Hi there,

I spent end of 2018 + most of 2019 going through Powerscore, Manhattan, and other LSAT books. I got into 7Sage toward the end of 2019 with the Ultimate subscription, and I recently finished the core curriculum with all of the practice sets. Previous to 7Sage, I probably took about 10 PTs untimed and timed.

A while back, I remember taking a diagnostic, which was around 158 timed (170 BR). My target score for the LSAT is 170 - 175. I just took the June 2007 LSAT to see how much I improved from my previous score, prior to 7Sage core-curriculum. Mainly just seeing if the BR score jumps up.

But I am pretty worried about my progression... I have been watching webinars and listening to 7Sage podcasts to hear that, many of the sages took 30 - 40 timed PTs prior to maxing out their scores.

If I use that as a benchmark, with 1 PT per week, I won't get there until September - November of 2020. That puts me around the October 2020 LSAT to aim for. But is that too late?

Right now, it looks like I spend about 20 - 25 hours per week, with timed PT on Saturday and Monday - Thursday dedicated for BR, MM, and FP. Friday is dedicated to look at archived problems that I had trouble with. I know it may be silly to focus on the total number of timed PTs, but should I change my current approach somehow to fit in more than 1 PT per week?

Thank you!

Hey everyone,

I was just curious if there was a way to download the explanations/ videos so that I can use/watch them while out of internet range. I will be heading to Baffin island for work and will not have any access to anything remotely close to the online-digital-sphere!!

Any advice?

Hello everyone!

I am nearing the end of my prep, I will be taking the LSAT for the first time in April. In order to both help fine-tune some of my own test-taking strategies as well as to give back to the 7sage community that has done so much for me, I would like to offer free tutoring to a few students. It will be first-come first-served and I won't be able to take too many individuals at this point due to my schedule. However, if you are interested, please send me a DM with information regarding what times work best for you and any particular issues you are having that you would like to address.

I have been working with @Sami for awhile now and she has been tremendously helpful for my prep. I started out studying for this test a little over 2 years ago with a 147 diagnostic. I tried the powerscore bibles and got nowhere with them. After coming to 7sage and going through the CC with a fine-tooth comb, I began to average in the mid/upper 160s. However, at this point I hit a wall. I spent months taking PTs and dutifully blind reviewing them but getting nowhere. It was at that point that I started working with Sami consistently on timing and she straightened me out. It took months of working on timing strategies, but I finally began to break 170 consistently.

At this point, I'm averaging scores in the lower 170s with a typical break down of -5/6 between the two LR sections, -3 in RC, and -0/-1 in LG. I am trying to really get my timing even better and begin to more comfortably average in the mid-upper 170s. In general, I am looking for students who are scoring in the mid/upper 160s and are trying to work on their timing strategies in order to break the dreaded 170 barrier. Im happy to help with work on any section. I look forward to working with you!

Regards,

James

I am currently struggling to move past the CC lessons on valid argument forms. With the use of flashcards, I have been able to memorize what the abstract form of each valid argument form looks like. For example, if I am given the premise A-->B and the conclusion B some C, I automatically know that the missing premise needed to restore this argument to validity is A --> C. However, when I see this same valid form in English as opposed to logic I compltely freeze. I have tried writing out my own English statements for each of the valid argument forms. Doing this helped me see how cookie-cutter the valid argument forms are. However, I feel like once I see these argument forms on the LSAT it will not be as cookie-cutter. For example, I recently realized that when I was writing out my own English statements I had failed to take into account that the fact that you can move around premises and still get a valid argument form. For example:

Premise 1: O→K

Premise 2: J‑m→O

Conclusion: J‑m→K

By simply looking at this argument's abstract form, I know that it's a valid argument. It embodies valid argument 5. In the example above, A‑m→B was switched into premise 2 and B→C was switched into premise 1. However, when I see this switch being applied in English, my brain turns into mush. Continuing with the example from above, the English translation would sound something like:

All octopuses are kind. Most people named James are octopuses. Most people named James are kind.

Octopuses= O

Kind=K

James=J

Right??

I am aware that on the LSAT, the topics in the stimulus questions that require your understanding of validity are going to be a lot more challenging. That's why I am looking to get some insight in terms of how to solve this issue. I really appreciate your time!

I recently bought an iPad to practice logic games on. However, when I download the PDF and try to start drawing on it on my iPad, a message pops up saying:

“Without the owner password, you do not have permission to save this document. Enter the owner password to unlock saving.”

