I really dislike this flaw q and I've historically had trouble with it so I'd love some feedback to see if my understanding of the stimulus and the AC is finally correct. Also there's no video explanation for this one.

Stimulus:

In an experiment, researchers ran rats through a maze, some of which were missing one of their five senses--sight, taste, hearing, etc. Regardless of their specific missing characteristic, ALL rats finished the maze in the same amount of time.

Researchers found out that kinesthesia (sensation of body movement) could also be relevant to finishing a maze, in the same way sight, taste and hearing is helpful.

Off of this info, the researcher concludes: kinesthesia is sufficient for maze running.

I had a really hard time understanding the stimulus the first few times I saw this question especially w the double negative sentence, and more so with the unstated idea in the conclusion that the researchers were presuming kinesthesia ALONE is sufficient for maze running. From the language in the conclusion, I didn't see the researchers ruling out the possibility that the other senses in which the rats were not deficient (aka the blind rat using his/her sense of smell) could've helped as well in finishing the maze. So would love to see how people came to this flaw on their own or how I should've better identified it when attempting to prephase.

I got to choice B by process of elimination. Ruled out A because it was descriptively inaccurate with "small deficiencies in proficiency." Ruled out C, D, E, because of the phrase "it can be determined from the data." None of those things can be determined from the data for sure.

Thanks!!

English is my third language. This makes the LSAT especially difficult for me. I need as much help as I can receive. I started studying in late Oct, 2017. I was registered to take the Feb 2018 LSAT, but I withdrew my registration. I withdrew because, I was not where I wanted to be. I was averaging 140-145. Obviously, taking the LSAT in Feb would be a waste of time and money. I also am working one full-time and one part-time job. I do most of my studying on the weekends. I usually get home around 8 p.m. on week days. I probably will have to quit one of my jobs, in order to increase my study time. I just started using 7Sage as my main study material. I have not purchased a course yet. Any idea on how to approach the LSAT considering my situation?

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I haven't seen a thread on this topic, but for those of us that are professional law school applicants, what is the best way to include our professional licenses, memberships, etc.?

I am a LEED Accredited Professional, and even my personal email signature reads "Name, LEED AP BD+C". I imagine architects would include "Name, AIA and/or NCARB" in their resume header, and Professional Engineers, "Name, PE", etc. - is it too jarring for me to do the same with LEED AP in my resume header? What if my admissions reviewer doesn't know what LEED AP means? Where in the body of the resume would be a better home for certifications, and how would your recommend formatting them?

Thank you!

Hi guys,

RC is by far my worst section. Though I have improved by a point or two, I haven't seen any drastic improvements and I have been studying for a while now.

In the past, I could not get through the entire RC section. Doing timed sections has definitely helped me out in this regard. However, I still struggle with accurately answering the questions.

I score -7 on BR, which clearly indicates that I still can increase my BR score yet I haven't been able to increase my timed score much either despite doing a timed section everyday and then completing BR.

Any suggestions? What strategies have you tried to improve RC?

I have a real hard time seeing the correct answer on this one. The correct AC is (B). I chose (E). I really didn't like E, but AC (B) I only liked 1/2. The 2nd half of the answer, ..."to make up for the attendant loss is tax-revenues" threw me off. I dismissed it in the last second because the stimulus stated that there was a side benefit to the government in relatively small cost in lost tax revenues. The stimulus goes on to say that there was never a net gain since folks just transferred money from account to another, and overall personal savings was unchanged. So there is my issues. (B) says nobody is going to save more, (I agree) and it's not going to make up for the attendant loss in tax revenue. BUT, there won't be any loss in tax revenue, since no additional money is going to be put into personal savings. I'm interpreting "attendant" as accompanying. Where did I go wrong?

Did you not continue on in the CC until you mastered the section?

I'm going back through the CC again after not taking it seriously last year.

I'm in the Most Strongly Support LR section right now. I'm halfway through the problem sets. I was doing well -0 in the first half of the problem sets. Now on the harder 3+ star problem sets I have been missing one on each problem set.

Should I be drilling MSS questions once I am done with the CC problem sets? Missing 1/5 questions doesn't sound too good

Is there an ultimate goal here in how many questions I get wrong or is this just about the learning process and getting acquainted with just figuring out argument structure...

I just want to go into this with the right mindset so when I start taking PTs after the CC I'm not making mistakes because I didn't 100% understand something from the CC. But I also don't want to take forever on the CC.

