Is it okay to take a break from lsat studying for a month to commit to other things ? Do you guys think I will lose the flow or the logics of everything I’ve learned so far ? Been studying since October 2019

I only got to the Logic Games section of the Core Curriculum two days ago, and I just finished Problem Set 4. The problem sets on the CC are all 2 games each, which should be done in 17.5 mins. However, I'm getting them done in like 30 mins which is way over the time limit, but I've gotten all the answers right (every single one) and my methodology is right.

Is it bad it's taking me this long to do them (as I only recently started), or am I expected to be doing them within the lsat time period (17 mins) as a beginner? Will my timing improve as I go on? I'm worried.

Hi! I live in downtown Chicago. Looking for others in the area to study with :) I got a 151 on my diagnostic for reference. Aiming for 165-170.

Hi All,

I'm two weeks into the CC 7sage Premium course. Whilst, I am finding it very helpful, I understand that the arduous exercises assumes a level of time not everyone has. I am sitting an LSAT at the end of March and I know I may only get through the CC with a week to spare.

Hence, would it be best for my improvement to just start taking PTs alongside the CC work now?

There is another LSAT at the end of June that I may take, however, the underlying issue here is that I just won't be sure where I'm at bc I am not doing PTs or at least timed sections.

For context, I am currently taking gap year, I finished my Bachelor's last year and did a lot of things out side of study (except for go overseas) so I am hoping to spend at least 3 months overseas this year so I can come back refreshed for Law - which I expect to be difficult.

Cheers,

Conor

So I recently got into a law school with the Dean's Merit Scholarship, which would cover about 60% of the tuition (not sure if I'll be getting need-based from them or not). I am above their 75% LSAT, below the GPA median. Beforehand, I'd gotten into a law school ranked about 20 places higher and one I really want to go to, but they didn't offer any merit scholarships, just a little need-based $. For this school, I'm above their LSAT median but below the GPA median. Could I leverage my scholarship from the lower-ranked school to ask for more money from the higher-ranked one?

Thanks in advance!

Hello all!!

After receiving a 169 on the January LSAT (thank you 7sage!) I am now in the position where I may need to decide between the 5 law schools I applied to in Ontario (U of T, Osgoode, Queen's, Western and U of Ottawa). I am wondering if any fellow Canadian 7sagers have come across any good resources for comparing the programs at these schools.

My interest lies more in the realm of public interest law and I am worried about ending up at a school that focuses too much on corporate law (I have heard this is the case with Western and U of T). I am also worried about writing these options off before really understanding the programs.

Posting on the off chance any fellow Canadians have heard first hand or have experienced themselves the realities of a law degree at any of these institutions.

Thank you!!

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I just finished the CC and am beginning to foolproof games as they are by far my weakest subject (-9 to -13 on a mid-160 test). Unfortunately, I am out of games from the CC to drill and I would like to save as many PT's as possible as I plan to study for at least another six months to a year. Is there any resource for getting the games from PT 1-35 that doesn't include paying for the upgrade to ultimate+? I heard there used to be a LG bundle but LSAC took it away. Any help would be appreciated, thank you!

So the title's a bit of an exaggeration, but in a funny ironic way learning logic games actually did serve to better my marriage and family life. I'm a non-traditional student with a 1 year old, a pregnant wife with another on the way in May (yay us!) and I'm trying to balance full-time work + 20 hours of studying a week + "us time" + her time + me time + family time. Whew!!! What the heck have I gotten myself into...

My spouse and I are trying to figure out how to fit all these needs into certain time slots and I think wait: we have 5 things we need to fit into 8 hours on Saturday and Sunday? SOUNDS LIKE A GROUPING GAME!!!! She shakes her head and laughs at the nerdiness. But alas!! We write out the 8 hour time slots we have Saturday and Sunday to fit in time for her, time for me, time for us, time for family and time for studying (5 game pieces) into 8 hours over 2 days. She gets 2 hours (block of 2), I get 1 floating hour (floater), and "us time" has to be either Saturday evening or Sunday morning (but not both). Family time is a floating 2 hour block and if I study Saturday, I don't study Sunday (what's the contrapositive? Sunday -> /Sat). And it worked!!!! Tah-dah, we fit everyone's needs into a small time-frame and we can make adjustments easily due to the gameboard we made. Nerdiness for the win.