Has anyone run into this problem? Does anyone know the password? (It’s not the password used to view the pdf on the 7sage site)

Hi all,

Wanted to say a quick hello again from 1L at Northwestern. For those of you going through the admit/decision process right now (which is already a stressful time), I know that the covid19 situation isn't helping anything. I've seen that several ASWs have been canceled. I don't have any official word on NU's yet, but I would not be surprised if ours is too.

That said, for anyone who is considering NU but unable to make the trip for any reason, I want to try to be a resource. You are welcome to PM me and I promise to be as candid as possible about my impressions of the school and answer any questions that I can. If ASW is canceled, I would guess that Admissions will also do what they can to help students make an informed decision, but throwing my hat in the ring as a resource.

This semester is a little bonkers (as is all of law school lol), so I may not get back right away but I will do my best to help! I know how stressful this decision was for me, and can only imagine how much harder it may be without being able to visit.

Good luck to you all, whether you're in the midst of LSAT studying or making a school decision!

A summary of the email we received from LSAC:

*March LSAT administrations canceled in: South Korea, Thailand, Japan, Hong Kong, and China

*March North America administrations proceeding as usual, but might cancel if situation deteriorates.

*Any test taker currently registered for the March 2020 LSAT may switch to the April 2020, June 2020, or July 2020 test by 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time, on Friday, March 20, at no additional charge.

*March test takers will be allowed to wear nose and mouth masks and to bring hand sanitizer.

Full text of email:

All of us at LSAC are saddened by the Coronavirus outbreaks affecting numerous countries around the world and numerous areas of the United States. We are working with global, national, and local officials to comply with local health directives and guidance, while striving to address the needs of test takers and schools.

We recognize that candidates may have questions about how the Coronavirus outbreak will affect upcoming LSAT administrations. We have created a Coronavirus resource page on our LSAC.org website to provide the latest information and answers to frequently asked questions. We will be updating this page whenever new information is available, and we hope that it is a helpful resource for you as you advise your students. We would welcome any feedback and any additional questions you or your students have.

The March 30 LSAT in the United States and Canada is currently scheduled to proceed as planned, although the situation could change depending on updates and guidance from local or national health authorities. Similarly, the international LSAT administrations in late March are scheduled to proceed as planned, except for South Korea, Thailand, Japan, Hong Kong, and China, where we had to cancel due to the Coronavirus situation. Should it become necessary to close or move any additional test centers, we will communicate directly with affected candidates and work to reschedule them to another date.

Given the uncertainties around the Coronavirus outbreak, we are extending the date change deadline and waiving date change fees for the March LSAT. Any test taker currently registered for the March 2020 LSAT may switch to the April 2020, June 2020, or July 2020 test by 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time, on Friday, March 20, at no additional charge. We are communicating this new date-change policy directly to all March registrants and encourage you to share it with your students you advise as well.

We also have revised our test day rules in response to the Coronavirus situation, to allow test takers to wear nose and mouth masks and to bring hand sanitizer, if they wish.

For more information about these policy changes, or any other Coronavirus issues, please refer to our Coronavirus resource page.

We will continue to monitor the Coronavirus situation closely and take appropriate actions in accordance with the guidance of public health authorities to ensure the health and well-being of test takers and to provide every opportunity for students to complete their law school admission journeys. Please let us know if you have any questions, and thank you for the invaluable support you provide to students and candidates during such a challenging time.

Hi Everyone,

I just signed up for the 3 month plan. I got a 155 on my last LSAT and want to get it up 10 points.

I am confused on how to use 7sage. Do I follow the syllabus (it shows way more drills, and examples) or do I follow the Study Guide?

HELP!

sorry for the crazy title, really need help

So I came into studying about 6 months ago with a goal of 167+

Ive been hitting that goal score now under timed conditions doing 2 sections a day for some tests and full tests for others

Scores have been (in order)

75 - 167

58 - 168

42 - 167

43 - 168

44 - 160 (gave up cause frustrated at a game)

45 - 170

46 - 166

47 - 168

48 - 168

49 - 167

50 - 168

51 - 169

77 - 170

As far as how many PTS left, i have all except one of the 80s. And from 54-80 I have all of the evens.

im doing some retakes here and there some days just to keep my mind fresh, and ingrain the logic while learning some new things because I dont remember all the questions considering Ive done em months ago.

How should I prepare for the march 30th exam? Should I take even more PTS cause I have recent ones? Ive heard that maybe I should do one-two more recent ones and end it on a GOOD note, like a score im happy with so im confident into test day.

i dont want to burn too many tests, yet i also want to make sure im fully prepared. I dont want to burn out, yet i want to make sure im doing everything i can to get a high score

For reference, march 30th will be my first take and im prepared to take it in july and september for next cycle as well. With taht in mind, im not sure how many more tests I should do. I also want to make sure i dont "forget" how to do anything until march 30th, obviously. Sorry for long post, please help!!!