I apologize if this has already been answered but I could really use some clarification. I have searched through the forums many times and cannot seem to find a definitive answer on whether or not you should be timing your problem sets. I am about 80% through the CC for LR and I have not timed any problem sets. For many question types I have only done every other problem set to find my strengths and weaknesses so I still have plenty I can do timed. Unless I missed JY mentioning the time for problem sets somewhere in the CC, I have not seen anything about how long each set should take us. Currently, I am mainly focusing on understanding the questions types and how to properly answer them than I am the time, however I am wondering how long I should be timing each one.

I am also getting all of my materials ready for drills and I have the same question about timing. For the question types I struggle with I go through the question bank and use PTs 1-44. I plan on using PTs 45-59 for drills and I plan on taking PTs 60-83. I feel like in general I have a good plan but I am so confused on how long I should be timing each question. Anyone know this information or can point me to where it is located?

Hey all,

The past few PT's I've written have been encouraging and well within what I'm hoping to score in Feb. (166 on PT 78, 165 on PT 69, 164 on PT 71, 164 on PT 76). A couple weeks ago I scored a 160 on PT 72 and today I scored a 162 on PT 79. I'm hoping the 160 was an outlier because I felt sort of groggy that day, but at the same time I don't want to be making excuses for myself. And as for today's PT, I'm concerned that it dropped a 2 full points from what I was scoring prior to that.

Are small drops like this relatively normal and not a cause for concern if I'm aiming for 163-164?. I probably shouldn't be stressing too hard about my PT scores anyway because I know what I know at this point lol. Just wondering if anyone has words of wisdom to pass along to ease my anxiety haha!! (Also if it's relevant to know, I scored a 161 on the Dec.2017 LSAT).

In the meantime, I should probably be meditating and momentarily erasing everything about the LSAT from my mind, I can't wait for Feb. 10th to be done.

Thx for reading and good luck to everyone writing in Feb! :)

Hello everyone! This thread doesn't really have anything to do with the test haha. I just wanted to share that a lot of the time when I come on websites like 7sage & TLS, I get a bit anxious especially if I'm not having a very good studying day myself or if I'm just not in a confident mood. One of my friends taking the MCAT began crying after reading a forum on Student Doctor Network and having a stressed day. Haha so I'm guessing certain reactions to sites like these is somewhat common.

SO, I wanted to start a thread learning more about ya'll besides law school stuff since I've been on 7sage for over a year now and don't know much about anyone besides their ballpark PT score and personal statement glimpses...

Anyways, I'm 21 years old. I just graduated in the class of 2017 and I live in nyc. When I'm not studying, I like to read. I'm really into feminism and critical theory regarding gender studies and sociology. I also enjoy reading the New Yorker. I spend three days a week at the gym and I'm obsessed with skincare. Haha like essential oils and moisturizing creams. Sephora is like a sanctuary to me. I'm also a huge film junkie! I minored in film studies. I mostly love foreign films and avantgarde/experimental movies! English is my native language but I can also speak Mandarin-Chinese and have been studying/learning French alongside my LSAT studying.

Finally, if anyone would wanna respond introducing themselves (though I understand if you'd like to remain anonymous) and their interests and etc, I would really love that!!!! (3 And also tell me what your favorite movie is!! Mine is Ghost World dir. Terry Zwigoff.(/p)

I will be testing in just a few days and have to say the majority of my nerves are from not knowing what to expect during the actual test. I have a few (possibly really dumb and/or basic) questions I am hoping someone can assist me with. 1) Is the timer visible at all times (will I be able to tell if I am on a good pace)? 2. I know there is supposed to be more room to write and diagram on the test itself than in the past - is there any guidelines around how much you can or can't write on the test itself? 3. What am I allowed to bring into the room to actually take the test? 4. Any basic advice for a first time test taker in regard to the actual test environment? ..... I appreciate any advice you can offer.

Hello everyone,

I took 3 pts so far and my score have been the same (154).

In the example “All lions like to nap. Most lions like to eat meat. Therefore, some animals that like to eat meat also like to nap.”

I’m a little confused how we go from lions specifically to animals in general?

In the "Logic Games Habits for Speed and Accuracy" section J.Y. lays out a particular approach.

As you start a new LG, always put your pencil down and read the stimulus, the indented set of rules, and the acceptable situation question (ASQ). Take some seconds to absorb the information. The ASQ's answers often reveal the game board. Visualize what the game board will look like. Then, pick up your pencil. Read the stimulus again. Jot down your game board.

Is this method meant to be used in all scenarios or just for practice (FP)? It seems that reading the stimulus/rules twice would really be a time suck, but I suppose if it gives a much deeper familiarity/understanding of the passage then it could be worth it. Is this method generally well-subscribed to in practice and test conditions?

