Got Q3 wrong because i got confused between "the only" and "only". "the only" is a sufficient condition indicator, while "only" is a necessary condition indictor.
Missed 4 because I was just like wtf, looked at it after and was like OHH. Number 5 made no sense to me. How do we know which one is a group 1 or group 2; do we just use that cheat sheet?? How can I use intuition to know It's stumping me.
5/5 but I feel as if I am incapable of understanding exactly what is being asked of us, like, are supposed to find the instance where the logic as described does not apply ex. ONLY the highest flying birds nest in the summits of the andes, ergo, birds that do not nest there are not high flying?
Again, I feel as if these are very simple questions I haven't much trouble solving, but at the same time I FEEL as if I am doing them wrong
5/5. I got 2/5 on the first one... Some things that helped me... albeit slow ... is speaking out loud the difference between making the claim necessary versus sufficient; what is this claim really saying about the world? For example with #1: Is it that if an organism feels pain it is a microscopic organism? Or is it that if something is a microscopic organism it feels pain? Because those are very different claims ... and Claim 1 is much more POWERFUL than claim 2 in terms of what it says about the world...
@HiGigi because only if is in group 2 (necessary conditions), and because words after only if go in the second part of the lawgic, then you put "doing so makes good business sense after businesses do the environmentally right thing.
@MaxFoyer Ohhhh, I see. Thank you for calling that out. I was shifting based on how I was reading it instead of following the “necessary condition” rule. Thank you!
A little tripped up on "whenever" as a sufficient condition indicator. I can memorize "only when" is a necessary condition indicator and "whenever" is a sufficient condition indicator, but I am confused. Does the generalizing temporal force of "whenever" make it a sufficient condition, and does the constricting temporal force of "only when" make it a necessary condition?
@Hnelson88 I was referring to "some people" all the extra words that are often used in the stimulus that are unnecessary and used to confuse people. I've been past this section so now much to contribute
Im having the same struggle here as I had with the last one. for question 1 I put capable of feeling pain -> microscopic organism, /microscopic organism -> /capable of feeling pain.
Is my lawgic flawed?? I am genuinely unsure what is making me flip these around...
@JeffreyRamirez You need to answer the question "if I have X, then Y 100% must be had/hapenned". Since "all microscopic organisms must be capable of feeling pain", if you stumble upon a microscopic organism, then you can conclude it 100% must be capable of feeling pain (because they all have this capability).
@JeffreyRamirez Also, "all" is an indicator word for an introduction to a sufficient condition, meaning whatever it's referring to is going to be on the left side of the arrow. In this case, "all microscopic organisms" is the sufficient condition and is therefore going to be on the left side when you diagram.
I'm generally good at arithmetics so I got 5/5, but when you ask me if I understand what each phrase is saying exactly, I gotta pause for like 5 seconds to digest it... This really makes me worried....
@kazuhiro35 I recommend doing a re-watch of all the conditional logic videos up to this point. Because I felt that way too for a long time until I really drilled the concepts into my brain. When you keep repeating the concepts and explaining to yourself how the concepts work, eventually it becomes intuition. It's a slow learning curve, but you do get there with a lot of practice.
I also recommend sitting with a sentence until you do understand exactly what the sentence is saying. I honestly find it so annoying to have to have to approach it this way, but it's the only way that's getting me results. Do not look at the clock and judge yourself for how slow you may be going. The speed comes way farther down the road.
@ZealousAltruisticMode Thanks man, appreciate it :). I'm slowly getting there but if I really get stuck again I'll definitely do a re-watch of everything. Yea I also agree that ppl shouldn't be ashamed of how much time they're taking when it's still in the learning phase. I was just doing some PT questions, and I made a mistake the first try, but after staring at the explanation video for 10 minutes I got it haha. Taking hours to learn is better than being ashamed of it and giving up!
finally got 5/5!! Glad I caught the context in #4 and didn't focus too much on indicators. I'm trying to make sure locating indicators in secondary to figuring out proper context of indicator words.
Do the sufficient conditions always come first in the
A -> B? I've been treating A as always a sufficient and B always as a necessary, but these exercises are making me think that's wrong. If that is wrong, how do we know what poses as "A"?
@Raisethescore okay, so we have to go back to "The idea immediately following the indicator is the necessary condition" so that determines the placement, I think.
@Raisethescore So I just went against everything I ever learned about studying and just powered through to other sections and it actually started making more sense. It definitely helps to make a cheat sheet of the groups and their indicators and rules to have something to quickly check as you drill tho!
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Got Q3 wrong because i got confused between "the only" and "only". "the only" is a sufficient condition indicator, while "only" is a necessary condition indictor.
Missed 4 because I was just like wtf, looked at it after and was like OHH. Number 5 made no sense to me. How do we know which one is a group 1 or group 2; do we just use that cheat sheet?? How can I use intuition to know It's stumping me.
5/5 but I feel as if I am incapable of understanding exactly what is being asked of us, like, are supposed to find the instance where the logic as described does not apply ex. ONLY the highest flying birds nest in the summits of the andes, ergo, birds that do not nest there are not high flying?
Again, I feel as if these are very simple questions I haven't much trouble solving, but at the same time I FEEL as if I am doing them wrong
4/5. I messed up on q3
5/5. I got 2/5 on the first one... Some things that helped me... albeit slow ... is speaking out loud the difference between making the claim necessary versus sufficient; what is this claim really saying about the world? For example with #1: Is it that if an organism feels pain it is a microscopic organism? Or is it that if something is a microscopic organism it feels pain? Because those are very different claims ... and Claim 1 is much more POWERFUL than claim 2 in terms of what it says about the world...