Hi all... new here. Hoping to get some feedback on my plan. I don't have much in the way of peer applicants/mentors and would like to get some good eyes on this.

Applied with a cold 158 from the July '19 LSAT and didn't give it much more thought. Cycle outcomes thus far seem to indicate significantly better outcomes would be in range with a better score (acceptances up to BC and WL's at CLS, Cornell, USC, UCLA, WUSTL, etc.). Found 7sage and began the CC on 2/1. Am now doing the PTs, having completed 36-38 with the following results:

PT 36 161/BR172 LR -8/-3 RC -1/-0 LR -9/-3 LG -7/-3 Taken 2/26

PT 37 162/BR174 RC -1/-1 LR -6/-3 LG -12/-2 LR -2/-0 Taken 3/4

PT 38 170/BR178 LR -1/-0 LG -3/-1 RC -6/-3 LR -2/-0 Taken 3/9

My objective was getting off a waitlist (ideally CLS for a specific focus), but am now debating taking the test in March at all, as opposed to just looking toward a July-October retake for next cycle.

Goals: Criminal/Social Justice focus leading into CJ/government reform. Not opposed to BL for experience or if needed to service debt. Dream would be academia, but admittedly not realistic.

Other info:

3.85, non-trad career changer, 10 years WE law enforcement.

unhappy with outcomes this cycle... barring some huge negotiation success, I'm maybe 90% certain I won't deposit, though due to age and some not insignificant C&F issues, I do consider that I should just be thankful for what I got and make the best of it.

I feel like I could score higher on 3/30 but not as high as I could given more prep. I chose 3/30 because I would have significant difficulty doing a last minute acceptance due to location (Hawaii) and family considerations. Hope that doesn't sound presumptuous... I realize it is not likely.

Not crazy about debt or less than ideal scholarships off a WL, but am willing to incur reasonably proportionate debt. If I were to miracle my way into CLS, I'd pay sticker.

also, I think PT38 was a fluke. I felt like I did way worse. Looks like I just lucked into games that I was able to navigate. In general, I don't really feel confident on any section yet.

Should I:

continue to hit it hard for 3/30 for the WL with an eye on June-October for next cycle?

push back 3/30 to June/July for more prep time and just deal with it if I happen to get a last minute WL acceptance?

forget about the WLs and focus on a more reasonable intensity for June-October and do next cycle less stupid?

just negotiate scholarships and move forward with the best option this cycle?

Thank you for the feedback. Any opinion welcomed... just trying to nudge along my thought process. Been browsing the forum and wish I had discovered this place earlier!

We will be hosting a Blind Review Session for the first Logical Reasoning Section of Prep Test 66 on Sunday March 15th at 3:00 pm Pacific Coast (6:00 pm East Coast).

This will be a peer lead review and we will be going over flagged questions chosen by the group. Prior to the blind review session please complete Prep Test 66, and complete your own blind review. Do Not check your answers. We will be focusing on process, understanding and strategy.

The link to join is below:

https://join.skype.com/HW01DVXTluPk

Note: You do not need to join our study group or preparing for the June Test to join this review session, all levels are welcomed

Hi all! Just took my first PT post-curriculum and feeling down. I got a 163 on my first diagnostic in November (weakest section RC) and a 166 just now (weakest section 1 LR but the other I got 88% on...not sure what happened). I work 30 hrs/wk and am trying to find another job (10 hrs/wk), so it's hard for me to study as much as I want to.

I felt like I'd improved since November, having done the whole curriculum, and here I am. I'm taking the 4/25 test, and my goal is 172+. Is there any way I can make this happen, or should I expect to probably take the test again?

Thank you so much for your advice :)

Hi guys! This is my first post here and my first LSAT course.

My original diagnostic was a 158. I took the October 2019 LSAT and scored a 164, though my PTs were averaging in the 167s towards the end. I have decided to retake the LSAT in August 2020 in the hopes of breaking into the 170s; due to some family issues I have only now gotten back into studying for the LSAT. Is it a stretch to think I can get into the mid 170s in only 5 months? Right now, I can devote a majority of my days to studying, but I will start working within the next two months. What is a realistic schedule I can set for myself? Obviously I plan on primarily using the 7sage course, but I also bought the LSAT Trainer, Logic Games Bible from Powerscore, and LR/RC from Manhattan Prep. I'm not really sure how to incorporate these into my studying. Any help or advice is appreciated!! Thanks!