So this is pretty funny in that I'm applying what I've learned from Logic Games to real life, but I've actually learned a lot from studying for this test. I'm really thankful for what I've learned on this journey and I'm thankful I've gotten to learn from y'all on the forums and in person!!!!!!!

Best of luck to all of us.

Mark

This March 30th will be my third attempt at the LSAT. My previous attempt saw no raise in my previous score. Even though i thought that i studied a fair bit throughout the summer plus throughout the closing months of the year. My main focus over the summer was logic games, but then when the test came around i got 1 logic game section and 3 LR sections. The previous test that i took was the November test and before that the test i took was October almost a year before.

Right now my main focus is everything. There are about 40 Days until the test and im still not confident. In hardly any section. I do the timed sections of LR, ive just adapted the circle method and going through the whole section over again trying to make sure i have every answer right but i seem to be falling for the same traps.

I feel as if once i hit question 14 of every LR section i get 3/4 of the questions wrong from there on out. I am struggling to get 15/25 correct on these LR sections. Even when i double down and think that my answer was the correct answer most of the time im wrong, especially past question 13 or 14. Its really killing my confidence.

I'm genuinely scared of whats to come, i wanted to start Law School this September as i graduated undergrad this past semester.

How long are people studying per day, I have been doing 3-4 hours a day, but the lack of improvement is getting in my head.

Should i just keep brute forcing these LR sections doing the circle method or the blind review method i think he calls it and hopefully get better? How often do you guys take full tests and how many should i be doing.

I just want to get into a groove where i can take a practice test or two a week and be happy with my score.

When I took the July test, I received a digital exam. I don't own a tablet, so prior to the exam I had practiced using the digital interface provided by LSAC but on a laptop (yes, this was before I had 7Sage - that was my first mistake!)

I guess I didn't think about the fact that highlighting / underlining is much easier when you can actually click or use a touch pad on a laptop than when you're using an unfamiliar tablet on the exam. Consequently, I spent a good bit of time in the RC section trying desperately to highlight and underline things since that was the method I was familiar with. This was another big mistake because RC is my toughest section to finish and that time lost was really valuable.

I'm retaking on the 22nd, and in my practice I've just decided that it isn't even worth it to try to highlight or emphasize things using the tools provided in the interface during the actual test and I've practiced with just doing my high / low res outlines on paper instead.

Has anyone else had this experience?

Hello all,

I've been attacking logical reasoning pretty intensely lately and blind reviewing most, if not all of my timed sections. On my good days I am scoring about 17 correct. Today I scored 20/26, which I am very happy with. However this +20 isn't consistent for me. I would say I'm usually scoring ~17/~18 more often than +20. I'd like to make the +20 consistent. Aside from BR, which I am doing, do any of you have any other suggestions to break through LR? In an ideal world I would be getting them all right but I'll settle for +20 on exam day.

Recently I started reviewing my old wrong answers more regularly. To do this, I print out a fresh copy of the test, cut out all of the questions I circled, which indicates the questions I struggled with while the clock was running. I also cut out all of the questions I got wrong. After I have my stack of issue questions, I review them again and try to answer them on my own and write down the explanation or something that I missed initially, on the back. Then, I put them all in a zip lock bag. Before I go to work and before I get home, I select a handful and review them leisurely for 10-15 minutes. I have only been doing this for a few days but I am hoping that I will find it helpful over the next couple of weeks.

I also started a "wrong answers" journal. Here I will usually write down my reasoning for picking certain answers that ultimately end up being wrong, and then I write the explanation and try to identify patterns in my poor decision making. In doing so I have found some trends. For instance, in the past I used to pick the answer choice that strengthened the argument for necessary assumption questions or MSS, for some reason. Now I don't. But this method combined with cutting out my issue questions has only made a tiny dent in my progress.

