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When I was 14, I got caught stealing a pair of shorts from Sears in Texas (EXTREMELY STUPID, I know). I paid my fine and I did my time in community service. It took me a long time to move past this and I thought I had. Now, I am incredibly disheartened that some of my law school apps SPECIFICALLY state that I must disclose expunged juvenile records. I would hate for something I did 10 years ago to bar me from attending law school. I know people say that as long as I am honest, it should not affect my admittance, but I find that hard to believe. Why wouldn't a school look at my record and reject it when there are so many other applicants?

I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this? If an application DOESN'T specifically ask to disclose juvenile records should I still disclose or no? Would it be bad to disclose to schools who ask specifically and not others? I am fully aware this will come up in the bar I just feel very disheartened by this. Any advice would be appreciated.

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Should I be foolproofing the games that are part of the core curriculum or should I only start foolproofing games when I finish the cc and start drilling and taking practice tests?

Thanks

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Does anybody know which PT's the core curriculum uses for the logical reasoning questions? ( Only the questions with the videos and not the problem sets) I also wanted to know if it used all the questions from those exams or just individual ones.

I perused through them and it seems like PT's 30-35 but I wasn't quite sure. I'm trying to budget my "untouched" exams and was curious how I should best use the early 30's. I'm aware I can manually just check but I wasn't sure if this was public knowledge already as it would save me a lot of time.

I'd appreciate any insight!

Happy studying fellow Jedi

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I'm currently registered to take the March 2020 test, and I wanted to move my date to take the June test. I checked the LSAC site, and the deadline for changing dates is tomorrow (02/27/2020), but I'm unable to click on the June test to switch to. Does anyone know what I can do?

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Reddit, Lawstudents.ca, top-law-schools, etc have generally negative advice and comments for people seeking help. Such as "you can never improve from a 130, might as well just quit".

Glad to have found 7Sage the best forum and community of all!

Wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this?

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Hey guys, I've been drilling timed sections for PTs in the 20s as I heard a lot of their games are useful. I noticed that I've been getting more questions incorrect in the LR sections (by a margin of 1/2 more than my usual score). This hasn't really affected my overall score of the test given the generous curves in the 20s, but I'm a little concerned about the trend I've been seeing. Somehow I find the newer LRs to be less challenging... all in all just a little disheartened. Any opinions on what you thought of the difficulty of LR / other sections in the 20s? Any specific ways you guys attacked them during review? Any insight would be appreciated!

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So I've been struggling with logic games, and this doesn't change that, BUT I think things are slightly less bad than I'd thought:

I've been stressing about my performance on LG sections given a three-star difficulty rating by 7sage. I've been thinking, "ugh, this is just on the average LG section, which, given that tests have been getting harder, will likely be easier than whatever's on my actual test." But when I checked this out, I realized that of the PTs since #80, only ONE has gotten a rating higher than three stars! (#88, a 5-star section)

So obviously, this doesn't mean that my test's LG section is gonna be easy, or even that it won't be the hardest I've ever taken. But it does mean that 3-star LG sections are around as hard as they generally have been, of late.

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Hi everyone! I've been preparing since the middle of December for the April administration. I've spent most of that time learning and drilling the fundamentals (mostly from the trainer) before getting into full PTs, so I've only taken 9 of those so far.

Recently, I've been getting -2 to -5 overall (not per section) on LR and averaging about -3.5, but I just took PT 73 and only got 1 wrong. Overall I feel good about the questions, although I work much more intuitively than by following the methods strictly and am not 100% confident on at least a couple per section. I've heard great things about Loophole, but I'm a little worried that a new approach will hurt my performance at this level and I won't be able to correct in time for the April test.

I'm wondering if I should work through Loophole or just keep practicing, review better and see if I can get the last couple of questions that way.

Has anyone been in the same position? Did adjusting your approach hurt your score?

Thanks!

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As the 2019-2020 cycle draws to an end, I thought I should share a recap of my admissions results and say a big thank you to JY and the 7Sage Community.

I started studying for the LSAT in 2018, with a diagnostic score of 153. After a year of intense studying with 7Sage, I was able to boost that score up to a 169. And I'm beyond thrilled to share with you that I was accepted to Berkeley and Cornell, among other very prestigious law schools.

I had basically zero knowledge of the test itself in the beginning, let alone the law school admissions process in general. Signing up for a 7Sage LSAT Course was possibly the wisest decision I've made in the past couple years, as I've benefited tremendously from the curriculum that I thought was very insightful, easy-to-follow, and beginner-friendly. The Discussion Forum served its purpose as an indispensable source of information; I was able to get all the help I needed from the Sages and users who were more than eager to share their experiences. What I found most amazing was that all of it came at an extremely generous price.