So I did a little experiment and did 3 questions from each Logical Reasoning stem and found that no matter how hard I try I keep getting Strengthening, Weakening, and Necessary Assumption questions wrong. It is probably my weakest LR family type I don't know if my brain just is not smart enough for the LSAT or it's because there is something off with my reasoning skills, but even after going over CC in this area I can't seem to get questions from the Assumption family correct no matter how hard I try.

Any tips?

Thank you 7Sage !

Hi Everyone! Just wanted to get some advice as I am new to 7Sage. As my name implies I definitely want to score in the 99thpercentile. I have already been doing pretty well overall. In LR for example I am able to always narrow it down to two answer choices, but struggle to pick the right one. LG is mostly working out the timing issues, as on blind review I came almost always go minus 0 to minus 1, sometimes minus 2. In addition, I have struggled with timing on every section. As I just finished up the the first lessons before moving into main point question types, I found myself doing the questions without consciously looking for all of the referential phrases, comparative statements, context of the argument etc etc. After realizing I needed to be applying what I am learning to improve, I found once I did this I was obviously very slow. I wanted to gain two to three things from this post. First, what was everyone else's experience, especially those who had taken another prep course, like after they had gone through the initial lessons and then started applying the first basic steps. Did you just start the main point questions and go super slow until all of these skills became second nature? Even though I have gotten all of the questions right, I dont want to not apply what I am learning, because I 'll just be wasting my time if I keep doing what I did in the past. Second, what have you guys done to overcome timing issues? And lastly, after having listened to the 7sage podcast, I noticed a common thread of people was to get heavily involved in teaching and in being involved in the forums. My question is: what is the best way to do that? Is it simply to just go through the different questions posed here and writing explanations? Just curious to see what you guys are finding is working best to help improve your score and your overall mastery of the LSAT. Thank you all so much for you time and input in advance!

I cannot find the Eliminating Attractor Answer Choices webinar. Can you please advise how can I access it?

Thanks

Does anyone know why I can hear the sound on videos in the course but I cannot see JY map out anything or see the question which makes it hard to follow along. #Help

One of the biggest barriers to getting the points on questions associated with curvebreaker stimuli and passages is understanding what the heck is going on in the text. Just like you need to understand how the rules of a game function/interact before going to into the ACs, you also need to understand the argument and concepts discussed in a stimulus or passage; otherwise, it's like shooting in the dark when you move into the ACs. Sometimes, I think we take the importance of up-front comprehension for granted. So, I wanted to broach the question to you all: what concrete strategies and/or tools do you use when you come across a complex, abstract text to understand/comprehend that text?

Here are some examples of the tools that I've found helpful/useful:

-translating the stimulus by condensing the language and making it conversational

-drawing out/visualizing

-thinking of examples and plugging them in to the world of the stimulus/passage

I'd love to hear what strategies and tools others use! Please share below :)

Can you upgrade to the ultimate package somehow if you’re already grandfathered into the starter package ?

What Be Good 7Sage!

Wanted to give y'all a heads up with how my application cycle went and where I will going...spoiler alert, going to the University of Georgia!

To preface, I want to put some info out regarding my demographics: Hispanic/ Latino (Checked the Mexican Box), Graduated Undergrad in December 2016 so been working a while, married, living in the Florida Panhandle, and am a first gen college student.

With my score being a 154, I understood that I would be below the majority of my choice schools' 25th percentile. Thus, I made it a point to follow the 7Sage admission course guide and have at least 3 safety, 3 target, and 3 reach schools.

I applied to the following schools: Seton Hall (Accepted w/ 10k scholarship offer, withdrew application), Miami (Was on hold, withdrew application), American (Accepted, withdrew application), Florida State (Rejected), Florida (Rejected), Washington and Lee (Was on hold, withdrew application), Cornell (Was on reserve, withdrew application), Emory (Never heard back, withdrew application), Alabama (Waitlisted), Virginia (Rejected), Vanderbilt (Rejected), and UPenn (Rejected).

I went into the application cycle knowing that my wife and I wanted to live in the Atlanta area after graduation, thus UGA made the most sense for us for law school. Knowing that I would have to over shoot my numbers, I made it a point to visit UGA prior to applying. I was able to meet with an assistant director of admissions, dean of the law school, and a first gen law school student coordinator on my visit. I applied regular decision the first day applications opened as I knew I would want to negotiate more scholarship money (if I got any) later in the cycle.

In December, after being told my application was on hold by the committee, I made it a point to send a school specific LOCI explaining why I wanted to go to UGA. I like to think that they liked the letter, as not even a few days after this I was notified of my acceptancemwith a 5k merit scholarship offer.

