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I finished community college with by GPA a little over a 3.8. I now have a bit over a 3.9 after a year in the university I transferred to. LSAC processed my GPA as a 3.72.
71.4 hours earned as As. 14.7 hours Bs. 3 hours C. 3 hours D.
I repeated that class I got a D in and got an A in it...signed all those forms so that the D wouldn't count against my GPA...LSAC still counts that?
I also had 4 A+s in university, I thought that LSAC bumps your GPA up with A+s?
I was thinking I would for sure have at least a 3.8 and I'd be in the 25th percentile of my top schools GPA wise and definitely be able to get merit scholarships if I did well on the LSAT. I'm actually not even in the 50th percentile (3.74 at UCLA).
I really regret going to community college, I was told even by school counselors that law schools don't even look at your community college GPA, I had no idea that D would effect my life.
*Should I rethink the schools that I apply to? Should I not even apply this year and stay a 5th year to finish my double major and get my GPA up?*
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> @xlvovska162 said:
> > @xlvovska162 said:
> > Yeah - the whole situation sucks. But like others have mentioned 1) Many people end up getting screwed by CC classes. (I got a B that will forever haunt me because I was told something similar by counselors) So you aren't alone, 2) A 3.72 is still a great GPA and I don't think you are going to be an auto-reject from anywhere you apply. So don't let it change where you apply. Let it be motivation to kill the LSAT, because at the end of the day, it counts for more anyway.
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> > Go to MyLSN.info and type in 3.72 with your target LSAT score and you'll see that you still have a shot at Harvard on down to UCLA. @74503 said:
> > Should I not even apply this year and stay a 5th year to finish my double major and get my GPA up?*
> >
> > The LSAT is* more important? I always thought it was 50/50
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Nope. LSAT undoubtedly counts for more than GPA. The reason is that there are a ton of applicants with high GPAs whereas high LSATs are far more rare. Furthermore, there are so many different undergrad majors that law schools treat the LSAT as a stronger indictor of how you're likely to perform.
Still, GPA is super important! All else equal though LSAT seems to be weighted much more.
> @xlvovska162 said:
> > @xlvovska162 said:
> > Yeah - the whole situation sucks. But like others have mentioned 1) Many people end up getting screwed by CC classes. (I got a B that will forever haunt me because I was told something similar by counselors) So you aren't alone, 2) A 3.72 is still a great GPA and I don't think you are going to be an auto-reject from anywhere you apply. So don't let it change where you apply. Let it be motivation to kill the LSAT, because at the end of the day, it counts for more anyway.
> >
> > Go to MyLSN.info and type in 3.72 with your target LSAT score and you'll see that you still have a shot at Harvard on down to UCLA. @74503 said:
> > Should I not even apply this year and stay a 5th year to finish my double major and get my GPA up?*
> >
> > The LSAT sis more important? I always thought it was 50/50
>
> the LSAT is*
> @xlvovska162 said:
> Yeah - the whole situation sucks. But like others have mentioned 1) Many people end up getting screwed by CC classes. (I got a B that will forever haunt me because I was told something similar by counselors) So you aren't alone, 2) A 3.72 is still a great GPA and I don't think you are going to be an auto-reject from anywhere you apply. So don't let it change where you apply. Let it be motivation to kill the LSAT, because at the end of the day, it counts for more anyway.
>
> Go to MyLSN.info and type in 3.72 with your target LSAT score and you'll see that you still have a shot at Harvard on down to UCLA. @74503 said:
> Should I not even apply this year and stay a 5th year to finish my double major and get my GPA up?*
>
> The LSAT sis more important? I always thought it was 50/50
I once had a GPA of around 3.7 in CC and 3.4 in university. I had a few failing grades in CC because I was pursuing a different major at the time. Now this is going to haunt me. What a great day to wake up to.
The LSAT grade system is certainly a little messed up.