Something I have noticed is, when I am scoring 17-20 right, I get 9-10 correct of the first 10. However, I'm only getting to 21-22/25-26 questions and I'm blind guessing on the 3-4 that I do not have time for. Of these 3-4 that I do not have time for, I usually get 2-3 correct during my blind review. I will say that I am slow when answering the first 10 questions. I spend about 13-15 minutes on the first 10. I'm trying to shave this down to 10-12 minutes but I'm struggling to do so. I have found that I get hung up on 1-2 during the first 10, either because I am misreading something or because the language and wording is convoluted and trips me up mid way and then causes my delay. This seems inevitable but perhaps there is a way around this? I have tried skipping these in the past but it only gives me anxiety later on because I'm worried I skipped an easy question.

Lastly, my blind review scores are usually between 20-23 ish.

Anyone know of any additional resources or advice that really helped push them over the edge on their LR success? I'm very desperate to keep improving on LR since it has been my biggest weakness on the exam and my journey to improve on this section has been a very slow and painful one.

Thanks in advance for any advice you may have.

I've been scoring 165-169 for the past month and I'm trying to change how I approach studying to score in the 170s.

My splits usually are -4 LR / -2 or -3 LG / -3 RC

Anyone scoring similarly want to team up?

Hello,

I am behind my schedule due to the difficulty of lsat test and limited time i have every day. I am on the week 5 of 7sage program right now and I would like to get some advice for studying effectively.

I see that 7sage starts practice tests from 1997 (1 test) and further 2001 (1test as well) in the Study Schedule. However, there are so many tests beginning from 1991. When it is the best time to do these tests starting from 1991?

Is it effective to start practice tests alongside with learning basics of each section, or better to do it after learning all the theory?

Thank you

I've been studying for about a year now but joined 7Sage only about 6 months ago, which is also when I really started to take studying more seriously. I work full time so it took me a while to finish CC but I've now moved on to practice tests. Besides my diagnostic, I've only taken 3 PTs scoring an average of 152 timed, and a 162 BR. I'm aiming for a 165 on the April LSAT but starting to question whether that's enough time to improve my score for a 165. I've already pushed the test date twice because I did not feel ready and knew I would just be rushing to finish the CC. In doing this I decided to delay a cycle so I could focus on getting my best score possible (I'd ultimately like to score 170+).

My worst section is definitely LR (Yes, I have been BRing). For LG I sometimes panic under time pressure/scramble and so I don't get to every game but I plan on fool proofing games until I'm blue in the face. I'm wondering if I should just delay again (really giving LSAC all my money doing this) and give myself the time to get to 170+ on the first try, or if I should still aim for 165 on the April test and at least have one under my belt to get a feel for actually test day.

Any advice would be much appreciated!

For those that retake, how should you pick a section to retake? For example, if you wanna do an LR section, which retake should you do? I assume something farther back so you dont necessarily just remember the answer right away?

Maybe some of the harder sections?

Hello everyone, I just wanted some advice on score fluctuations. So I have an average PT score of 162, and I never really go below that. But on some days I'll suddenly spike up to 167/168 seemingly out of nowhere. What's even stranger is on the days where I feel the least confident and feel unfocused during the test are the days I score the highest. Does anyone have any idea why this is or maybe has had experience with this themselves? I would like to consistently score at these high scores instead of just having random bursts.

Thank you for your time.

If I negate "all", it becomes "not all." But doesn't "not all" imply two distinct possibilities, namely, "some" and "none"? If I negate the statement "all turtles are slow" as "it is not the case that all turtles are slow." Can't it either mean "some turtles are not slow" (there is at least one turtle that is NOT slow out of all the turtles on this earth) or "none of the turtles are slow" (they are ALL FAST AND FURIOUS BEASTS.) When I negate a conditional statement in LSAT, should I be mindful of these two distinct possibilities?

Any reply is welcome.

Thanks.

Tell me if this scenario sounds familiar. You are humming along in a Logical Reasoning question. You think AC D might be the right answer choice and then you get to AC E and it looks equally as promising. You furl your brow and try to decide which one of them is correct but you are drawing blanks. 5 seconds turns to 10, and all of a sudden a spike of anxiety hits. You are sure AC’s A, B and C are non contenders but for the life of you, you just cannot decide between D and E. You’re down to two, what do you do? (D2TWYD?)

