I have hit the most literal plateau, and I take the test June 11 (also signed-up for July 23).

On my past FIVE tests I have scored a 167. No more, no less.

The good news is that this is my first time taking the test for real, so I think that a 167 is a fine score to have on record for my top choice schools (NYU, UofM, UC Berkeley). However, I'm so frustrated that I'm not pushing through to a 170+.

Each test I can feel the one section that does it to me - it is usually the second logical reasoning section... I go into it and feel fatigued looking at the questions/it is directly after break and I feel just out of it (-2 on first lr section, -6 on second).

Whenever I do logical reasoning outside of a PT, I get between -1 and -4, usually -1 to -3.

I feel like, at this point, I should be able to push above 170 for the real test in July (I hope). My blind reviews are consistently above 176. This plateau is just so frustrating. I also am hoping that the adrenaline rush on the day of the test might help keep me focused (usually adrenaline keeps me focused vs distracted).

I’m currently using the Premium pack and I was wondering if I should practice the older tests (37-58) first then use the newer ones (72-81) closer to the exam or vice versa? I obviously won’t go through all of them so I’m also trying to decide which specific tests I should use for PTing then keeping the extras for fool-proofing and experimentals.

Thanks!!

My original plan was to take the upcoming LSAT in June, but I realized the error of my ways and decided I could use a LOT more time to study. My GPA sucks, so I'm relying more heavily on the exam than most. So, I intend to take the December/January test in about 6 months.

I spoke to some people familiar with the admissions process, and one of them advised me to begin the application process ASAP (maybe about 10 months before I'd begin school) because scholarships are limited and many are claimed early on. So my question is this: if I take the LSAT at such a late juncture, should I then hold off on applying to schools until the next cycle (18 months hence)?

This is also working on the assumption that most law schools only permit L1s to begin in the autumn semester rather than allowing entry bi-annually like most undergraduate programs.

Anyone have any thoughts?

So I took two timed sections today. PT 37 and PT 1 (random I know). Nerves got the best of me on 37 and I got -10, but I took another crack at it midday when I was calmer and got -5. Feeling good, I did another timed section (PT 1) after work and got an abysmal -15. Holy @&$*! that’s bad. It’s my first day doing timed sections for LG, and I’ve got 7 weeks to go before July test. LR and RC I’m pretty comfortable with, but LG is pretty painful. Does it get easier? Can I get better in 7 weeks if I do a timed section everyday + foolproof?

Hello, I'm set to take the july lsat- org scheduled for june .

I've been upping my RC/LR scores and doing pretty decent under time constraints. I'm aiming for 150 and above.

I went to take a LG section timed today and I blanked -I only got a few right. Before at min I was getting at least 10 which I'm ok with because I can make up the rest in RC/LR.

I know I need to be spending more time on this section , as I know and have been told RC/LR can only go up so high.

I find that the first question I can get correct just by scanning the answers , after that I get confused when they start putting in exceptions to the rule. And I have a hard time ordering the info.

Now I'm worried this section is going to take down my score. And that I don't have enough time to get a decent LG score.

What do y'all think -can I bring it up with the upcoming time ? is that being realistic?

How should I adjust my strategy ?

I've been reviewing the CC- doing untimed PT inbetween, and now Im moving onto timed sections - I'm thinking of just devoting the next few days to LG

155=about 63 right on the lsat -avg for my target school

Hi All - I start my study schedule in a few weeks for the 11/17 exam and was looking through my schedule to week 16 and it states the following: "LSAT PrepTest 58, 59, 60, 61, - 3 lessons 3 hours".

Does this mean I am should be taking 4 full LSAT exams in one week? I have read folks taking one exam every week or maybe 2, but 4? Is my reading of the schedule correct?

Hello 7sagers,

I am trying to develop a collection of as many early preptests as I can so that I can practice understanding question types. I understand how to get the latests PTs , but I cant seem to find a few on amazon. I need preptets: 1-6, 8, 17, 39, and maybe many tests in the 40s. Am I missing something ? It seems like they do not exist . I want to give myself enough tests to practice with and I cant seem to find them in numerical order , if at all.

Hey guys so I have a question regarding logic games and conditional rules. Specifically it is from PT #27, Sec 2, Game #4. For question #22 in the game it asks, " If car 4 is purple, which of the following must be true? Now, one of the rules of the game was.....Either car 5 or car 6 must be purple. So regarding that question, just that rule is diminished from the game correct? The other rules which were.....1. No car can be the same color as any car next to it in line. 2. Car 1 cannot be orange. and 3. Car 4 cannot be green., These are all still in effect right? or does 1 rule being wiped out totally wipe out all the rules? I really need clarification on this because this question tripped me up big time and it's been bothering me. Thanks again.

The 2018 Above The Law rankings are live:

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/05/the-2018-law-school-rankings-are-here-with-major-employment-driven-changes-at-the-top/

As a reminder or orientation for anyone new to these, they are based mostly on employment outcomes so generally look very different from the US News rankings. These are not "official" rankings like US News are considered, but I personally think these are just as (or in some ways more) important. A really interesting and practical way to view law schools.