Hello everyone,

I took my first test in December and ended up scoring 8 points lower than my PTs leading up to it (164 down to a 156).I had been taking my PTs under normal testing conditions so I thought that I was prepared for the test setting. When I assessed my answers I realized that I missed some insanely easy questions in the first section. I remembered being very anxious and rushing through, which then spilled over into the next section. It turned out that I missed 80% of my questions in those two sections.

I feel like this is the only thing that is holding me back. Recently I've been scoring in the upper 160s and I want to do whatever I can to stay consistent on test day.

What do you do to start the test off calm and collected?

Thanks

Hi.

There was another post on this sometime ago, so I was wondering if there were additional thoughts. Here’s the situation:

I applied to schools on an old (not great) score. The day before Dec test, I got admitted to the PT program I was aiming for, but no $$. Given that the time and $ invested in the Dec test prep was a sunk cost and that I was confident of a significant improvement I took the Dec test (mainly to leverage for $ and to aim higher on apps). I got the Dec score back and it pushed me up 20 percentile points; based on this score improvement I asked for reconsideration at the program to which I had been admitted. They returned a scholarship offer that helped with tuition (about 30% of tuition). I just received admission to another PT program with what would be nearly 70% tuition - similar tuitions at both schools). The second school is marginally more well ranked than the first school in PT rankings and 10 spots higher in the regular rankings.

Is it reasonable and/or good practice to leverage the second school’s offer against the first school’s offer after having asked once for reconsideration for $ and been rewarded for the Dec LSAT score improvement?

Thanks,

TD

Hi all. First time posting, so if i do/say something obnoxious, please spare me.

I self studied for the lsat for about 8 months (from february till the past september) and took the september lsat. I was also stupid during this time and decided to take the june test when I wasnt prepared at all and was way overconfident in my abilities (When i took the test, my average was probably a 170, but that was a 170 average by taking only 4 section tests instead of 5 section ones, and practicing without bubbling (which can cost over a minute a section)). In the end, I also wasn't feeling so well on the test day and I got a 163. Obviously that sucks, but I totally understand the 7 point drop from my average, simply because that was a very inflated average score and i wasnt able to perform at 100%.

During my time studying, i had a bunch of ups and downs, but by the end (as in, between july and september), i was consistently scoring in the 175+ range. I had used almost all the powerscore materials, had been using 7sage stuff, and had used up basically almost all the preptests. When it came to the test though, my score ended up being a 167.

Now, i know that your score drops a few points from your average, but my average for my last 10 tests was at least a 176.

I don't know where I went wrong on the test because it was a sabbath observer test and can't see my mistakes.

If I had to guess i'd say I got a pretty good score on LR (I finished both of those sections with a couple of minutes remaining), missed a couple of points on games (the last problem was seriously hard), and I know that RC felt super super difficult and I barely understood a word of some of the passages, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that was the section that got me.

My question is this:

I want to retake to actually hit my potential (or at least get close to it) - how should i study for it again?

To be honest, It's hard to locate specific weaknesses I have, because on practice tests I've gotten even 180s before. I just want to get to the point where even on test day, that 180 practice can turn into a 180 (or even 173) on the test.

It's not that I have anxiety when i take the real test, or anything like that - which makes it harder to solve the problem**. I just want to be able to get to the point where absolutely no matter what is thrown at me, I can make sure to hit very close to my average score.**

That all being said - how should i study? Should I get a tutor? Would a tutor be able to help me (seeing that I already know the concepts really well). I need more of a study technique and study plan thatll get me to the point to translate my practice scores into real scores.

ANY and ALL help is really really appreciated.

[also, side note: I was satisfied with my score and even applied to a bunch of law schools this past october, but over time i realized i'd come to regret not reaching my potential (after all, it could save a bunch of money down the line), and i wanted to work anyway].

Hi all -

Having graduated with an Undergraduate degree (B.M.) in music performance in 2010, I am now set on applying to Law School for the 2018/19 admissions term. I obtained a Master of Music (M.M.) in 2012.

My question relates to the fact that what I feel was my success in these degrees is most evidently shown by my applied work with my instrument. For Example, my GPA was sufficient as an undergrad (though not terribly fabulous), yet I won multiple awards for performance on my instrument, including winning a state wide competition, winning a school wide concerto competition, and receiving an award only given to 1 student per year at my school for excellence in music performance. Due to my focus on my instrument, my GPA does not reflect this success. My GPA was much higher as a Master's Degree student, however.

So, I am wondering if anyone has any advice on translating these achievements to my application for law school. My goal is to show that for a music student, these achievements were as or even more important than my GPA. Not sure if that is even remotely possible, but I suppose I have to try!

Thanks very much.