All in all, I am grateful that I found 7Sage and that it offered me an opportunity to excel at one of the most challenging tests there are. I'd like to express my utmost gratitude again for the 7Sagers for their advice and support - without them, I doubt that I would have made it this far.

Thank you!

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For example, would it be detrimental in my law school application if I were to graduate in five years as opposed to the expected four years? I essentially had to skip my Junior year of undergrad because I was dealing with chronic seizures. Therefore, the doctor prohibited me from going to school as I needed to be medically monitored for the following months.

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Hi everyone! I've taken 3 months break form studying after writing my first LSAT in November. I completed and submitted my application to two schools in January and I'm currently waiting for the decision. But my LSAT score (160) is not as competitive as I hoped it'd be so if I don't get accepted, I want to improve my LSAT score and reapply this cycle. As I'm waiting for the decision, I want to get the ball rolling! What are your process / tips / strategies go get back into study mode after a long break?

Before writing in November, I studied for about 8 months, working full-time. I've completed 7Sage CC, PT 31-40 for drills, and 7 PTs randomly selected from PT65-88. I've also read through LSAT Trainer last March when I started studying, and The Loophole 3 weeks before the exam.

It honestly feels like a decade ago now and I'm not sure if I should just start from the scratch (i.e. re-doing CC). My realistic goal is to hit 165-169. I'm planning to quit my job in May to focus on studying LSAT, if I get denied. And right now, I'm thinking of writing for October / November LSAT, given my personal trips & circumstances. Thank you so much in advance!

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For LR, do you read the stimulus first, or the question stem first? Please explain why.

There seems to be disagreement on this topic across reputable LSAT test prep companies.

Thanks for your insights!

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Hey 7Sagers,

Here's the official February 2020 LSAT Discussion Thread.

**Please keep all discussions of the February 2020 LSAT here!**(/red)

Rules:

You can identify experimental sections. 🙆‍♀️

You can say things such as the following:

  • I had two LGs! Was the LG with "flowers" real or experimental?
  • I had two RCs! Was the section that starts with the honeybee passage real?
  • I had three LRs! Does anyone know if the first LR section with the goose question is real?”
  • You can't discuss specific questions. 🙅‍♂️

    You CANNOT say things such as the following:

  • Hey, the 3rd LG was sequencing and the last one was In/Out, right?” (Don't mention the game type)
  • The last question in the first LR section was a lawgic heavy MBT! Was the answer (B)?” (Don't mention the question type or ask what the answer was)
  • What was the answer for the last question of RC? I think it was an inference question? Was the answer (C)?” (Don't mention the question type or ask what the answer was)
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    Hello! I have been working on the syllabus but have noticed I don't feel as though I am making great leaps and bounds of success on the topic.. in fact I feel as though I am maintaining or slightly decreasing in skill level...should I go back and redo some problems or just keep chugging forward, going back to review the last month or so?

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    Hi everyone,

    I recently began the logic game curriculum and have been doing the LG drill sets. As you know there are two games per set. I'm usually finishing at least game with 100% accuracy but unable to finish the second game during the ~17 minute time limit. As I continue going through the drills and blind review, I'm wondering what people suggest aiming for during the blind review of a full logic game section?

    I know, ideally we should all want to reach for -0 in blind review for every section. But, for someone wanting to score in the mid 160s, what is a promising score/range for a LG blind review?

    Thanks!

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    Hello!!

    Excited to be at this stage. This is a long one.

    21 Point Increase LSAT Journey Overview

    After taking my first diagnostic test with Khan Academy and receiving a 148 I knew I had to get serious about studying. The internet seemed to have many positive things to say about 7sage. I was really into the growth mindset that the program advocates and the blind review process just seemed to make so much sense for me as a tool for learning. So happy I was right!!

    Overall the study process took me one year - started in February 2019 and received my 169 score on the January 2020 test. That being said I took about 4 months off for travel/work related/life reasons. When I was studying I averaged 10-20 hours a week. Less if I had other things going on (it's okay to have balance and take breaks). I found myself refreshed and never noticed my skills sliding back after a break which was very encouraging - burn out is so real!!

    In one of the 7sage podcast episodes JY suggested that once you are scoring where you want to it might be helpful to sign up for 2 LSATs back to back. It takes the pressure off both takes. I knew the January LSAT was the last one accepted for Canadian law schools and had plateaued in the mid-high 160s (did not need to do better than that to get into good schools here) so I signed up for November 2019 and January 2020.