Hi all! I want to start drilling LR sections (it's my weakest section) before I begin PTing in the next week or so. This is mainly to brush up on question types that I'm having trouble with and to shift from drilling problem sets by question types to taking a shot at testing out my skills on all of the various question types that can be found on the exam.

I started this section before using 7Sage getting 14 correct on average. Now, with the combination of drilling and the CC for any given problem set in total, I miss anywhere between 2 questions (min) to 8 questions (max) depending on the question type. I'm pretty proud of myself for this jump and how quickly I've grasped concepts that were previously so difficult for me to understand. I have tried the problem sets both timed and untimed, but for the time being I have stuck with untimed sessions to drill and understand my weaknesses. When I BR, I always end up selecting the correct answer either prior to the BR or when I change my answer. For those who BR consistently, do you think I should continue to BR untimed sections until I begin PTing, start BRing timed sections now, OR both (untimed for particular question types/ timed for full sections)?

Thanks in advance :)

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I've actually gotten better at managing my anxiety, however, any time I try meditation I can never focus hard or long enough. I always get too distracted, too bored, too side-tracked, etc. I know I'm making excuses, but I have really really tried to no avail. Can anyone help?

I just wanted to share a bit of good news because it never hurts - I just scored my first 174 on a 5 section, timed practice test! I started with a diagnostic of 155 in February 2017. For the past few weeks, I had been only scoring around an average of 168. Also, granted,this test was a retake, I took this PT in March 2017 and didn't BR at all and just tossed it aside after grading. This was during my stupid phase of "do as many PTs as possible" (10/10 would not recommend this). In short, this sudden increase has shown me what I am capable of. So thank you 7sage for providing such a comprehensive curriculum and thanks to all the community members for providing your expertise and support! Only excited for whats ahead. :)

Can anyone help me out with this one? Is it safe to say that this stimulus is flawed because it's calling a good line of reasoning bad? #help

https://classic.7sage.com/lsat_explanations/lsat-30-section-4-question-25/

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In this necessary assumption question, gardeners who plant according to the phases of the moon despite the fact that the phases of the moon do not affect how well plants grow. We are then told that gardeners who plant during the first warm spell of the spring have problems when frost follows, so we are better off planting according to the phases of the moon. The correct answer for the necessary assumption is that using the phases of the moon tends to lead gardeners to plant later in the spring than those who plant at the first warm spell. I question why this is a necessary assumption, as we are not told anything to indicate that planting, must take place during the spring. If we are to negate that supposed necessary assumption the argument is not destroyed, as planting could take place during the summer. In other words, I believe that the necessary assumption is actually that planting according to the phases of the moon leads one to plant at a time when the crops will not be damaged by the frost after the first warm spell, not that the planting takes place during any specific season. Thank you in advance for your help.

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Hey guys,

I'm starting to study for the LSAT but I'm concerned about the actual application. I didn't keep in touch with my professors! What do I do for the the LoRs??

What constitutes mature student? I’m referring to Canadian and American law schools. For some reason I thought it meant applying over the age of 25

Can you take the inverse of a positive correlation? For example:

The more cholesterol we have in our blood, the higher the risk of heart attack (increase one, increase the other)

Can I infer a decrease in cholesterol correlates to a decrease risk of heart attack?

Mine was when I find the right answer, select it and move on — don’t try to disprove the remaining answers. Anyone agree with this? Any others tips/advice/tricks?

Hey guys, I remember there was a lesson where JY listed all the question types either under conclusion based or non-conclusion based. It listed all the LR question types and separated them into two groups, conclusion based questions and non-conclusion based. I've been clicking on lessons to find it. Which one is it again please.

Could someone explain Argument part and also tell me where JY talks about it in the content?

#help

Hello! Wanted to know if anyone had PT questions for some common flaws that I can watch? I'm looking for a necessary/sufficiency confusion and correlation/causation so I can see the two flaws back to back. Thanks:)

Hey everyone,

I'm not typically the person who turns to forums for help, but I am falling apart here and have no idea what else to do. After more than 30 PTs, my scores are not consistent. They have ranged anywhere from 161-175. I hit the high160s on my first few tests, and I was taken aback, and I thought there was only one place my scores could go, and that was up. But even now, after all of these tests, I still feel like I roll the dice every time I sit down to take one.

I always know when my score is going to be good. I feel good, my head is clear, and I have a killer instinct for most questions, especially in logical reasoning. But when I'm off, I know it, and things fall apart quickly. I'm unfocused, get frustrated, and second guess my answers. Sometimes I even struggle finishing a section. I have done everything to try and replicate the former state of mind (exercise, nutrition, rest, etc.), but nothing seems to keep me performing consistently.

My last 10 tests, taken about one day apart, were, respectively: 171, 164, 170, 164, 169, 163, 164, 171, 168, 175.

It's been quite discouraging and frustrating constantly going from a high score to a lower score. I have been studying since January, and I wanted to sit for the June exam, but I just couldn't because I am so inconsistent. I moved my test date to July in hopes of remedying this issue.

Should I allow a few more days in between my PTs? Has anyone experienced this type of issue?

All suggestions are welcome! Thank you so much.

So for whatever reason I found that I struggled WAY more with the easy to moderately easy passages involving law/economics stuff than I did with the moderately difficult to difficult science passages. Is this just me? I mean I studied computer science in undergrad so maybe that's why?