Interviews can be a kind of harrowing experience for some people so I wanted to give a kind of play-by-play for folks who may be interviewing at Texas Law. It was a fairly straightforward interview.

Kira Talent (the company that many law schools outsource their interviews to) interviews go as follows: There is no interviewer. You can take the interview at any time within two weeks of registering. You can practice on the questions as many times as you'd like (the practice questions are the same for every school), but you only get one shot during the actual interview (which are different for each school). I would recommend repeating the practice questions until you get three questions in a row that you feel like you answered well. They asked three verbal questions, each of which allocated sixty seconds of prep time and ninety seconds of response time. They also asked one written question, which provided fifteen minutes of writing time within a 300 word limit.

I believe that the questions are likely switched out, but also likely recycled. Here are the questions they asked so that you can prepare:

VERBAL (paraphrased)

WRITTEN (paraphrased)

If anyone else has taken this interview and wants to contribute their questions, that would be extremely helpful!

Overall, for any interview, I would recommend coming up with thoughtful answers to the following questions:

If you're looking for more interview tips and stuff, I'd recommend this guide here, which has been super helpful for preparing me all of these interviews: https://www.collegeessayguy.com/blog/preparing-for-a-college-interview-tips-and-strategies

I can process premise and conclusion and even anticipate the answer correctly. However, some answers are just so weirdly written and I end up picking wrong answers. I know practice is a key but is there other tip you 7sagers can share with me to spot the answer?

Here is a concept which LSAT sometimes tests:

false positive/false negative

I learned this concept a couple months ago and went:

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Unlike other concepts, I don’t see it often on the LSAT, so I tend to forget about it.

But I see it again and again:

PT11.S2.Q15; PT15.S3.Q21; PT41.S3.Q17; PT45.S1.Q24; PT54.S4.Q20; PT61.S2.Q20; PT80.S1.Q10

So I'm making this post so that I can explain and understand fully!

False positive:

a result that shows something exists when it actually does not exist.

　Examples:

　・A medical test shows that someone has a disease when the person actually doesn’t.

　・A DNA test falsely shows that A’s DNA matches the DNA at a crime scene when it doesn’t actually match.

False negative:

a result that shows something does not exist when it actually exists.

　Examples:

　・A medical test shows that someone doesn't have a disease when the person actually does.

　・A DNA test falsely shows that A’s DNA does not match the DNA at a crime scene when it actually matches.

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In order for a test to be good, both the false positive rate and the false negative rate have to be low.

To sum up:

• True positive: correctly identified

• False positive: falsely identified

• True negative: correctly not identified

• False negative: falsely not identified

Actual LSAT questions:

:star: PT11.S2.Q15 Flaw

The computer security system has never incorrectly accepted someone, which means it has never committed a false positive error (falsely identified). The argument concludes that it will give access to the right people.

But what about false negative? In other words, it might not accept people who should be accepted. So this is the flaw.

:star: PT15.S3.Q21 MSS/Misc.

The EEG reading is a reasonably reliable indicator of temporal lobe epilepsy, so false positive rate is low.

But EEG test might not be able to detect abnormal electrical impulses even though the impulses are present (“false negative”). So not being identified doesn’t mean you don’t have temporal lobe epilepsy.

Let me know if there are other examples (other than the ones mentioned above)! :)

Hi,

I took my first practice test last week and received roughly a 162-3. This was my first experience with the lsat in any form. I was very pressed for time on the lg section, but I finished the others with about 13 minutes left. I missed about the same number of questions on each section. I’ve already improved signifcantly on the lg section as a result of the 7sage curriculum, but my other scores haven’t made the same jump. I have time to review those sections but it hasn’t seemed to help. Will it be possible for me to get up to a 173 by this summer?

Hi all, I just submitted my FAFSA but didn’t see a place to include 2017 tax return/income info. How can I include this information?

Also, I am struggling to understand how the FAFSA works generally. I only found some of my schools when I searched to add them. How do I get Federal aid for the others?

Hey Everyone. So I've particularly been having trouble increasing my score for LR. I'm getting -10 to -13 and I feel really hopeless. Can someone perhaps give me some tips on how they are approaching studying for LR for better results

Wrote about this on Reddit but curious as to what 7sagers have to say about parental information on law school apps as well. Why do they need to know their occupation for example. What is this even used for? Also, in the education level section I had input high school as the highest level of education because I was unsure of what to put for a parent that went to college but didn't complete (no checkboxes or options just a space to write/ felt like putting college would be dishonest and inaccurate since they did not receive a degree) I'm assuming that I did the right thing however, I'm curious as to how to address this in future apps/ how do other people approach this. Any input would be greatly appreciated.