As I received other acceptances and another merit scholarship offer, I knew my time for negotiation would be coming soon. I received an email a few days ago stating that I would need to let them know if I was going to accept my merit scholarship or not by April 1. Thus, I called the admissions office and notified them I wanted to negotiate. I was able to get my merit scholarship up to $7,500 annually ($22,500 3 years) as well as have all my seat deposit fees waived. I understand that there is a possibility that I can negotiate for more as the cycle goes on, but for the time being this is where I am at.

All in all, I like to think that 7Sage really helped me overshoot my numbers and allowed me to go to the law school of my dreams. I write this in hopes of allowing others to see my thoughts in addition to be able to reach out to someone in the midst of the process. While not all of us can be 170+ LSAT takers, this does not mean that you cannot go to a T30 school! Keep your heads up and do the work.

Feel free to direct message me for any questions you may have. Thank y'all for the amazing journey. Not sure how much I will be on here after this with school starting in August, thus if you do not hear back from me on here in a few days shoot me an email at jonah.griego@gmail.com!

Faithfully 7Sager,

Jonah Chadwick Griego

I always think this now when doing LR questions when the answer choices are completely irrelevant to the question.

I have read a lot of forums on the lawstudents.ca site and I can't see too many people in a situation similar to mine. I definitely don't see many people admitted anywhere with a GPA as low as mine, so may be that's my answer.

I'm a mature student, I will have 7 years full time professional work experience in an advancing role by the time of application. I have a BScN Hons degree with 3.0 gpa on a 4.0 scale. I will have 5 years experience with monthly court room appearance representing the interests of a maximum secure forensic hospital. I also have a background as an RN working as a Team Leader on a forensic unit. I will have strong LORs, one from a previous professor who knows me well and I got an 87 in her patho class, one from my current manager and one from a Crown Attorney that I appear in court with on a monthly basis.

I have an official LSAT of 158. I am writing again in April with the hopes of raising that score to at least 160, however that's theoretical at this point. I'm also a realist and I think around 160 is probably the "best" I'll be able to manage in my current circumstance, so ya a 165 or 170 would be great but lets not go there.

Given my current score and other information what do ya'll think my chances are for any Canadian schools? I'm an Ontario resident although I would have no problem relocating since even Ontario school are many hours from my current home.

Thanks all for ready and for offering your realistic views :)

Hey guys,

I made and posted this wrong answer journal in the r/lsat group (https://www.reddit.com/r/LSAT/comments/fefjzq/wrong_answer_journal/) it really helps me to analyze a question I got wrong and forces me to spend time on it even if im being lazy. it has done wonders for me.

message me if you can't download it from there.

k bye

Hey 7sagers,

I need some advice. I've been working in corporate america for the last two years. I have an amazing relationship with my boss, but the job gives me so much anxiety and is so demanding. Some events happened that allowed my boss to ask me to think about if I want to stay another year or not. She wants the best for me. We are good friends, but I cant work with her much anymore because she is the cause of a lot of my anxiety lol.

I'm thinking about quiting in June versus staying until I wear out my welcome lol. I'm sure she will give me a letter of recommendation but I'm concerned about how that may look to law schools. I'm planning to apply by october 1at this year. Quiting will allow me more time to craft my essays and take the lsat in August.

I feel like after all of the work I put into the company it's time for me to step out and believe in myself. After all I've been putting off law school for three years now.

I have family support and will live off my savings until I find something I love to do until law school starts. Any advice ? Will the gap from june to October look bad?

Hi everyone,

I'm curious what you think. I want to practice law in the midwest or south, and I'm looking at schools like WUSTL, Vandy, and UT-Austin. I might send an app to GULC/Cornell just for the hell of it– I'm leaning a little toward NY BigLaw; not sure at this point, but if I get in at a t15 northeastern school, I'd heavily consider it. In addition to my gpa/lsat, I have cookie-cutter softs for a law school applicant, and assume average LORs and personal statement. I have some part-time work experience from undergrad and I'm taking a gap year to work as a court clerk before going to law school.

What do you guys think about my chances at the schools listed? I tried MyLSN and 7sage's predictor, but they're giving conflicting reports. 7sage says that I'd have ~80% chance at WUSTL, but the MyLSN graph shows a lot of people with my stats getting waitlisted/rejected. Also, are the 2019 ABA 509 reports for schools the official stats/medians for next cycle (fall 2020), or will schools come out with Class of 2023 stats later this year as the new application window opens?

Thank you all. I owe my improvement to 7sage!