideas:

willing to subsidize??

honest journalism

honest journalism ----> /willing to subsidize

I think part of my confusion with this last sentence is trying to figure out what the two distinct ideas are.

I am also having a hard time trying to figure out how the third sentence and fourth sentence are linked together. I thought the correct answer was A.

Thanks in advance!

Planning on taking the August Flex. Really want to improve on LG. How did you guys finish the LG Curriculum section? Did you foolproof each game 10 times in a day? If so how long was it since you seen improvements?

Please help!! I feel like I don't have structure when it comes to finishing the lessons for LG and practicing before August test date.

Has anyone noticed the "Some...." as a cookie-cutter trap answer choice for tougher strengthening/weakening questions?

(Disclaimer - I don't think this would work all of the time; and would actually love to look at counterexamples if anyone has any). But I think it might merit some additional attention/scrutiny if you are going to select an AC to strengthen or weaken an argument and all you have in your pocket is a some statement - kind of like going into battle with a BB Gun.

I think the reason for this is that some statements are inherently weak (or NOT powerful, in Loophole terminology). Some could be 1 out of 100 or 4 out of 2 trillion and unless the conclusion is conditional claiming that all As are Bs then its probably won't do much to claim that some As are /Bs. I could see this being particularly the case for causal arguments when there are potentially multiple and countervailing factors at play (as there almost always are).

For example, prolonged exposure to sun without sunscreen is known to cause skin cancer. If we wanted to weaken this argument for example, "some people who go to the beach everyday and never wear sunscreen will NEVER develop skin cancer". Well of course! There are always going to be a couple outliers but that doesn't wreck the fact that one thing (prolonged exposure to the sun without sunscreen) causally contributes to another thing (skin cancer).

I also think that the same reason that some statements make them incorrect (they are indefinite, vague and inherently weak) also make them appealing. After all, some could mean 99.99% but that requires the additional (and unwarranted) assumption.

Can anyone else validate this reasoning or rip it apart with an accompanying explanation? :)

I have been studying on and off for about a year and a half. My initial diagnostic was a 150. I recently graduated with a 3.91 as a Philosophy major and I worked while in school full time, so I studied for the LSAT when I had the time. I took the June 2019 test since we could cancel it after seeing out score, and I ended up cancelling (151). Initially, I wanted to go straight to law school from undergrad, but decided its best to take a year off and work and give myself a little extra time to study. I am registered for the August flex test, but I am really stressed and discouraged because my score isnt improving. The most recent flex practice tests I took were both 155. I really want to go to a T14, and every other component of my application is very strong. I am a URM, great personal and diversity statement, and a strong GPA. The LSAT is the only thing holding me back. Getting a 165 would make me a strong splitter, so that is my new goal (initially I was aiming for a 170).

I dont want to take another year off, but i really dont know how I can improve 10 points in less that 28 days while working full time as a paralegal. I want to apply as early as possible to improve my chances, so I am planning to send in my application mid to late September. I am contemplating also registering for the October LSAT and taking that if my August score is not good...but regardless, how can I improve 10 points when in a year and a half I barely improved 5? In my untimed sections I always feel confident about most of my answers, yet I still miss a good amount of them. It is very frustrating. I average -8 LR, -10 RC and -7 LG. English is also my second language and while that was never an issue in school, it seems to be a barrier here for some reason.

I started my studies off with 7sage a year ago, went through the CC but found that it didnt help me too much at the time. I then went through the Powerscore LR and LG books, which helped me build a stronger understanding of the basics, especially for LG. I drilled linear questions for LG, which helped as well. Since then, I have been doing timed and untimed practice tests(about 4 so far), but im not sure what else I can do to help isolate the main issue. I think improivng my LG will be the easiest, and RC the hardest. LR is what is tripping me up because I feel pretty confident when answering the questions, but obviously something isnt clicking. Through BR and looking back at the answers, I usually see where I went wrong with missing small details or inferences, but even if I understand that question, I continue to make similar mistakes on the next prep test. Essentially, I am looking for any advice at all for how some of you overcame a plateau, especially breaking into the 160s.

Sorry that this turned into a mini rant lol, I just feel very lost and discouraged and I really really want to go to a T14. Any help is REALLY appreciated.

I want my law application to highlight my work experience since it's an area of strength for me. Because of this, I want to ask my employer for a reference. However, I plan to continue working at my current job for the next year before starting school and am nervous that asking for a reference from my workplace could result in reduced opportunities at work or employment risk for me. I could, however, ask for a reference from a client executive I know well who recently left the company for another opportunity. How would it be perceived to submit a reference letter from a past executive from my company, rather than a current one? Also, does anyone have experience asking for a reference from a current employer who does not yet know that you plan to leave the company?

Hi 7Sage!

So Logic Games is my worst section in terms of reading the stimulus and rules and then articulating in writing the games onto a diagram on paper. My PTs score are highly affected by my inability to perform well on LGs. So as many people suggest, I printed out all the Logic Games from 6-35 (I already did PTs 1-5) and plan on working on those and foolproofing them. The problem is this process takes awhile, and i'm worried that just focusing on LG might affect my RC and LR studies. But I am desperate to improve my understanding of LGs.

My question is: should I take a month or two to just focus on PT LGs 6-35 with no PTS to improve my LG score, or just do some LGs here and there while still taking PTs?

(Btw, I do work full time from 8-5)

Thank you!!!