Understanding the contrapositive is a lot more intuitive for me than understanding the lawgic.
For example q5 it was hard for me to identify right away that plant material mixed into garden soil --> number of beneficial bacteria increases.
However, I can more easily identify plant bacteria doesn't increase then (-->) plant material is not mixed into the soil
5/5 and quick w it:)
I really don’t understand #2.
Since it says “only if”, wouldn’t it make sense to be
the thing makes good business sense —> business does the environmentally “right” thing
I think this is where I get confused on necessary vs. sufficient
@HiGigi because only if is in group 2 (necessary conditions), and because words after only if go in the second part of the lawgic, then you put "doing so makes good business sense after businesses do the environmentally right thing.
@MaxFoyer Ohhhh, I see. Thank you for calling that out. I was shifting based on how I was reading it instead of following the “necessary condition” rule. Thank you!
4/5, accidentally used the idea of the "claim of internal consistency". Forgot my grammar lessons lol
A little tripped up on "whenever" as a sufficient condition indicator. I can memorize "only when" is a necessary condition indicator and "whenever" is a sufficient condition indicator, but I am confused. Does the generalizing temporal force of "whenever" make it a sufficient condition, and does the constricting temporal force of "only when" make it a necessary condition?
@CaseySteffen whenever == every time
Gotta remember “only if” means “provided”
the wording on number four was fucking me up, but after eliminating the word salad, it made it easier
@DezerreeSnyder
Where did you see the word ‘salad’?
@Hnelson88 I was referring to "some people" all the extra words that are often used in the stimulus that are unnecessary and used to confuse people. I've been past this section so now much to contribute
Im having the same struggle here as I had with the last one. for question 1 I put capable of feeling pain -> microscopic organism, /microscopic organism -> /capable of feeling pain.
Is my lawgic flawed?? I am genuinely unsure what is making me flip these around...
@JeffreyRamirez You need to answer the question "if I have X, then Y 100% must be had/hapenned". Since "all microscopic organisms must be capable of feeling pain", if you stumble upon a microscopic organism, then you can conclude it 100% must be capable of feeling pain (because they all have this capability).
(Have) microscopic organism (then) --> (it 100% is) capable of feeling pain.
@JeffreyRamirez Also, "all" is an indicator word for an introduction to a sufficient condition, meaning whatever it's referring to is going to be on the left side of the arrow. In this case, "all microscopic organisms" is the sufficient condition and is therefore going to be on the left side when you diagram.
I'm generally good at arithmetics so I got 5/5, but when you ask me if I understand what each phrase is saying exactly, I gotta pause for like 5 seconds to digest it... This really makes me worried....
@kazuhiro35 That's the test for you, the LSAT takes the long way to say simple things.
@kazuhiro35 I recommend doing a re-watch of all the conditional logic videos up to this point. Because I felt that way too for a long time until I really drilled the concepts into my brain. When you keep repeating the concepts and explaining to yourself how the concepts work, eventually it becomes intuition. It's a slow learning curve, but you do get there with a lot of practice.
I also recommend sitting with a sentence until you do understand exactly what the sentence is saying. I honestly find it so annoying to have to have to approach it this way, but it's the only way that's getting me results. Do not look at the clock and judge yourself for how slow you may be going. The speed comes way farther down the road.
@ZealousAltruisticMode Thanks man, appreciate it :). I'm slowly getting there but if I really get stuck again I'll definitely do a re-watch of everything. Yea I also agree that ppl shouldn't be ashamed of how much time they're taking when it's still in the learning phase. I was just doing some PT questions, and I made a mistake the first try, but after staring at the explanation video for 10 minutes I got it haha. Taking hours to learn is better than being ashamed of it and giving up!
I made flash cards to help memorize group 1-4 conditional indicators, thought I’d share in case it would be helpful to anyone else. I’m redoing this course after getting through most of it and taking the lsat and not doing as well as I hoped. Looking back I realize how important it is to know these. https://quizlet.com/1153975729/lsat-7sage-conditional-indicators-to-share-flash-cards/?i=71yhg9&x=1jqY
@Elideebeep Thank you
@SilasMcIntire of course!
test before this humbled me, finally clicking for me....for now
1/5. Losing my mind
finally got 5/5!! Glad I caught the context in #4 and didn't focus too much on indicators. I'm trying to make sure locating indicators in secondary to figuring out proper context of indicator words.
@DouglasNeumeyer yea I focused on the indicator and that caused me to go against what my internal logic was telling me to do ..
Do the sufficient conditions always come first in the
A -> B? I've been treating A as always a sufficient and B always as a necessary, but these exercises are making me think that's wrong. If that is wrong, how do we know what poses as "A"?
@JessM Yes, also not clear why I sometimes place the concepts on the wrong side. I got #3 wrong in this manner.
@Raisethescore okay, so we have to go back to "The idea immediately following the indicator is the necessary condition" so that determines the placement, I think.
@Raisethescore So I just went against everything I ever learned about studying and just powered through to other sections and it actually started making more sense. It definitely helps to make a cheat sheet of the groups and their indicators and rules to have something to quickly check as you drill tho!
is whenever a sufficient keyword for number 5?
@TaylarGottsegen Yes Group 1 sufficient indicators are:
a - all, any (+ as long as—rare indicator, but still used)
e - every
i - if
o - the only
double u (W) - when/whenever, where
@Isra Thank you!
my first 5/5, i used to pray for times like this
I got N. 4 Wrong
4/5
5/5 We getting there!!!!
I just have to remember what the indicator words are. If I have a list next to me, I always get it right.
5/5