I would say this happens to a lot of us as we progress through our LSAT Journey. Often times people on forums or group chats even mention this directly when they are seeking advice on how to improve their LR Scores. They will offer some variant of the following statement: “I’m often stuck between 2 answer choices and I tend to pick the wrong one” as a reason for their lack of improvement. I’m writing this post for the many people who find themselves in this situation. I want to outline some strategies on how to maximize your chances of getting the right answer.

One Unique Correct Answer:

Say you are in your school library, trying to study for the LSAT when all of a sudden you hear a little squeak. You look at the floor and you spot a rat trying to eat your backpack. As the good conscientious student that you are, you grab a piece of your lunch and you lure the rat outside of the library where it can be free to harass the annoying philosophy majors sitting outside staring at clouds. Taken in isolation, what you did here is a good thing. You found a rat, and you dealt with it. But if this happens 5 or 10 times,you’ve got real issues. Your library is infested with rats and you probably contracted the bubonic plague. Compare that to D2TWYD? The two scenarios share a similarity in that dealing with one or two may be fine, but dealing with them consistently is a symptom of major foundational problems.

There is one unique correct answer to every LR question on the LSAT. So, if you tell me there here are 2 equally tempting answer choices, that tells me that your understanding of the question and stimulus is severely lacking. The best way to deal with D2TWYD is to NOT put yourself in this situation to begin with. If you find yourself consistently here what you may want to do is to devote extra time to studying the stimulus, coming up with potential pre-phrases ( this is your best attempt at trying to come up with a plausible solution to the question ) before you head to the Answer Choices. I understand the temptation, the answer choices are where the points are after all. Why wouldn’t you want to tackle them right away? The issue is, if you haven’t fully analyzed the stimulus in your head and digested all the implications then you are basically doing a POE exercise. POE is always your last resort, it is not an efficient use of time and can lead you to being seduced by attractive wrong answer choices. Take the time to study and fully understand the stimulus before proceeding to the answer choices, an extra 15-20 seconds spent upfront can save your minutes of pain down the road.

Down to two, what do I not do?

Despite our best efforts we will occasionally still find ourselves in the precarious position of having to choose between 2 equally temping answer choices. Before we tackle the specific strategies, I think it is wise to go over something we should not do. If you are DT2WYD what you SHOULD NOT DO is get inside your own head. What do I mean by this? You shouldn’t spend too much time THINKING OF REASONS about which answer choice is right. Instead if you are unsure you should be SEARCHING FOR EVIDENCE to back up either of the two answer choices. The correct answer choice is not going to reveal itself in your brain . The key to finding the right answer lies either in the STIMULUS or through dedicated and specific analysis of the ANSWER CHOICES. Retreating into your own head will result in precious seconds lost, and these losses are insidious because unless you video record yourself doing the PT chances are you may even not even notice you did it. If you do this enough times over the course of a section, 15 seconds here, 20 seconds there, the rats start to pile up and all of sudden you are completing one or two questions less per section. If you are down to 2 answer choices, what you don’t do is just mindlessly think of a reason why one or the other is correct…I want you to be actively searching for evidence to support an answer choice!

So what DO I do?

Now that we’ve gone over what you shouldn’t do let's talk about what we should be doing. There are generally two reasons why you are DT2WYD? The first is you’ve not fully understood the stimulus or one of the answer choices. Either you rushed through the stimulus and missed something or this is a curve breaker question and the stimulus and answer choices are intentionally misleading. Regardless of which scenario you find yourself in, you will have two choices at this point. You can realize your predicament and skip the question (which if you read my last post in this series you know I always support) or you can take this as a sign that you should go ahead and re-read the stimulus to see what you’ve missed. If you decide to take the 2nd option you should have a general idea of what to look for. Here’s a list that may help if you don’t.

If there is a conclusion focus on how the conclusion and the premises are related to each other.

Often times the gap between the premise and conclusion is the key to unlocking the correct answer choice. Look for key modifier words that you may have missed that changes the meeting of a premise or conclusion just enough that it made one of your answer choices seem attractive when it’s really a dud. The LSAC will lay traps like this all the time, it punishes careless reading with trap answer choices designed to capture those who are not 100% on task when reading the stimulus.

Focus on any assumptions you may be bringing to the question.