    November 2019 164 Experience

  • Before the November 2019 take I felt like I still could learn more. My scores were ranging from 163-168 with an average of about 166. My BR was consistently in the 170s. I had just picked up a copy of Ellen Cassidy's The Loophole and really felt like with a few more weeks I could break my plateau.
  • Invariably my scores fluctuated with how closely I stuck to my test taking strategies. I felt I needed to make those strategies an ingrained reflex and not something I had to consciously think about in order to consistently hit high 160s.
  • Nerves: I was so nervous during my first take - I couldn't help it. Even knowing I was taking another test in January did little to calm me.
  • Location: The test centre was in a hotel and we took the test in one of their large conference rooms. This venue obviously made the whole thing feel more real and not like it was just another PT.
  • These last 2 points you really cannot control and I think that's the benefit of doing 2 takes. I was so much more ready to let go of the things I could not control because I knew I had another shot.

    164: I knew I could probably get into most schools I applied to so I was happy to have this score under my belt. Knowing I had a score that could get me in was a huge boost. However I knew I could do better and was very excited to have the opportunity.

    164-169 in 6 weeks

    LR Took 2 weeks after reading The Loophole and my November take to really do nothing but the exercises advocated in the book. Really went back to the basics and restructured how I thought about LR. I melded the 7sage and Loophole approach in a way that worked for me. My issue was always focus and timing so the basic translation and advanced translation drills did wonders for me. Little things like not reading the question first made me focus more intently on the argument. After doing these painstaking drills for 2 weeks straight I found myself anticipating answers and being much more efficient. I created an LR problem set that was ALL THE LR questions I had ever gotten wrong during a PT and did the advanced translation drill on that too.

    LG Honestly just kept on with ol' faithful: foolproof method. I love it.

    RC I did not really focus on RC that much during this time (maybe if I did I would have broke 170.. who knows!) apart from PT and BRing as usual. However I think basic translation drills helped with RC as well .. my issues with RC was getting flustered and losing focus.

    After my 2 week Loophole intensive (while doing 2 games a day) I started back on my PT/BR cycle with the purpose of focusing on timing strategy and not score. This is when I hit my first 170. It was a happy day.

    Then the holidays hit and I 100% took 2.5 weeks off to see friends and family. So glad I did. Did one more PT/BR - really took it easy and just like that it was Jan 2020 take time.

    January 2020 169 Experience

  • Nerves: they were there but minimal - I felt ready. In my mind I had already proven myself and I just needed to go through the arbitrary task of sitting down and writing the test. I think physically going through the experience of the previous take got SO MUCH of test day anxiety out of my system.
  • Location: my second take location was muuuch smaller. It was in an office building and the rooms were tiny (7 test takers per room). I got there pretty early and was able to select the desk that was closest to the orientation that my desk is at home (where I did most of my studying). In my room were 6 other women and we spent the 45 minutes before the test taking about our experience studying for the test/applying to schools and all of our opinions on the films nominated for the Oscars. It was a really chill and calming experience. This is so not something I could have planned for but it made the experience so much better. I was in a great headspace going into the test.
  • 169: I am so happy with my score. Do I think I could do better? Absolutely. If 7sage has taught me anything it's that there is alway room for growth. That being said I am so happy to be ending my LSAT journey here and shifting my focus to admissions.

    Takeaways

  • Using The Loophole in tandem with 7sage is such an asset*
  • Focusing on test taking/timing strategies as if it were the 4th area of study for the LSAT is vital*
  • *I truly think doing these 2 things earlier would have helped me do better sooner

  • So much of studying for the LSAT is learning how to study for the LSAT so gotta let that previous footnote go
  • Really taking the time to understand the basics and BR is SOOO important.You cannot walk before you run etc, etc. Type out explanations of questions you got wrong. Lean into your weaknesses - be honest and do not shy away from them.
  • Best resources (imho): 7sage and The Loophole

    Best mindset throughout the journey: know you are capable, know your score does not define your worth/potential, take breaks, have balance, do not let this test take over your life!! And try to enjoy the process.

    Thanks all!!

    EDIT: 2 important things I forgot

  • Feel free to ask me any questions at all - this post is obviously a (not so) small snapshot into my experience and I am happy to go more in depth into a specific area if someone thinks it might help them on their journey.
  • I cannot say enough about how vital the 7sage CC, videos, podcast, ethos, etc. was to my learning and growth. The community I found here made me feel like I was not in this alone.. because I wasn't!!
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    So I studied on and off for couple of months then decided to stop to focus on my university studies. I will graduate in May so I will start studying then. But I wanna go on a vacation for 3 weeks on the end of June. So i plan to study for 2 months from Maya-June then take a break and come back and study till October and take the test. Should I do this?

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    It's been a rough couple months, as I've received several rejections from other top schools, but luckily I was just accepted into my top choice. Thank you 7sage for providing such a supportive community. I can't imagine getting through this without you guys!

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