But any classes at undergraduate institutions before your first bachelor's degree is awarded count including classes taken at a community college and those taken during high school, A+'s count as a 4.33(https://www.lsac.org/jd/help/faqs-cas), and failed classes count.
> @36829 said:
> Question on this, if you have a masters do they take the GPA of just your undergrad or do they take your masters into account as well?
No, grad school grades do not count toward your GPA. Only undergraduate up until your first bachelor’s is achieved. I think you still have to turn in transcripts, but it wouldn’t be included in your GPA calculation.
Question on this, if you have a masters do they take the GPA of just your undergrad or do they take your masters into account as well?
Do withdraws count against you?
;) my entire 250 is about that, haha.
Here it is!
Nah, just make sure they know you're B. O'Drama and you'll be fine!
*Packs up bag and moves to Canada*
This is the way it should be here too... Too bad it is basically the exact opposite.
True.
pretty sure that's a given haha :)
Our rankings are not like the Americans though. You can be successful graduating from any Canadian law school and tuition doesn't range as much here based on the school (U of T is the anamoly)! Plus, the rankings are subjective since it depends on the type of law you're interested in and every school offers something unique and has its concentrations.
i'm Canadian-- we don't have tiered schools here
We do though!
This is so interesting. I just realized that I don't know much about the Canadian law school system at all... I need to learn about it!
i don't think we have a school that requires a 4.0
Haha Canada's law school system seems to make much more sense. Anyways, no, Yale doesn't "require" a 4.0, but it would help a LOT. lol
We do though!
http://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Canadian-Law-schools.jpg
yale expects a 4.0? wow. intense. i'm Canadian-- we don't have tiered schools here
i don't think we have a school that requires a 4.0
Haha thanks! When I found out in May after I got my CAS and sent my transcripts in I was in denial for a few weeks. Now I've come to terms with it... Goodbye Yale, lol.
haha 3.9 is solid but i understand that it doesn't have the same wow effect as 4.0. STILL. it's a 3.9 so congrats and be proud!
Mine went from a 4.0 to a 3.92. It doesn't seem like a big deal... but I was heartbroken :(
I repeated that class I got a D in and got an A in it...signed all those forms so that the D wouldn't count against my GPA...LSAC still counts that?
yes
also,
I really regret going to community college, I was told even by school counselors that law schools don't even look at your community college GPA, I had no idea that D would effect my life.
was it a pre law advisor at your school? yeah, they tend to not really know what they're talking about.
@dantlee14842 I know someone who went to Williams who also screwed their GPA up with that weird system. Sorry to hear that.
I think that most admissions officers are familiar with Williams though and would probably not look down on you because of it. Williams is a great school and any law school will recognize that.
sorry to hear that man...
On an unrelated note/rant, Williams College (my alma mater) applicants got screwed with their LSAC GPA's this year... we have a January term in which students are encouraged to take "classes" that go outside their major or general area of study. They can range in anything from beer brewing (classified as a Chem course) to building your own desktop computer (CSCI); it's extremely liberal artsy, and very few people or profs take J-term seriously. The courses, however, are technically graded on a "High Pass, Pass, Perfunctory Pass" (HP, P, PP) scale, even though they're functionally graded on a Pass/Fail scale (I can think of extremely few cases of students receiving a HP or PP).
Lo and behold, this year LSAC decided to start converting those J-term grades and counting it against your GPA for the first time - grading a Pass (the standard grade that everyone receives) as a B, or a 3.0. Suddenly, every Williams applicant had 4 extra B grades on their transcripts, bringing down their GPA's a fair amount in the majority of cases, myself included. Our registrar tried to explain to LSAC that Williams doesn't really use the HP/P/PP scale for J-term, and to count them as A/B/C grades would be an unfair and inaccurate reflection of students' coursework, but to no avail. Now I feel even more pressure to hit the LSAT out of the park this Saturday, which is probably the exact wrong attitude to have going into the test.
TL;DR: LSAC sucks. And their method of calculating GPAs also sucks.