When we are stuck on a question, sometimes the culprit is not necessarily what’s in the stimulus. It’s what’s not in the stimulus or answer choice that we are bringing in with our heads. If it’s not in the stimulus or in the answer choice we cannot (with very few exceptions that are tied to ‘common sense’ type assumptions) bring it in as evidence to support an answer choice. If you can identify an assumption you bring in (and this will be hard in real time) that will help you eliminate one of your choices.

Special Situation: Necessary Assumption

If you are DT2WYD on a necessary assumption question there are a couple things to look for.

Special Situation: Twins

Sometimes you get DT2WYD and the two remaining answer choices seem very similar. This tends to be a good sign because usually (unless the LSAT is being ESPECIALLY Tricky) this means you are on the right path towards finding the correct answer to this question. In this scenario what I suggest you do is to hone in on the DIFFERENCES between the two answer choices. Remember there is one unique answer choice. So it’s in how the two are different from each other, and how that difference RELATES BACK TO THE STIMULUS AND QUESTION AT HAND where you’ll find the evidence for support/elimination of one of the answer choices.

Special Situation: Conditionals:

If both your answer choices contain conditionals chances are they may even be contrapositives of each other. Go back to the stimulus and figure out which version you need. DRAW THEM OUT. Some people think diagramming conditionals takes too much time, but the alternative s trying to figure it out in their head and for the vast majority of people this process is slower and much more prone to error. If you are not confident enough to draw out conditionals, I question whether you are truly in a position to be writing the LSAT. Drill Drill Drill until you are.

Ace in the Hole: Loophole

I saved this for last because not everyone has read Ellen Cassidy’s Loophole. If you haven’t and you are trying to improve your performance on the LSAT I highly suggest you pick it up. But if you have read the book, you can also apply Ellen’s Provable/Powerful dichotomy to the answer choices. Based on the question type, you can see if you can eliminate a provable answer choice to a powerful question or vice versa. This is something you want to pull out if you get stuck, it will do in a pinch if you are running out of time. This is a tool that people who did not read Ellen’s book do not have, so use it to your advantage! It's a valuable tool in your tool kit.

So there you have it, a rough guide on how to handle the dreaded down to 2, what do I do Scenario. You can also use this on it’s much meaner cousin: Down to 3, woe is me scenario. This is by no means a complete document, and I welcome anyone else who has tips to post them below. Let’s make this a living and breathing post guys so that future 7sagers can make use of our knowledge.

Hey everyone! So I started 7Sage almost a months ago. My syllabus requires me to complete 15-20 hours of studying per week. When I first saw this, I thought it was a manageable study goal. However, I fell behind on this schedule and now I'm having trouble getting back on track. I'm about 2 weeks behind on my study schedule even though I've been studying for several hours everyday. The thing is that even though a curriculum may be 3 hours long, or I plan to complete 2 hours of it, I will usually spend longer hours studying a particular concept just to understand it. I've quickly come to learn that just because a curriculum is 5 hours long, doesn't mean I will comprehend it in 5 hours. For this reason, I have fallen behind. I'm aiming to take the LSAT in July. I know that this is many months away, but I still don't want to fall behind on the core curriculum.

Has this happened to any of you? if so, what do you do to prevent falling behind and/or to catch up? Thanks in advance!

How can I solve the above problem?

Thank you.

Hi everyone. I took the January test and got a 157. After much consideration, I have decided to retake the test in October. My target score is somewhere between the mid 160s and 170. Is there a chance that I could improve my score significantly if I study 2hrs on weekdays and for about 6hrs on weekends?

J.Y. and the LSAT are my partners for today lol

Good luck studying yall

I'm constantly getting tripped up over some of the language in Method of Reasoning answer choices. Can someone dumb down the explanation of "an overly broad generalization" for me?

In my head, this is a statement about ALL of something based on ONE example. Whenever I see this in an answer choice I get really insecure and am hesitant. But because it "sounds good" and "applicable" I pick it under time pressure, which is not always the smartest thing to do.

So, during this video JY says that answer choice A is wrong because of the strict standards of a must be true question. I was just wondering if A. would be correct if it was a MSS question. Basically, if I still have to make a bigger assumption than is warranted for a MSS. https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-86-section-4-question-20/

If we are told, as X increases Y increases. Can we infer that as Y increases X increases?